OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in shallow grave, Carlisle, 7 May 2017 #2

[mike balto]

Enmeshment is one manifestation of the extreme psychological damage caused by a narcissistic parent.

Enmeshment is about boundaries being blurred or obliterated. A narcissistic parent does not view her daughter as being a separate individual, much less one deserving of love. To allow her daughter to be separate, to be her own person, is to lose control. Narcissists experience anything less than complete control as an existential threat to themselves.

If Kim is a narcissist then, those texts don't reflect a need by her to live vicariously through Skylar, however pathological that would be. What they reflect IMO is Kim's refusal to allow Skylar to have a life of her own at all. A zero sum game, in which only Kim is allowed to win, and one which Skylar must lose over and over again. With a smile on her face, and while expressing gratitude to her mother for loving her so much.

it's voice to text

You can see it in some of the other incorrect words. That's what voice to text does a lot of the time. I'm using it right now. It doesn't always hear certain inflections

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe she'll get endangering child for not following up with appointment after she received confirmation she was pregnant, and taking bc pills knowing she was pregnant (intending to harm).

Sentenced to probation....

I do think jury is offended, wants to hold her accountable for something, but doesn't want to ruin her life.

MOO

Pregnant women are not required by law to follow up on an appointment or even go to the doctor at all. Making that choice is their constitutional right.

I think the baby was dead before she delivered it. I had a dear friend who was 9 months pregnant and was scheduled for a c-section. The night before she was scheduled to go in, there was a placental abruption, she was rushed to the hospital via rescue squad but the baby was already dead from oxygen deprivation.

BR said she didn't cut the umbilical cord. I believe her. I think the reason was because the umbilical cord was attached to a separated placenta.

The prosecution presented no compelling evidence the baby was born alive because it wasn't born alive.

JMO

 

[arrogantcat]

At minimum, I'm thinking this is one of those cases of "Mother thinking Mother knows better than ED doctors", because when Mommy was in high school in 1985 Sandra/Elizabeth/"everybody" on the cheer squad took laxatives to lose weight and they all turned out perfectly fine!!1! (Whether or not it's even true, or if she would know beyond high school.)

This fits. It’s pretty well known in online eating disorder communities that laxatives cannot help you lose weight (they work too late in the digestive system, after your body has already absorbed most of the calories). It is much more of an old fashioned weight loss ‘strategy’.

What laxative abuse can do, however, it affect your body’s absorption of essential nutrients - which could be problematic for a developing fetus.

 

[arrogantcat]

It’s worth highlighting that from the summaries shared today, it seems the police call Annabelle by name in the second interview (does anyone have a definite source?). There was a bit of a consensus here earlier on that the name was only decided post-arrest as a strategy to humanise Skylar.

This would seem to disprove that.

 

[Seattle1]

It’s worth highlighting that from the summaries shared today, it seems the police call Annabelle by name in the second interview (does anyone have a definite source?). There was a bit of a consensus here earlier on that the name was only decided post-arrest as a strategy to humanise Skylar.

This would seem to disprove that.

Seems to me BSR introduced the name to investigators the day of her arrest.

 

[mike balto]

I agree and I doubt Kim knew Skylar was pregnant, although the fact that Kim obviously scrutinized Skylars body so excessively gives me pause about her not noticing. But then from Kim's texts (keep up on the Dulcolax so you can rock your cute clothes in Destin!) I am now certain that she is absolutely bonkers, so I can't pretend to get inside her brain.

In the text series around the email from the Ob Gyn office saying Skykar's BC prescription was discontinued because 'preg'----Kim said something like, thank god it's not true because I want you to have a future and that would eliminate it. Yeah sounds like a mom one could go to with a pregnancy emergency to me.

Kim and Skyler shared a common goal and that goal was that the baby would either be born dead or dead shortly after because neither one of them bought baby clothes and both of them could have and should have if they actually had any plans to keep the baby alive at all. Planned Parenthood has a reputation for one thing unfortunately and it shouldn't, it should have a reputation for more than one thing because they do great care but when certain people talk about Planned Parenthood, they're only referring to one thing. I believe these are those certain people.

 

[mike balto]

Kim and Skyler shared a common goal and that goal was that the baby would either be born dead or dead shortly after because neither one of them bought baby clothes and both of them could have and should have if they actually had any plans to keep the baby alive at all. Planned Parenthood has a reputation for one thing unfortunately and it shouldn't, it should have a reputation for more than one thing because they do great care but when certain people talk about Planned Parenthood, they're only referring to one thing. I believe these are those certain people.

sorry everyone, I have just learned there's a limited amount of time in which to edit posts and I think that's a good policy but I was going to edit what I said. That's just my opinion. I think it's a case of mom and daughter thinking they are smarter than everyone but I could be wrong. I hate it when I make absolute statements.

 

[cherrymeg]

sorry everyone, I have just learned there's a limited amount of time in which to edit posts and I think that's a good policy but I was going to edit what I said. That's just my opinion. I think it's a case of mom and daughter thinking they are smarter than everyone but I could be wrong. I hate it when I make absolute statements.

I think Kim wanted her daughter to reflect on her or she was living through her. If Skylar can't be useful, Kim will probably blame her. You should not have weight loss text s with your mom who encourages laxatives and is proud when you drop 20 lbs in a really short period of time. That's normal if you have given birth because it's water weight. If you lose weight too quickly you can put stress on your heart in a normal situation.

 

[cherrymeg]

Kim and Skyler shared a common goal and that goal was that the baby would either be born dead or dead shortly after because neither one of them bought baby clothes and both of them could have and should have if they actually had any plans to keep the baby alive at all. Planned Parenthood has a reputation for one thing unfortunately and it shouldn't, it should have a reputation for more than one thing because they do great care but when certain people talk about Planned Parenthood, they're only referring to one thing. I believe these are those certain people.

Planned Parenthood only has certain places that conduct abortions. If you are 11 days away from giving birth and you can do it over your toilet if there was a baby that could have been healthy let it be adopted. There would be almost no one that would know she was prego. Now the world knows. I don't see not buying baby clothes as meaning you plan to kill the baby. I see it as denial or as a distancing thing. If the plan was to tell your parents then set up an adoption, buying cute outfits makes it real and might make you attached. If you plan on giving it up and moving on you don't need baby clothes.

 

[Heaven Leigh]

My question is what would she had done with a live baby? kept her hidden in the room? ahh no ..So to me it seems awful convenient the baby was "stillborn".

I don't know about what the Jury may do. They may believe she was very naïve and scared.

 

[Curiosum]

Do you have links to the clips you saw that indicate to you the Reid technique was used?

I haven't seen any of the second interview.

She was determined to be about 32 weeks pregnant. That was an estimate. That would be 8 months pregnant. That was in April. See gave birth on May 7. Sounds like a full term birth to me.

Full term starts at 37 weeks. The due date is calculated at 40 weeks.

About 10 years ago there was a push to avoid delivering before 39 weeks, the term “Early term” was introduced referring to infants born between 37+0 and 38+6, and many hospitals started making OB get “permission” from pediatrics and are neonatology to induce or schedule a c-section before 39 weeks.

She had the initial OB appointment on 4/26. Theoretically she was 32 weeks I guess based on US weight. Per physician testimony although a fundal height was documented at 32cm in her chart he didn’t actually measure one. She delivered on 5/7 so if the gestational age given at the initial appointment was correct she would be 33+5 which is not term. The post mortem gestational age assessment based on femur length suggested the infant was 37-38 weeks. So, yes, the infant was likely SGA.

 

[cherrymeg]

My question is what would she had done with a live baby? kept her hidden in the room? ahh no ..So to me it seems awful convenient the baby was "stillborn".

I don't know about what the Jury may do. They may believe she was very naïve and scared.

If the baby was born alive we wouldn't be discussing this it wouldn't have made the news. She could have given it up for adoption and gone off to college as planned.

 

[Curiosum]

BBM. You state that as fact but I don't know that it is true. I do know from my experience working at a school of medicine/teaching hospital, that OB-GYN are are a sub-specialty of surgery but I don't know how trained they are in psychology and diagnosing mental illness of their patients. I doubt what you say is true because specialists refer their patients to other specialists all the time. Andrea Yates' OB certainly didn't protect her children and but I'm betting they referred her to psychiatrists.

In many states, severe mental instability of the mother is grounds for a late-term abortion but I don't know what the law in Ohio was at the time. At this point, there is no question that once BSR found out she really was pregnant, she did not want the baby. I think not wanting the baby is the primary reason women seek abortions. The SCOTUS gives them that right. There is no question BSR had a severe eating disorder which is a symptom of mental illness and would be in her medical records. Showing BSR the ultrasound and heartbeat are what some states now require in their abortion laws. What I would like to know is whether that medical practice ever performed abortions for any patient or if they referred them to another doctor.

The decision for an abortion can't be ever easy on a mother but one common factor always seems present is that the mother wants the pregnancy to end. I think the OB-GYN doctors in this case are on a precarious, slippery slope of ethics. Sending that email to her mother was a violation of HIPAA.

JMO

OB-Gyn is it’s own specialty not a surgical subspecialty (like vascular, colorectal, pediatrics, etc). Having said that there are surgical aspects of obstetrics ( like cesarean sections, surgical control of hemorrhage, etc) and many surgical aspects of gynecology. Gyn-Onc and Urogyn are OB-Gyn subspecialties with a significant surgical component.

 

[osu]

'You're scaring me,' Brooke Skylar Richardson tells mom in text after pregnancy revealed

Sept 9, 2019

“You’re scaring me.”

That’s what Richardson told her mom in a text message after her OB-GYN sent an email indicating she was pregnant. Richardson told her mother it was a mistake, and she had just gotten to school. She said she would call about it later.

Her mom chastised her, in a text, telling her to call now. Kim Richardson told her daughter she wanted her to have a future.

“That eliminates all that,” she said.

[...]

On Monday, prosecutors detailed text conversations between Richardson and her mom.

The texts paint a picture of a mother obsessed with her daughter's weight – and a daughter obsessed with her mother's acceptance.

Richardson's attorneys have said the two always text like that. She has suffered from an eating disorder since she was 12.

“I’m literally speechless with how happy I am,” Richardson said in one message. “My belly is back omg I am never ever ever evertrrr letting it grt like this again your about to see me look freaking better than before omg.”

Richardson sent that text to her mother on the day of her baby’s death.

In the weeks that followed, she regularly texted her mother about her weight and workouts. She took selfies showing her shrinking stomach and told her mom she was now strutting around school.

Her mother encouraged her.

Ten days after the nightmare in her backyard, Richardson told her mom she lost 20 pounds. She said it was announced in one of her classes and everyone clapped.

“I could cry,” her mom responded. “U literally (are) my hero.”

BBM
I don’t think I’ve seen this actual text posted anywhere yet, but I do recall this text being read out loud during court yesterday while watching the livestream.

IIRC, BSR said it was one of her teachers who announced her weight loss to the class and everyone clapped.

JMO

 

[osu]

The defense will begin today in the Brooke Skylar Richardson case. I am told they will call 2 days worth of witnesses.
5:09am - 9/10/19

Lauren Pack on Twitter

 

[kahluacream]

I think Kim wanted her daughter to reflect on her or she was living through her. If Skylar can't be useful, Kim will probably blame her. You should not have weight loss text s with your mom who encourages laxatives and is proud when you drop 20 lbs in a really short period of time. That's normal if you have given birth because it's water weight. If you lose weight too quickly you can put stress on your heart in a normal situation.

I had a cousin who ultimately committed suicide after battling anorexia for years and years. If BSR truly had a long-standing eating disorder, her mother should have known that enthusiastically encouraging rapid and extreme weight loss -- including all of the obsessive exercising -- is enabling the disease. The pregnancy issue aside, she simply wasn't looking out for her daughter's best interest, period.

My heart breaks for unwanted and unloved Annabelle. I don't necessarily like it but at this point, I would have to vote "not guilty" of murder. However, it's not because I don't believe she didn't kill the baby. I just don't believe beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[osu]

Carlisle buried baby trial: Defense to begin its case on Day 6

The prosecution rested Monday in the Brooke Skylar Richardson trial after playing a second interrogation tape in which the Carlisle woman changed her statements about the death of her baby girl in May 2017.

Prosecutors say Richardson finally told the truth, but the defense says detectives coerced a false confession out of a scared 18-year-old Carlisle High Schol graduate using information a forensic anthropologist later recanted.


Richardson, now 20, was not arrested after the first interview with Warren County sheriff’s detectives on July 14, 2017 after her baby’s remains were unearthed. During that interview she told detectives her baby that she named Annabelle was stillborn.


“I have given you all the truth," Richardson says to the detectives in the second interview. "I told you about squeezing her and I think I might have killed her."

~snip


https://www.journal-news.com/news/local/carisle-buried-baby-trial-defense-begin-its-case-day/GXDJ0bppQyvrmoml6pwtoM/amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The defense is set to begin calling witnesses to the stand Tuesday in the murder trial of Skylar Richardson, who is accused of killing and burying her newborn baby in 2017.

Prosecutors rested Monday in the former Carlisle High School cheerleader's case.

Prosecutors will begin bringing in witnesses and laying out their version of what happened the night Richardson delivered her baby.

Richardson, now 20, watched along with the jury Monday the videotaped second interview police did with her after her baby's remains were found in her family's backyard in July 2017. They questioned her about possible signs of life in the baby she named Annabelle.

In the interview, Richardson told police that the baby might have moved, cried or gurgled after she gave birth.

Richardson's defense is the baby was stillborn.

Defense attorney Charlie Rittgers claimed detectives put words in Richardson's mouth during the taped interview to get her to admit to crimes the defense said she didn't commit.

After the state rested its case, Judge Don Oda dismissed the tampering with evidence charge. He said prosecutors didn't meet the burden of proof. Richardson is charged with aggravated murder, involuntary manslaughter, endangering children and abuse of a corpse.
Defense to begin calling witnesses Tuesday in Skylar Richardson murder trial

 

[osu]

If BSR gave birth to a live baby in the middle of the night and was afraid to wake her parents and she didn’t want to call 911, but she still managed to get up walk about the house, garage and the backyard without anyone noticing. She dug a hole and buried the baby and then went back inside to clean the bathroom. How long do you think all of this took? A couple of hours?

What’s really sad is that the closest fire department to their home address is only 1.0 miles away and the Carlisle PD is only 0.9 miles away, just a 3 minute drive or a 15-20 minute walk. If she was capable of doing all she says she did at home, she could’ve just as easily wrapped the baby in a towel and taken her to a location nearby where she would’ve been safe.

JMO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Can someone remind me what time Court starts today Eastern Time?

Also, I was following on court TV online and I seem to be about 30 minutes behind everybody else posting. Are there other sites that live stream without doing commercials?