NY-Long Island-4 bodies on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #2

[scandi]

Browsing through utopiaguide...One person wrote:

"It's funny that you mention about being stopped. Everyone speeds on Ocean pkwy, and many, many people get stopped. I would assume that this "guy" (yes absolutely), is from the area, knows ocean parkway, has been stopped there before, and the cops already have their eye on him."

Locals, do you all believe this as well? The killer had to make plenty of trips there...so, it's possible he may have been stopped before.

I think it is a good premise to start with. Also, a second nail in the board for LE possibly being involved, right? When you look at the odds it is incredible, taking your info about many people being stopped on that hwy, the first body found by an officer, then 3 more found by the same officer.

I'd have to go back and see just how many bodies he found but reading the link about it I thought it was a weak statement he made. I'll go try to find that link.


PS: This officer had the dog named Blue, right? He might not be a patrol officer. Don't know.

 

[chemcopout]

My goodness, sakes alive, this case is like it just walked off the TV screen. Amazing, eh?

Now we have the intrigue of 2 men messing around with a trailer having almost light to see what they are doing, under possible shades of doing no good, and I can imagine this upper crust prostitute thinking she sees a dead body or SS being lifted in or out of that trailer, well of course she would go basurk and not want to leave the house. One could conjur up all kinds of possibilities even working within the paramaters that we have with knowledge in this case. She ran from JT's screaming they're going to kill me.

Could it be one SK with an accomplice? I saw a Criminal Minds show like that - couple of them actually.

i was actually pondering if there would be an sk with an accomplice (anything's possible and it wouldn't be the first time).

the whole thing of sg calling 911 supposedly from jb's.
then jb calling her driver since she wouldn't leave.
then shannon running from the house.

all sorts of distorted different media versions of this.

do we know if sg's pimp hired different drivers or always the same ones?
what if say you have and sk, who "works" with the girls' drivers, pays them off big bucks and the girls just "disappear"?

i know this is a crazy theory...

 

[goathairjones]

internetgirl,

No, I do not agree with this at all. I drove Ocean Parkway to and from work for 6 years and I was never once stopped even though I was ALWAYS speeding! There is absolutely no police presence down there! It's no-mans land. NY State is supposed to patrol the highway but rely on the counties to do it. Suffolk County PD is NEVER out there. I doubt the cops already have an eye on him.

 

[scandi]

i'm looking for it right now, it's been hard to find the past week. i have found another article in which a neighbor talks to brewer about the bodies:

"A neighbor who spotted Brewer Tuesday recalled commenting about bodies being "dumped" at Oak Beach.

"He [Brewer] just shrugged his shoulders and didn't say anything," said the neighbor, who declined to be identified."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/serial_slay_house_raid_icUSVNRrW8naxbU8gaK5AJ#ixzz1Impog1pH

kind of odd for jb to make no comment especially since a missing girl ran from his house. he didn't even make small talk or say it's horrible...

scandi, this is the important thing; awhile ago you actually posted the link yourself on here and now the link is "not found' (regarding the late night jb & friend uhaul incident)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c...#ixzz1IhilP3J8

LOL For once I did something right! I saved that link to a bookmark:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/12/15/2010-12-15_seeking_clues_in_beach_slayings_cops_swarm_long_island_house_where_hooker_shanno.html#ixzz1FmVeKvm5

BRB with the Snippet:

"It's unclear if police hunting for a possible serial killer consider the man Gilbert visited a suspect. A resident of the beachfront community described him as an oddball.

"That guy always gave me the creeps," the neighbor said.

"One night about two months ago, he parked a U-Haul van on the side of the house. It was the strangest thing," the neighbor added.

"He and another man were packing the truck up in the dark. They moved real fast. It took about fifteen minutes. They didn't turn any lights on except one little light. That was the last time I saw him."

The man declined comment when reached by phone yesterday, and his family said they knew nothing about the case."

That link is a real 'Keeper', eh?

 

[svpernin]

i was actually pondering if there would be an sk with an accomplice (anything's possible and it wouldn't be the first time).

the whole thing of sg calling 911 supposedly from jb's.
then jb calling her driver since she wouldn't leave.
then shannon running from the house.

all sorts of distorted different media versions of this.

do we know if sg's pimp hired different drivers or always the same ones?
what if say you have and sk, who "works" with the girls' drivers, pays them off big bucks and the girls just "disappear"?

i know this is a crazy theory...

It's not that crazy, chem, everyone has their price tag and I'm sure there is not a whole lot of honor among the players in that business. I wouldn't be shocked if something like that was going on but I don't think the other girls had drivers, necessarily. I'm pretty sure Megan Waterman took a cab from the hotel she was staying in.

 

[goathairjones]

epiphany,

I have a theory that it could be someone in LE. I really can't get into it now. I am doing some digging to see if I can find out any more information on this person before I make a final conclusion. It is a real long-shot but you never know.

 

[Chanler]

First of all, I think that the idea of tracing the poor victims on those websites is a good idea. If nothing else, this might establish some sort of MO for the killer.

I think that the identification of the newly discovered murdered women might provide some valuable information on the killing and murdering habits of this depraved monster.

To me, it's quite possible that the Atlantic City bodies are connected to these even though none of those victims were buried in burlap. It's possible that the killer thought that his New Jersey burial ground was discovered because the remains were not in wrappings. In a sense, his strategy worked: The Long Island killing fields have been growing for years and might have remained unknown in Shannan's disappearance hadn't raised such red flags.

 

[chemcopout]

You know, this story is crazy on all sorts of levels, but Shannon's story is just off the charts. She takes an outcall from CL to a home in a gated community, yet runs screaming to a neighbor's home and then into the weeds on the beach - where LE latter starts - and possibly has not stopped - finding dead bodies wrapped in burlap from what appears to be a serial killer. None of these bodies are SG, however. LE immediately clears the John that SG visited that night. The John has moved to another location... (family apparently owns several), and is possibly "back on the radar per Nancy Grace". Good grief!! I don't think you could write this stuff.... but if you did - you would have had SG stumble into the chamber where the other victims were held at the home of the John. That would explain her running hysterically from the home. She allegedly called from the home of the John that hired her (JB), so why have we not heard those 911 calls??? What did she tell LE when she first called?

all of this is so true, it's weirder than fiction. at one point i had accessed a newsday article in which the gilbert family were interviewed and had mentioned that le had told them that shannon had named who she thought her attacker was in the 911 call, so that they hoped le would solve the case.

later on it turned into the least le can do is solve the case since the horrible response time. and a cya article that stated they couldn't trace the call.

now it i know sg thought she was at jones beach for whatever reason (maybe that's where her pimp told her the client was at and we know she had a driver). regardless, le should have been able to ping her cell phone.
if she had called from jb's house did she use a house phone?

we had a car accident locally here and the only way they could find the victim was ping the phone since they were in a ravine.

then we have all these various accounts (some of which have been removed from the paper) of that night.

if le has so thoroughly investigated jb, then how come sg's sisters were the ones to find her earring in the road?

it's very possible, as reannan mentions that maybe sg saw something that obviously really scared her...

 

[carbuff]

Hi, I just wanted to clarify that the pimp/driver {same man} was also her BF. I read that in the December articles.

No. They aren't the same man. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/12/boyfriend_and_the_driver_of_sh.html

Gilbert's live-in boyfriend at the time, Alex Diaz, 28, of Jersey City, said he last saw her on April 30.

"I was waiting and waiting (for Gilbert to come home)," Diaz said today. "After two days I thought she was not coming back."

Thinking that Gilbert had left him, Diaz, who now lives with his father on Duncan Avenue, said he called Gilbert's sister to see if she had returned home to her parents' home in Ellensville, N.Y.

Diaz said he also reached out to the driver, which is when the driver learned that Gilbert had never returned home.


I'm not clear on which one is the pimp, however. She may have worked for an escort service, in which case the driver might be just a driver.

 

[chemcopout]

I thought the Asian man driving around looking for her was the driver who said he did just that. We don't even have the name of the driver, do we?

I think the "party" at the man's house was a party for two people. When it was over he wanted her out of his house but she wouldn't leave.

this is the weird thing, we have the asian driver claiming he ran after sg. well did he mean he ran after her or drove after her? obviously something happened during the time sg ran out of jbs house. in that short time the driver and jb had to have said something.

the driver requested he not be named, so he hasn't been. this alone is very odd, as jb has been named. maybe the driver is a witness and they are trying to protect him by not naming him..idk..

jb hired her, being that he had seen how upset sg was, it's obvious she was really panicking. you'd think he would have let her stay at his house if the case is true that she was calling 911 from there and afraid to leave.

if i were a guy and i hired a call girl, and she was scared to death to leave my house claiming people were after her, surely i would let her stay and call police for her or at least try to "talk her down" to de-escalate the situation. in this case, sg was for real about someone being after her. maybe she was confused was it jb or the driver or both?

to let a girl claiming she's being chased by someone who wants to kill her leave your house is kind of immoral. so if she leaves and gets killed, does jb have a guilty conscience?

 

[scandi]

i was actually pondering if there would be an sk with an accomplice (anything's possible and it wouldn't be the first time).

the whole thing of sg calling 911 supposedly from jb's.
then jb calling her driver since she wouldn't leave.
then shannon running from the house.

all sorts of distorted different media versions of this.

do we know if sg's pimp hired different drivers or always the same ones?
what if say you have and sk, who "works" with the girls' drivers, pays them off big bucks and the girls just "disappear"?

i know this is a crazy theory...

I know I read from Dec's articles that SG's driver and pimp were the same man. And that guy was also her BF.

If I am wrong about that and info has changed would someone please post that. That would mean the Asian guy was her pimp, driver and BF, right?

PSS: I think I also read the BF had been cleared {or wasn't a POI}, so that is probably why his name isn't out there, to protect his privacy. IMO

 

[carbuff]

I think it is a good premise to start with. Also, a second nail in the board for LE possibly being involved, right? When you look at the odds it is incredible, taking your info about many people being stopped on that hwy, the first body found by an officer, then 3 more found by the same officer.

I'd have to go back and see just how many bodies he found but reading the link about it I thought it was a weak statement he made. I'll go try to find that link.


PS: This officer had the dog named Blue, right? He might not be a patrol officer. Don't know.

So not talking about specific individuals here, but in theory:

Shannon is calling for help on her cell phone.

LE sends people out to find her.

The officers answering the call say they can't find her. But what if one of them did find her? And that's the killer? Kills her, disposes of her quickly, and says, "She's not here"?

 

[carbuff]

I know I read from Dec's articles that SG's driver and pimp were the same man. And that guy was also her BF.

If I am wrong about that and info has changed would someone please post that. That would mean the Asian guy was her pimp, driver and BF, right?

Gilbert's live-in boyfriend at the time, Alex Diaz, 28, of Jersey City, said he last saw her on April 30.

"I was waiting and waiting (for Gilbert to come home)," Diaz said today. "After two days I thought she was not coming back."

Thinking that Gilbert had left him, Diaz, who now lives with his father on Duncan Avenue, said he called Gilbert's sister to see if she had returned home to her parents' home in Ellensville, N.Y.

Diaz said he also reached out to the driver, which is when the driver learned that Gilbert had never returned home.



http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/12/boyfriend_and_the_driver_of_sh.html

 

[carbuff]

this is the weird thing, we have the asian driver claiming he ran after sg. well did he mean he ran after her or drove after her? obviously something happened during the time sg ran out of jbs house. in that short time the driver and jb had to have said something.

the driver requested he not be named, so he hasn't been. this alone is very odd, as jb has been named. maybe the driver is a witness and they are trying to protect him by not naming him..idk..

jb hired her, being that he had seen how upset sg was, it's obvious she was really panicking. you'd think he would have let her stay at his house if the case is true that she was calling 911 from there and afraid to leave.

if i were a guy and i hired a call girl, and she was scared to death to leave my house claiming people were after her, surely i would let her stay and call police for her or at least try to "talk her down" to de-escalate the situation. in this case, sg was for real about someone being after her. maybe she was confused was it jb or the driver or both?

to let a girl claiming she's being chased by someone who wants to kill her leave your house is kind of immoral. so if she leaves and gets killed, does jb have a guilty conscience?

JB sounds like a rather coldhearted four-letter man, but it appears he did let her use his phone to make the first 911 call.

 

[katydid23]

I know I read from Dec's articles that SG's driver and pimp were the same man. And that guy was also her BF.

If I am wrong about that and info has changed would someone please post that. That would mean the Asian guy was her pimp, driver and BF, right?

PSS: I think I also read the BF had been cleared {or wasn't a POI}, so that is probably why his name isn't out there, to protect his privacy. IMO

INCORRECT. Look upthread a couple of posts.


SEE BELOW;
Gilbert's live-in boyfriend at the time, Alex Diaz, 28, of Jersey City, said he last saw her on April 30.

"I was waiting and waiting (for Gilbert to come home)," Diaz said today. "After two days I thought she was not coming back."

Thinking that Gilbert had left him, Diaz, who now lives with his father on Duncan Avenue, said he called Gilbert's sister to see if she had returned home to her parents' home in Ellensville, N.Y.

Diaz said he also reached out to the driver, which is when the driver learned that Gilbert had never returned home.



http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2...ver_of_sh.html

 

[Chanler]

I know I read from Dec's articles that SG's driver and pimp were the same man. And that guy was also her BF.

If I am wrong about that and info has changed would someone please post that. That would mean the Asian guy was her pimp, driver and BF, right?

Hi, Scandi, always good to your posts. Forgive my naivete, but why did these young women really need pimps? I thought that young women who got jobs online often worked as independent agents.

 

[scandi]

epiphany,

I have a theory that it could be someone in LE. I really can't get into it now. I am doing some digging to see if I can find out any more information on this person before I make a final conclusion. It is a real long-shot but you never know.

I'll be anxious to see what you learn or come up with. ;}

 

[scandi]

Hi, Scandi, always good to your posts. Forgive my naivete, but why did these young women really need pimps? I thought that young women who got jobs online often worked as independent agents.

Hi Chandler, Great to see you too. I just think it is the professional way to do business with high end prostitutes/escorts.

Gotta run to get my toes done, see ya tonight xox

 

[tfrohning]

Sorry if already posted
NY search resumes; 8 bodies found so far
snip
A sister of one of the dead women found in December sneaked onto a media bus Wednesday before being found out and removed from the scene. She told reporters she wanted to see where her sister was found.

http://online.wsj.com/article/APacbddcdbdaed4412b86503fb6a101aa5.html

 

[tfrohning]

Gilgo search to extend into Nassau
Originally published: April 6, 2011 3:49 PM

snip
The search for clues is headed to Nassau County.

Nassau police Det. Lt. Kevin Smith said that his office will coordinate with state and Suffolk County police to "further explore and investigate any criminal activity which may be in close proximity to the recently discovered human remains found in Suffolk."

http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/gilgo-search-to-extend-into-nassau-1.2803585