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Write on……Does anyone still write about this topic? I am new to the forum and the case in general but I think I might have someting important to add
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Write on……Does anyone still write about this topic? I am new to the forum and the case in general but I think I might have someting important to add
If I am understanding correctly, Bitroff admitted that he saw Tangredi at a motel in Patchogue and that same motel was connected to that SCPD officer they were investigating. right?Write on……
I can't find the original affidavit, but it is the one referenced in this article. Is it possible that Bitroff is scared to say anything more because of the tie to SCPD? and he is the person she refers to as the drunk person with blonde hair? It is the same exact motel at the same exact time period. The motel changed names right after and she says that there was another SCPD officeer there.If I am understanding correctly, Bitroff admitted that he saw Tangredi at a motel in Patchogue and that same motel was connected to that SCPD officer they were investigating. right?
Many wA comment from an ex-wife is very low value IMO. Especially when you consider the DNA evidence, which doesn't implicate Hart. This appeal will be thrown out and Bittrolff will rightfully spend the rest of his life behind bars.
Many wives and girlfriends call the tip line.A comment from an ex-wife is very low value IMO. Especially when you consider the DNA evidence, which doesn't implicate Hart. This appeal will be thrown out and Bittrolff will rightfully spend the rest of his life behind bars.
Anyone else questioning whether John might not be guilty ?Bittrolff’s lawyers have long accused prosecutors of relying on dubious forensics to convict him. They say the new charges against Heuermann cast further doubt on the case against their client, who has maintained his innocence since being sentenced to 50 years to life in 2017.
“You have three women killed in the same time frame and displayed in the same way, and now one is alleged to have been killed by Rex Heuermann,” said attorney Lisa Marcoccia of the Legal Aid Society, which is handling the appeal. “The evidence points to one killer, and the new indictment supports John Bittrolff’s claim of innocence.”
Though Bittrolff’s DNA was not found on Costilla, all three victims were displayed in the same sexual manner and missing a single shoe, prosecutors said, and wood shavings were found at all three scenes.
Both Tangredi and McNamee were known to engage in sex work, while Costilla “led a similar lifestyle,” Spota said.
At the 2017 trial, Bittrolff’s lawyer conceded it was possible his client had sex with the two women but said that didn’t mean he killed them. Multiple sperm samples were found on the two women.
Prosecutors relied on the testimony of Suffolk County Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Caplan, who said he analyzed the density of the sperm to conclude Bittrolff had sex with them shortly before their deaths.
Defense lawyers did not call an expert to rebut that. But in an appeal motion, they cited DNA analyst and molecular biologist Dr. Karl Reich, who described sperm density analysis as “pure junk science.”
I am. It's been nagging at me since they charged RH with Sandra, and reading more about the 2 SCPD officers Hart & Murphy.Anyone else questioning whether John might not be guilty ?
Anyone else questioning whether John might not be guilty ?
interesting. I didn’t know about the fingernails/IDs.I really was, but I've been reading about his trial and cases since Thursday. I think there are still enough similarities between Rita and Colleen and Sandra that the case should get a review. But based on the differences (and there were a lot of them, though none alone would be a glaring sign of two killers all of them together seem to point that way), the fact that both were killed when John Bittrolff was facing trial for a 1990 assault, the DNA found under Rita's fingernails along with the DNA in both bodies, his friend saying he saw Colleen's ID in Bittrolff's possession, and the fact that they didn't connect him until his brother was arrested and required to submit DNA makes me think that he was not framed.
I don't know if I'd be surprised to hear DNA connected Rex Heuermann to Rita and Colleen as well. A lot of experts say Rex was likely the type to work alone (and maybe whatever they've found on his computer supports that), but I could see him working with someone else as long as he got to be in charge, like Leonard Lake. (ETA: Meant to add, if some of the stories people have told about him are true, I think he liked talking about himself and the LISK enough that if he met a like-minded person, he might eventually let them in on it as long as he could control them. That said, he was VERY careful, and I can't see Bittrolff sitting in prison for 10 years without ratting on his partner.)
But as for Bittrolff, I'm skeptical of his innocence. Maybe he killed Rita and Colleen alone or maybe he worked with someone else, but the evidence does make it seem like he was involved.
interesting. I didn’t know about the fingernails/IDs.I really was, but I've been reading about his trial and cases since Thursday. I think there are still enough similarities between Rita and Colleen and Sandra that the case should get a review. But based on the differences (and there were a lot of them, though none alone would be a glaring sign of two killers all of them together seem to point that way), the fact that both were killed when John Bittrolff was facing trial for a 1990 assault, the DNA found under Rita's fingernails along with the DNA in both bodies, his friend saying he saw Colleen's ID in Bittrolff's possession, and the fact that they didn't connect him until his brother was arrested and required to submit DNA makes me think that he was not framed.
I don't know if I'd be surprised to hear DNA connected Rex Heuermann to Rita and Colleen as well. A lot of experts say Rex was likely the type to work alone (and maybe whatever they've found on his computer supports that), but I could see him working with someone else as long as he got to be in charge, like Leonard Lake. (ETA: Meant to add, if some of the stories people have told about him are true, I think he liked talking about himself and the LISK enough that if he met a like-minded person, he might eventually let them in on it as long as he could control them. That said, he was VERY careful, and I can't see Bittrolff sitting in prison for 10 years without ratting on his partner.)
But as for Bittrolff, I'm skeptical of his innocence. Maybe he killed Rita and Colleen alone or maybe he worked with someone else, but the evidence does make it seem like he was involved.
M Murphy = Mickey mouseI am. It's been nagging at me since they charged RH with Sandra, and reading more about the 2 SCPD officers Hart & Murphy.
He has a cabin in upstate NY? Was this ever confirmed? Updating/found itI think your right. And poor Sandra was found in North Sea.
Bittrolff has a cabin in upstate NY. The place he has an appitite for raw hearts. SICKO.
Maybe he put the property in someone elses name.
I would not be surprised if he had bodies buried there.
I feel the same way, not so sure of his innocence. I didn't see anything about DNA under the nails...was that in the court docs? I like to read everythingI really was, but I've been reading about his trial and cases since Thursday. I think there are still enough similarities between Rita and Colleen and Sandra that the case should get a review. But based on the differences (and there were a lot of them, though none alone would be a glaring sign of two killers all of them together seem to point that way), the fact that both were killed when John Bittrolff was facing trial for a 1990 assault, the DNA found under Rita's fingernails along with the DNA in both bodies, his friend saying he saw Colleen's ID in Bittrolff's possession, and the fact that they didn't connect him until his brother was arrested and required to submit DNA makes me think that he was not framed.
I don't know if I'd be surprised to hear DNA connected Rex Heuermann to Rita and Colleen as well. A lot of experts say Rex was likely the type to work alone (and maybe whatever they've found on his computer supports that), but I could see him working with someone else as long as he got to be in charge, like Leonard Lake. (ETA: Meant to add, if some of the stories people have told about him are true, I think he liked talking about himself and the LISK enough that if he met a like-minded person, he might eventually let them in on it as long as he could control them. That said, he was VERY careful, and I can't see Bittrolff sitting in prison for 10 years without ratting on his partner.)
But as for Bittrolff, I'm skeptical of his innocence. Maybe he killed Rita and Colleen alone or maybe he worked with someone else, but the evidence does make it seem like he was involved.
You are 100% correct about the DNA evidence being the reason for his appeal to be denied twice!! The appeal documents seemed to give good doubt about that evidence to me, but not to the judge. I can't imagine he is innocent but def not convinced the science proved it.A comment from an ex-wife is very low value IMO. Especially when you consider the DNA evidence, which doesn't implicate Hart. This appeal will be thrown out and Bittrolff will rightfully spend the rest of his life behind bars.
The pathologist testified about it in court; it's in this Newsday article, but you'll need to be a subscriber to read it. Or look it up on Newspapers.com, which is how I read it originally, but I don't have a subscription this month, so I can't copy paste. Sorry.I feel the same way, not so sure of his innocence. I didn't see anything about DNA under the nails...was that in the court docs? I like to read everything
Thank you so much! I am a subscriber and I read the trial testimony, with the "expert", I don't want to repeat if it's already been discussed here, but they guy says it was his first time ever testifying and gave a lot of doubt about it's reliability especially after so many years and no knowledge of the collection manner or chain of command. Then one juror says she talked the rest into finding the DNA so powerful, they went from hung jury to guilty based on her coercion (supposedly). I read all 350 pages of the appeal doc and I was surprised he didn't at least get a chance to put the evidence before a new jury, but I am no expert...at all LOL, I just hope they were right.The pathologist testified about it in court; it's in this Newsday article, but you'll need to be a subscriber to read it. Or look it up on Newspapers.com, which is how I read it originally, but I don't have a subscription this month, so I can't copy paste. Sorry.
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Forensic expert: DNA links John Bittrolff to two slain women
www.newsday.com