NY - Officer Daniel Pantaleo used deadly chokehold on Eric Garner, Staten Island, July 2014

[al66pine]

I just watched the arrest video again. I am wondering if SG was agitated and resisting because at that moment, he was not selling loose cigs. He had just broken up a fight IIRC and he seemed frustrated that he was being accused of something he wasn't doing at that moment. IMO ....

bbm sbm

I know the posts says, IIRC, but link, pls, from anyone?

A couple posts on thread said man recording incident said MrG was breaking up a fight (not that MrG himself said he had done that).
I'm not taking as gospel truth the word of man recording or MrG. Or LEOs there, for that matter.

Equal opportunity skeptic/doubter.

However, FWIW, MSM reports that MrG had past arrest for providing false name/ID to LE,
in addition to 30+other arrests., for selling untaxed ciggies, driving w/out license or on suspended license, and some phys. violence chg IIRC.

A man who provided false info re his name to LE has a more-than-questionable capacity & reputation for truthfulness, at best imo.
If there is info & doc re that arresting LEO entering false info in his LE report about that arrest,
I'll say the same about his rep for truthfulness: sketchy or worse.
JM2cts.

 

[Charlie09]

Also wanted to address the other part of your post about the varied ethnicities of both Mr Garner and those responsible for his death: I mentioned what I did because a poster asked why Mr Garner's case is getting so much attention, and not the other, irrelevant one that was mentioned. And my response was that I think we all already know why, because Mr Garner's case is indicative of larger, more systemic, nationwide problem that unfortunately cannot be discussed in this thread. Be that as it may, it's still one of the the biggest reasons it is getting so much attention (in addition to the fact that we have video of the incident, which always makes a story get more attention).


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So only some deaths are relevant?

 

[bwt42]

Per CNN just now Garner was an asthmatic and the chokehold combined with his weight and asthma did cause his death. They also reported Pantaleo has been sued in the past and cases settled out of court. I hope the Feds nail his a$$!!!

Maybe one of the new policy changes in NYC will be to call in a medical assessment team before arresting an uncooperative suspect.

 

[Elley Mae]

I know this question wasn't directed towards me. however, I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that if EG had not resisted arrest, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

No, I do not think he deserved "the death penalty" so to speak, but I also can't say he carries no responsibility for resisting.

...and I can't say the prior breaking up a fight, his obvious health issues and resisting did not contribute to his inability to breathe.

IF this had gone to trial, I don't think a guilty verdict could be obtained without reasonable doubt. Unless a ME or expert could confirm his obesity, asthma and breaking up a prior fight did not contribute to his death. Were those other things ruled out? Maybe, I missed it, if they were.

bbm Curious, is it a fact that there was a fight? Seems that would have been recorded as well, no. I watched the video that has been around and the guy taking the vid talks about him just breaking up a fight and at the same time eric is telling the cops that he is just standing there minding his own business, seems he would have mentioned that. I am not sure about a fight. jmo

 

[Zuri]

Have any of guys seen the second video? The reason they don't perform CPR is because he is already dead. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/19/eric-garner-chokehold-death_n_5602443.html

The EMT appeared to get a pulse. I don't know if he was dead in that video. He certainly was unresponsive.

 

[CHERIE.T]

cherie, the video is on youtube a bunch, if that helps. I didn't link it cuz.... Youtube.....

thank you !

 

[Cubby]

bbm Curious, is it a fact that there was a fight? Seems that would have been recorded as well, no. I watched the video that has been around and the guy taking the vid talks about him just breaking up a fight and at the same time eric is telling the cops that he is just standing there minding his own business, seems he would have mentioned that. I am not sure about a fight. jmo

I know the fight hasn't been confirmed. However that is only one of several things that may have contributed to his death.

ETA: How many times have we seen LE pull down a suspect resisting arrest on Cops or Cops reloaded. It's been filmed numerous times, however I don't recall ever hearing of a suspect killed in that manner. Just an outloud thought.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Cherie, the video is on youtube a bunch, if that helps. I didn't link it cuz.... youtube.....

Oh my! Brought me to tears. IDK what to say.

 

[bexlex]

The EMT appeared to get a pulse. I don't know if he was dead in that video. He certainly was unresponsive.

I was hoping a nurse (Zuri) would step in and opine! She grabs his wrist for a while and then his neck. Do you think it's possible they are doing the pulse checks for show since there are so many people filming? Do you see how limp he is and how they make no attempt to help him. Can't believe they would just let him expire....the only thing that makes sense to me is if he is already gone......

 

[Zuri]

Maybe one of the new policy changes in NYC will be to call in a medical assessment team before arresting an uncooperative suspect.

Don't know if this is snark or not, but educating LE on basic health assessment might be useful.

 

[Cubby]

So only some deaths are relevant?

That's a loaded question. It goes back to not seeing the same outrage at black on black crime. I quess the question could be restated as are only some suspects relevant?

It still goes back to personal responsibility. We can only control what we do, not what others do. Anyone who chooses to participate in criminal activity runs the risks associated with criminal activity.

Still sad all around.

 

[leah]

I'm sorry to quote myself as it is bad form.... but..... look at the 2nd video.... the police man checks his pulse a lot and the EMT lady checks it and decides to just put him on the gurney. There are so many people filming, including this lady who is in the doorway of the shop. I think they (the police, EMT) are in CYA mode in the video

I was like standing in the middle, reading both sides of this, and could see viewpoints from everyone on this thread. I'm no expert on anything, but using my common sense, was there a reason cops were standing around, doing nothing, and frankly with the expression of, OMG what have we done. EG didn't look like he was breathing, I couldn't tell for sure, but the way his one arm was under his body was disturbing, couldn't somebody at least move the arm? The EMT woman, took her sweet time, acted like oh well, what can I do, and then they all just stood there. Does anyone have the 14 minute video? I'm looking at this differently now, and I know, he was committing a crime, a crime I have never heard of before this case, but come on, some compassion, some caring, at least for the camera.

 

[bexlex]

Oh my! Brought me to tears. IDK what to say.

Ikr ???? This video got me really upset. Did you see at the end where the guy who did the choke hold waves at the camera? What is that supposed to be?

 

[CHERIE.T]

Ikr ???? This video got me really upset. Did you see at the end where the guy who did the choke hold waves at the camera? What is that supposed to be?

YES! Is that the officer who told someone to stop video taping? IMOO it looked like that but Im not sure.

 

[popsicle]

Here's a story that doesn't appear to be getting too much attention:
White Ex-Cop Charged in Killing of Black Man in SC

The Cop was still on duty at the time of the killing.




http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/sc-cop-charged-murder-unarmed-man-shooting-27362718

Interestingly, imo, that indictment came about after the DOJ closed their case with no charges brought.

 

[Zuri]

I was hoping a nurse (Zuri) would step in and opine! She grabs his wrist for a while and then his neck. Do you think it's possible they are doing the pulse checks for show since there are so many people filming? Do you see how limp he is and how they make no attempt to help him. Can't believe they would just let him expire....the only thing that makes sense to me is if he is already gone......

Truthfully, I hadn't seen the videos before yesterday and I was shocked at what I saw from a medical perspective. I posted a lot about that unedited video yesterday. I didn't know the EMTs were suspended without pay when I made my comments. I did not see a sense of urgency with the EMTs at all.

I am wondering if he was in cardiac arrest when they hooked him up to the monitor in the ambulance. I could not see respiratory effort by SG in the video, so I was assuming the EMT would remark if there were none. If he was in cardio/pulmonary arrest when the EMTs got there, and no resuscitative efforts were made in that instant, then the EMTs should be fired. You just don't do nothing. IMO

 

[Gardenlady]

So only some deaths are relevant?

Not sure where you came up with that.


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[bwt42]

I watched the video several times. I noticed that the deceased gentleman said--if I heard correctly--"don't touch me" when the cops tried to grab his hands. He then flung his hands and arms around. Did I see that correctly or was that a spliced video? TIA to anyone who can help.

you saw it correctly.

 

[leah]

Truthfully, I hadn't seen the videos before yesterday and I was shocked at what I saw from a medical perspective. I posted a lot about that unedited video yesterday. I didn't know the EMTs were suspended without pay when I made my comments. I did not see a sense of urgency with the EMTs at all.

I am wondering if he was in cardiac arrest when they hooked him up to the monitor in the ambulance. I could not see respiratory effort by SG in the video, so I was assuming the EMT would remark if there were none. If he was in cardio/pulmonary arrest when the EMTs got there, and no resuscitative efforts were made in that instant, then the EMTs should be fired. You just don't do nothing. IMO

Would EMTs or even the police let a man lay on his arm like that? All that weight on his arm.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Why didn't the Christian-Newsom case get a thousandth of the national coverage this one did? IMO a real thrill killing.

Because the killers were arrested right away, and all put away for life or DP?