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:mad:Thank you Bit and Badcrumble (I like that it sounds like an old brand if cookies ha!) for keeping this thread moving.!!!


Oh geeeze even the link Error that I put on Sharon’s page no longer works! :mad: At least I did copy and paste it to her thread. I also think I found a newspaper article someplace (before I had found this thread) and posted the info on the midtown Jane doe thread someplace. Anyhoo I have to find it and bring it here too


Now the reason I was looking for the Harlem boiler lady is because I came across a woman missing from Harlem I had not seen before. I will post here.
 
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)


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Missing Person / NamUs #MP40056 Sandra Jean Cunningham, Female, Black / African American
Date of Last Contact August 11, 1977
Missing FromNew York, New York



Circumstances of Disappearance

Sandra had just returned from a modeling assignment in Panama. She had left all her luggage in her apartment and was going to an agency for a modeling booking.

Sandra was an RN at Harlem Hospital in Manhattan and a model for ABC sports. None of her credit cards or bank accounts were ever touched by strangers.

ok now I can’t find her thread. This is so odd, I can’t find things when I search here ugh. Frustrating .. I’ll come back to this later. Anyway I thought I would post her. I believe she lived some where in Harlem how close to this building I don’t knowing. And don’t know where the ABCSports Modeling place is located either. Anyway here’s is another lady missing from the vicinity .
 
madamx said:
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)


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MISSING
Missing Person / NamUs #MP40056 Sandra Jean Cunningham, Female, Black / African American
Date of Last Contact August 11, 1977
Missing FromNew York, New York



Circumstances of Disappearance

Sandra had just returned from a modeling assignment in Panama. She had left all her luggage in her apartment and was going to an agency for a modeling booking.

Sandra was an RN at Harlem Hospital in Manhattan and a model for ABC sports. None of her credit cards or bank accounts were ever touched by strangers.

ok now I can’t find her thread. This is so odd, I can’t find things when I search here ugh. Frustrating .. I’ll come back to this later. Anyway I thought I would post her. I believe she lived some where in Harlem how close to this building I don’t knowing. And don’t know where the ABCSports Modeling place is located either. Anyway here’s is another lady missing from the vicinity .
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Sorry, had to struggle against an ad that wanted me to buy a bed....whhahah I will look into this tomorrow.
 
ok I just copied the info that I copied and pasted to Sharon’s page. The link no longer works but at least the info was saved.


Date found
July 24, 1989

Age
18 to 25 years old
Sex
Female
Race
Unsure
Ethnicity
Unsure


Circumstances

Skeletal remains were found by demolition crew inside a boiler that was being removed from its foundation. Remains are highly fragmentary and show signs of dismemberment. Anthropological analysis suggests the remains are likely to be female. Ancestry could not be determined.

Location Found

Address 1
143 West 142nd Street
Address 2
Btwn Lenox and 7th Avenue

City
New York
County
New York
State
New York

Body condition
Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only
Post-mortem interval
Not specified

Estimated age
Adult - Pre 20

Weight
null lbs
Height
null inches
 
madamx said:
Oh geeeze even the link Error that I put on Sharon’s page no longer works! :mad:
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Unfortunately, it's not been saved via Wayback Machine :/ Good thing you cp'ed it from the page!
madamx said:
I also think I found a newspaper article someplace (before I had found this thread) and posted the info on the midtown Jane doe thread someplace. Anyhoo I have to find it and bring it here too
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I couldn't find a specific newspaper post, but a few posts about our Boiler Lady from here.

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ETA: Is there anyway of knowing when the boiler was installed?
 
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Hey Hey Badcrumble I got this it’s the best I could find on the boiler..

Below is the only thing I could find on the building work. I posted the link also.

Looks like an application went in for new boiler /oil burner in 1965 so that means the thing was installed not too long after.
Then there is a boiler violation But there is No date.

I think the building has been shady for a long time. Look at how many complaints for unsafe building pop up and the years.

Now my Question
Ok here’s another thing. If the boiler is working like cremations, then what is left is fragments.
But how many times do they have to burn until they become really tiny Fragments?

I wonder how large the pieces were that were found.?
( I know when my dog (she was a German shep) was cremated I saw her when they opened the oven. Her bones were all there in tact. To give you a visual it looked like those images you see of a dead animal in the desert all the bones were white, but still in the shape. Even her skull was perfect. Then the guy took them and ground them.

Now it makes me wonder if the remains were in there not too long from the discovery date. Because Iam assuming the longer they are in there the more they burn down to fragments. Ok so I guess my question would be sooo how big were these pieces:D… then maybe we can get some sort of time frame.





NYC Department of Buildings
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Premises: 143 WEST 142 STREET MANHATTAN BIN: 1060106 Block: 2011 Lot: 14
NUMBER TYPE FILE DATE

ALT 682-88 ALTERATION 06/09/1988

BN 690-26 BUILDING NOTICE 00/00/1926

BN 2555-36 BUILDING NOTICE 00/00/1936

BN 282-67 BUILDING NOTICE 00/00/1967

CO 097759 (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 01/28/1991

CO 098163.TEMP AMEND (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 04/03/1991

CO 098290 (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 04/26/1991

CO 098420 (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 05/14/1991

CO 098975 (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 08/15/1991

CO 105182 (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 06/02/1994

COM 8597-44 COMPLAINTS 00/00/1944

FO 752-65 OIL BURNER APPLICATION 00/00/1965

MISC 1896-88 MISCELLANEOUS 09/27/1988

NB 1230-00* NEW BUILDING 00/00/1900

PRS 1921-58 PLUMBING REPAIR SLIP 00/00/1958

PRS 689-76 PLUMBING REPAIR SLIP 00/00/1976

SPR 1896-88 SPRINKLERS 06/09/1988

SR 4848-37 SPECIAL REPORT 00/00/1937

UB #11780 UNSAFE BUILDING 00/00/0000

UB 1244-18* UNSAFE BUILDING 00/00/1918

UB 315-22* UNSAFE BUILDING 00/00/1922

V* 3472-74BOILER DOB VIOLATION - DISMISSED 00/00/0000

V* 031893LL629104370 DOB VIOLATION - DISMISSED 03/18/1993

V* 031894LL629104370 DOB VIOLATION - DISMISSED 03/18/1994

V* 082995LL629103197 DOB VIOLATION - DISMISSED 08/29/1995



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madamx said:
Ok below is the only thing I could find on the building work. I posted the link also.
Looks like an application went in for new boiler /oil burner in 1965 so that means the thing was installed not too long after.
Then there is a boiler violation But there is No date.

I think the building has been shady for a long time. Look at how many complaints for unsafe building pop up and the years.

Ok here’s another thing. If the boiler is working like cremations, what is left is fragments.
But how many times do they have to burn until they become really tiny pieces?.
I wonder how large the pieces were that were found.?

( I know when my dog (she was a German shep) cremated I saw her when they opened the oven. Her bones were all there in tact. To give you a visual it looked like those images you see of a dead animal in the desert all the bones were white, but still in the shape. Even her skull was perfect. Then the guy took them and ground them.

Now it makes me wonder if the remains were in there not too long from the discovery date. Because Iam assuming the longer they are in there the more they burn down to fragments. Ok so I guess my question would be sooo how big were these pieces:D





NYC Department of Buildings
Actions
Page: 1
Premises: 143 WEST 142 STREET MANHATTAN BIN: 1060106 Block: 2011 Lot: 14
NUMBER TYPE FILE DATE

ALT 682-88 ALTERATION 06/09/1988

BN 690-26 BUILDING NOTICE 00/00/1926

BN 2555-36 BUILDING NOTICE 00/00/1936

BN 282-67 BUILDING NOTICE 00/00/1967

CO 097759 (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 01/28/1991

CO 098163.TEMP AMEND (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 04/03/1991

CO 098290 (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 04/26/1991

CO 098420 (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 05/14/1991

CO 098975 (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 08/15/1991

CO 105182 (PDF) CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY 06/02/1994

COM 8597-44 COMPLAINTS 00/00/1944

FO 752-65 OIL BURNER APPLICATION 00/00/1965

MISC 1896-88 MISCELLANEOUS 09/27/1988

NB 1230-00* NEW BUILDING 00/00/1900

PRS 1921-58 PLUMBING REPAIR SLIP 00/00/1958

PRS 689-76 PLUMBING REPAIR SLIP 00/00/1976

SPR 1896-88 SPRINKLERS 06/09/1988

SR 4848-37 SPECIAL REPORT 00/00/1937

UB #11780 UNSAFE BUILDING 00/00/0000

UB 1244-18* UNSAFE BUILDING 00/00/1918

UB 315-22* UNSAFE BUILDING 00/00/1922

V* 3472-74BOILER DOB VIOLATION - DISMISSED 00/00/0000

V* 031893LL629104370 DOB VIOLATION - DISMISSED 03/18/1993

V* 031894LL629104370 DOB VIOLATION - DISMISSED 03/18/1994

V* 082995LL629103197 DOB VIOLATION - DISMISSED 08/29/1995



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Wow!

This is an article about how easy it is to burn a body. In particular it's about the Natalie Holloway case, but is can be applied to other cases.

DPG Media Privacy Gate

Crematoria in the Netherlands use a preheated steel incinerator to burn a body, with temperatures that can rise to more than 1100°C. A modern cremator takes an hour on average to process a mortal remains. However, a wood fire is also sufficient to burn a skull.

According to forensic pathologist Frank van de Goot, it is not difficult to make a body disappear: "Burning bones is no problem at all. I once showed that on a television program. We had completely pulverized a cow's leg in two hours. A normal wood fire with a core temperature of about 800 to 900 degrees is enough. But the structure will remain intact. So you will always need an extra force to turn it into powder. So you have to stand on it for a while or something. Then he's gone."

The Netherlands Forensic Institute (NFI) confirms Van de Goot's reading. “It is quite possible to burn a skull yourself. Our forensic anthropologist says it takes about an hour to be burned at the stake. If there are fire-accelerating agents, even faster," said spokeswoman Eef Herregodts.

This confirms your story Madamx. Sorry for your dog btw.
 
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Bit of hope said:
Thx Madamx. So the buildings were established in 1910. For now not much of a help. What are our thoughts about how long the remains were there, before found in 1989.

Sandra is an interesting find.
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Yes Bit that is the same question Iam trying to figure out.
I did notice that there was something that they were issuing permits or something for fencing around the building in 1988 and there was some other stuff going on in 1988. Sprinklers were added. So it looks like in 1988 I think they were getting the building vacant to start to work on it to have it become one of the city owned properties . They pull out the Certificate if Occupancy is when they are changing original things to the building and those were being taken out by 1991.


I wonder if anyone from the actual building went missing:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
madamx said:
Yes Bit that is the same question Iam trying to figure out.
I did notice that there was something that they were issuing permits or something for fencing around the building in 1988 and there was some other stuff going on in 1988. Sprinklers were added. So it looks like in 1988 I think they were getting the building vacant to start to work on it to have it become one of the city owned properties . They pull out the Certificate if Occupancy is when they are changing original things to the building and those were being taken out by 1991.


I wonder if anyone from the actual building went missing:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
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Tried to find something about the building activity in 1988 and the owner and occupants. I think its find-able, but after a paywall. The property was last sold in 5/9/1991, probably explaining the certificates? Not sure how that works.
143 W 142nd St, New York - Owner Information, Sales, Taxes
 
Bit of hope said:
Tried to find something about the building activity in 1988 and the owner and occupants. I think its find-able, but after a paywall. The property was last sold in 5/9/1991, probably explaining the certificates? Not sure how that works.
143 W 142nd St, New York - Owner Information, Sales, Taxes
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Oh good find. Yes your right that explains the certificates. It also says the building name is The Fredrick Samuel City. I wonder if there is anything under that name.
 
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madamx said:
How weird is that it says that 145 it has 16 units 4 stories and it was built in 1925 BUT 143 says it has 10 units 4 stories built in 1901. Something is off they are both identical buildings. I just looked on google street view.


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Yes, that is most certainly weird, because on the google picture of #143 it's written above the door. And above two other entrances on both sides. One of them can be #145 but it looks to be the same building.

Maybe this explains it? Inside the city's worst NYCHA site filled with 'rat holes'

The Samuel Apartments are in such dire shape that the housing authority will have to shell out $286 million over the next nine years to bring them up to code — or an average of $431,000 for each of the 664 units in the complex’s 40 low-rise buildings, the data show.

The Samuel Apartments, which opened in 1993, were developed from century-old buildings that fell into foreclosure in the 1970s.

Taylor’s unit, for example, is in a 1910 building that once had a servants room, blueprints show.

The buildings were “gut-reconstructed” into affordable housing as part of a Mayor Ed Koch-era program, according to city Board of Estimate documents from 1989.
 
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ooooh ok so i found this article and explains a bit more. Ok so the buildings fell into foreclosure in the 1970s. So that means they were definitely not being taken care of and
Then by 1989 they were made into affordable housing and the city took them over.

So we would need to find out when people stopped living in it and they stopped using the boiler for heat and hot water.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/18/the-c...is-filled-with-rat-holes-toilet-problems/amp/
The city’s worst NYCHA site is filled with ‘rat holes,’ ‘toilet problems’


The Samuel Apartments, which opened in 1993, were developed from century-old buildings that fell into foreclosure in the 1970s.

Taylor’s unit, for example, is in a 1910 building that once had a servants room, blueprints show.

The buildings were “gut-reconstructed” into affordable housing as part of a Mayor Ed Koch-era program, according to city Board of Estimate documents from 1989
 
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Bit of hope said:
Yes, that is most certainly weird, because on the google picture of #143 it's written above the door. And above two other entrances on both sides. One of them can be #145 but it looks to be the same building.
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Yes 145 is right next door to 143 and they both have same blue signs. Iam thinking whoever wrote the reality listing got it wrong because they were not paying attention and nobody caught the mistake .
 
OMg BitofHope i realized we both posted the same article at the same time hahaha
 
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