NY - Search for escaped convicted killers, David Sweat & Richard Matt, Dannemora #2

[trigger]

I agree others helped out in some way. The one thing I keep thinking is that someone cut the original holes to the cells from inside the wall. I had mentioned before why I think this.

Its hard to describe but when you look at the photo of the cell behind the bed. You can see a frame. The hole followed the frame perfectly. I think the only way you could cut that hole and follow the frame perfectly is from inside the wall. Because if you are inside that wall, you would know where the frame was. If you are just in the cell you would not know exactly where that frame was. Just a guess but it sure seems too perfect to be able to follow the frame without being in the wall itself.


http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/08/h...aped-from-a-new-york-maximum-security-prison/

That is what my Son In Law said also. He is a certified steam fitter. He said if you look at what we saw with Gov Cuomo, the pictures, if showed only 3 cuts. The wall behind the bed, and one on each side of the pipe but you cannot use a hack saw to do that, you would use a plasma cutter or acetylene and oxygen torch.

He has worked in a prison and he said funny how they did not show the numerous gates that are there with pad locks behind the walls.

He said it was well planned and certainly a professional person was used to do this from inside that building.

He said they are long gone.

 

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dotr
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"Two residents in the upstate New York town where a pair of convicted murderers escaped said they're "lucky to be alive" after spotting what they say were the fugitives a short time after they made their getaway.

Later that morning, they reported what they saw to police, who started their search in the backyard. Police dogs were able to follow the trail but did not get far."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/lucky-alive...ry?id=31606886

This is from the first thread. I copied/pasted part of the post to show where I had heard the information that K-9's had been used but lost the scent quickly. Usually I have no idea where a link is! For some reason, this one was easy for me to find!

 

[cpaul]

But then you'd have to ask why she brought in what she did, it would have been of no use. Maybe it was of no use and they found another way.

Re: 24" steel pipe

I was able to blow one of the pics up pretty clearly and it looked to me like horizontal tool markings on the edge of the cut like it was made with a reciprocating saw.

 

[cpaul]

dotr
Registered User

"Two residents in the upstate New York town where a pair of convicted murderers escaped said they're "lucky to be alive" after spotting what they say were the fugitives a short time after they made their getaway.

Later that morning, they reported what they saw to police, who started their search in the backyard. Police dogs were able to follow the trail but did not get far."



http://abcnews.go.com/US/lucky-alive...ry?id=31606886

This is from the first thread. I copied/pasted part of the post to show where I had heard the information that K-9's had been used but lost the scent quickly. Usually I have no idea where a link is! For some reason, this one was easy for me to find!

Thanks. Don't know who the source was for that info but in the news conference LE said Wednesday was the first time dogs were able to pick up a scent. I'll look for a vid.

 

[Elley Mae]

But then you'd have to ask why she brought in what she did, it would have been of no use. Maybe it was of no use and they found another way.

Re: 24" steel pipe

I was able to blow one of the pics up pretty clearly and it looked to me like horizontal tool markings on the edge of the cut like it was made with a reciprocating saw.

Maybe the blades she brought in were specifically for cutting steel pipe and that is what was needed, the saw was there it was the blades that were needed.jmo idk I am wondering if someone else cut the hole in the pipe.

 

[WI1987]

At what point will law enforcement publicly acknowledge that it is unlikely Matt and Sweat are still in the Dannemora area? Surely they have to be reaching that point after almost 9 days. Bear in mind that in the 220 years that the NYSDOC has existed they have never had a prison break last longer than 3 days before the escapees were either re-captured or killed.

With each passing day it becomes more and more likely that these guys are far away, as I said last night I hope what we are seeing is just a show and the real search is behind the scenes. If not ... we may never catch these guys at this point.

 

[K.jill]

Seems likely to me that these two had help from one or more people who are more skilled and crafty than Tillie. Possibly someone with enough financial resources to provide getaway transportation supplies and shelter. This is a huge risk for the person who helped them! Assuming this is a person who is not incarcerated and is also fairly intelligent and educated, this person would surely realize the risk of being caught and going to prison???
If my assumptions are right and they had help from someone unincarcerated and somewhat intelligent...why are these 2 men worth the effort and risk?

 

[Tillicum]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ne...-planned-move-escaped-killers-da-says-n375001

The prison worker charged with aiding in the escape of two convicted killers from a maximum-security correctional facility planned to meet the pair at midnight on the night of the escape and then leave with the escapees, the district attorney said.

"It's basically, to show up down at the powerhouse at around midnight, and pick them up. As we all know now, she failed to show up," Clinton County District Attorney Andrew Wylie told NBC News Saturday. "Pick them up, leave the area."

"The three of them were going to move on together. That was the plan," Wylie said.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

'We will love and support her, not even this will bring our family down': Family of prison worker Joyce Mitchell charged in convicts' escape stand by her

Daughter-in-law of Joyce Mitchell say they will stand by the prison worker regardless of what happens

She added that focus needs to be on finding the escaped prisoners

Mitchell, 51, an industrial training supervisor at Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, New York state, was arraigned at 11pm on Friday

Mitchell 'previously admitted to giving Richard Matt, 48, and David Sweat, 34, prohibited items, including hacksaw blades and goggles with lights'

Matt and Sweat escaped from maximum-security prison early Saturday

Mitchell was expected to meet up with the pair at midnight to be their getaway driver before leaving the area together, but got cold feet


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eak-free-moved-county-jail.html#ixzz3d0FU5uak

 

[Snoods]

They stated on CNN (Erin Burnett) that the husband cannot read or write! What!?* and he is working at a State Prison? How did he get the job then? I am looking up her program where she said this tonite and will post when I find it.

I want to be careful here. I worked in a prison. Therapist. The corrections folks (the folks that moved them around the faciility, took them to the yard etc) were not trained folk. Most of them , in fact were high school drop outs, that realized the pay was better than McDonalds or Wal Mart.

We often had to caution them about their behaviors when interacting with the guys. They are not a trained group of folks.Very often the guys were far "brighter" than the COs. They are tought the rules, how to line them up, how to do take downs, how the locking and unlocking procedures work.

They are not trained folks, and yes, it was very easy for the guys to manipulate them. They obviously had different relationships with the CO's than they did us and administration types. THey spend much more time with them, and the CO's liked some of the guys, while disdaining some of the other guys.

THese are not folks trained in things like boundaries- we had to correct correction officers often in terms of the way they would interact with the guys. Basically it is a job that pays better than McDonalds and basically consists of moving folks around in a line, locking and unlocking some doors, escorting them to group, the yard, or to eat, wrestle them to the ground in a take down and get them in seclusion if they became agitated or threatening.

Many of them had power/control issues. Its not a skilled position is what I am trying to say- its walking the guys around in essense.

Geekathy, this revelation about JM's husband (if indeed true) certainly dovetails with CARIIS' earlier post above in which she gives us some personal insight with respect to prison employees at the prison she worked as a therapist. It's a bit alarming.

O/T but since we have a quite a few newbs on this thread here's a helpful tip: If you click on the blue arrow in a quoted post, it will take you back to that original post. And welcome to all newcomers!

 

[Snoods]

At what point will law enforcement publicly acknowledge that it is unlikely Matt and Sweat are still in the Dannemora area? Surely they have to be reaching that point after almost 9 days. Bear in mind that in the 220 years that the NYSDOC has existed they have never had a prison break last longer than 3 days before the escapees were either re-captured or killed.

With each passing day it becomes more and more likely that these guys are far away, as I said last night I hope what we are seeing is just a show and the real search is behind the scenes. If not ... we may never catch these guys at this point.

Yes, I agree. The only place the dogs have picked up their scent was a few miles away from the prison, six days after their escape. I don't believe they are in the area any longer.

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Dogs-pick-up-scent-of-escaped-inmates-near-prison-306986051.html

 

[peedoffinny]

Do you think Governor Cuomo is at fault over this prison break?

I have a neighbor that is a guard at our state prison. He works 16 hour days, probably 28 days a month. They cut back on hiring guards, and even laid some off, but are working the heck out of the ones that are there. He's made over 120k this year because of o.t. . I can't imagine doing my job well if I was working all of those hours.

 

[Snoods]

That is what my Son In Law said also. He is a certified steam fitter. He said if you look at what we saw with Gov Cuomo, the pictures, if showed only 3 cuts. The wall behind the bed, and one on each side of the pipe but you cannot use a hack saw to do that, you would use a plasma cutter or acetylene and oxygen torch.

He has worked in a prison and he said funny how they did not show the numerous gates that are there with pad locks behind the walls.

He said it was well planned and certainly a professional person was used to do this from inside that building.

He said they are long gone.

BBM That's exactly what I said in the beginning of the thread! Confirmed by a professional, thank you Trigger's son-in-law! :wink:

 

[nightwatch]

Jeremy Mathsen retweeted
WPTZStephanieGorin ‏@StephGorinWPTZ 4m4 minutes ago

Family:Joyce Mitchell,accused of helping killers escape from Dannemora,says she takes responsibility for her actions

Is she going to contact the families of the murder victims and explain how love is blind....

ciao

 

[Jeffreylee2410]

anyone have any thoughts or a possible explanation on the "have a nice day" note and the smiley face that went with it?


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[Greater Than]

'We will love and support her, not even this will bring our family down': Family of prison worker Joyce Mitchell charged in convicts' escape stand by her

Daughter-in-law of Joyce Mitchell say they will stand by the prison worker regardless of what happens

She added that focus needs to be on finding the escaped prisoners

Mitchell, 51, an industrial training supervisor at Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, New York state, was arraigned at 11pm on Friday

Mitchell 'previously admitted to giving Richard Matt, 48, and David Sweat, 34, prohibited items, including hacksaw blades and goggles with lights'

Matt and Sweat escaped from maximum-security prison early Saturday

Mitchell was expected to meet up with the pair at midnight to be their getaway driver before leaving the area together, but got cold feet


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eak-free-moved-county-jail.html#ixzz3d0FU5uak

If they emerged from that manhole around midnight, they had an almost 6 hour head start before anyone even began searching for them.

They were discovered missing during the 5:30 am bed check and LE was notified at 5:45 am. IMO they have been loooong gone since day one.

http://www.mpcourier.com/dco/search...sing-from-state-prison-in-dannemora--20150606

 

[Snoods]

anyone have any thoughts or a possible explanation on the "have a nice day" note and the smiley face that went with it?


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I believe it was a taunting reference to an episode of "Family Guy."

A note left on pipes on the inmates' alleged escape route appears to be a reference to an episode of the animated television series "Family Guy."

In the scene, Peter Griffin the sketch artist draws a picture of an Asian American assaulter as described by a victim who is unable to give any information besides the perpetrator's ethnicity.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...de-a-reference-to-family-guy-in-escape-2015-6

 

[Snoods]

Ok, thank you.

One of the facilities that I worked for, a certain time each shift a "trash run" would be held. One inmate from each unit would bring bags of trash out from the unit that they resided in and it would be placed inside a room in which that room would have a heavy steel bar that was padlocked from the inside and an Officer had to retrieve the padlock key from the Control Room a few minutes prior to the trash run. The trash bags were not searched unless there was probable cause and in my many many years of service, I never saw a trash bag searched. After the inmate places the trash in the area, the Officer then goes through 2 padlocked doors and brings the bags out to the dumpster located just outside of the facility door.
While doing a trash run on May 15th years ago, yes I remember the day and I have never forgotten it. On that day, a new Officer walked past me when I was in the corridor exiting the trash room. He had a look about him that I cannot explain for anyone to know that he had an off the wall look. I asked him if he was ok and he told me that he was not ok. But he was relieved that I had asked him that in that place and time.
He went on to tell me that his father's friend was murdered in a facility where his father used to work as a Correctional Officer. I was stunned and asked him to tell me more he told me that his father worked with a woman named Donna Payant. Donna worked for Green Haven in New York. Her father worked at the Clinton Dannemora Prison for 28 years. Donna's husband worked for Clinton/Dannemora and Donna requested a transfer there from Green Haven i 1981. Donna had just became a Correctional Officer. On 15 May 1981 Donna was murdered in the prison chapel by free-range inmate Lemuel Smith. Smith had a horrifying record before he became the prison free-range.

Donna was a Correctional Officer in the Green Haven Maximum Security Prison in New York State. Yet with all of the security, Donna was tortured, murdered and dumped with the trash.

I have to say that since my co-worker who in a short time became my good friend informed me of his father's friend/co-worker Donna, I never would have know about her and I never would have thought that I would still think about her long after retirement. I always think of Donna, more so in the month of May.
Donna was married and had a husband with three children.
Her father worked for Clinton and so did her husband.
Please, if you have the time, research Donna Payant (Correctional Officer victim) and Lemuel Smith)

That encounter doing that trash forever planted the seed in my mind never to forget what happened to Donna that day. I also made such a good friend. That is so good. The bad thing is that security has not stepped up and the horror that happened to Donna was not taken serious, if Donna's murder was taken serious, drastic measures would have been implored in all facilities nation wide.
Oh, and while you are at it, please check the times of when Donna went missing and when the inmate lock down finally occurred. It will have you seething.

Here are a few links if you would like to know more about Donna;

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/18/n...gregated-from-other-inmates-for-51-years.html


http://www.leagle.com/decision/198410463NY2d41_1101

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/07/nyregion/two-time-murderer-accused-of-killing-a-prison-guard.html

Thora Jay, I remember Donna's murder without even having to look it up. The man who killed her was serving a life sentence for double murder and because of his job within the prison was able to have certain freedoms, making it comparable to the "Honor Block" tier I would imagine. I remember feeling so shocked that something so brutal could happen inside prison walls undetected, and such a brutal murderer was able to move about the prison so freely. Her body was eventually found in a landfill. I'm so sorry to hear you have a close connection to Donna's murder, this case must be difficult for you to follow.

But what I didn't remember is that it happened at the Clinton Correctional Facility, wow, just wow.

 

[Snoods]

Checking for twitter updates with #prisonbreak I was getting furious because I kept seeing tweets like "Those prison break guys are making me hot" with a lot heart emojis. Then I realized they were talking about the guys from the television show "Prison Break". :facepalm: Whew!

 

[Snoods]

:welcome6::welcome::greetings: glad you did take the plunge ........my name is usually listed below as i keep this thread open but i buzz in and out.....

so here's your welome basket of honey, make yourself at home and watch out for snoods.......she'll get you in trouble

:seeya:

BBM Hey now!!

Okay, maybe a time or three...:floorlaugh:

Love ya Queen Bee :blowkiss: