Found Deceased OH - Braylen Noble, 3, non-verbal, Toledo, 4 Sept 2020

[Skigh]

The comments were from attendees of vigil who expressed (paraphrase) their support for members of the family who weren't involved in what happened to Braylen
And people expressing their immediate thought (at the finding of Braylen) was how he could possibly be in a pool that they'd searched and been near all week.
A motorcycle club showed up.

Thank you so much for giving a summary of the article .

 

[BlkMtnGirl]

Can an autopsy determine if someone has died from asphyxiation (not strangulation, but something like a pillow over the nose and mouth)? Sorry for the dumb question, but I don't want to Google it. My browser history has enough stuff like this already.

 

[Lyanna]

Can an autopsy determine if someone has died from asphyxiation (not strangulation, but something like a pillow over the nose and mouth)? Sorry for the dumb question, but I don't want to Google it. My browser history has enough stuff like this already.

Forensic Analysis of Injury and Death by Asphyxiation

if this is any help to your browser history

 

[BlkMtnGirl]

Forensic Analysis of Injury and Death by Asphyxiation

if this is any help to your browser history

Thanks for the link. Since I clicked on that, I just went whole hog and Googled it. It looks like the quick answer is that many times smothering will not show up in an autopsy. :-(

 

[Scribo]

Following some of the posts, I had to research — I’m not a science person so don’t really understand this, but reference below helped a little.

"The diagnostic of drowning is described in the literature as one of the most difficult in the field of forensic medicine (Piette & De letter, 2006)."

Diagnostic of Drowning in Forensic Medicine
By Audrey Farrugia and Bertrand Ludes
(Download is free) Diagnostic of Drowning in Forensic Medicine | IntechOpen

 

[LucyRocket]

Someone asked about steps/ramp from the grass/ fence level to the pool. I'm sorry I can't find that post now.

This picture shows the steps, and that the top of the wall is 2 blocks in width all the way round. Not ideal for someone scared of heights, I'd be hanging on to that fence and not looking down! But probably not very difficult to do by the look of it

 

[LucyRocket]

The comments were from attendees of vigil who expressed (paraphrase) their support for members of the family who weren't involved in what happened to Braylen
And people expressing their immediate thought (at the finding of Braylen) was how he could possibly be in a pool that they'd searched and been near all week.
A motorcycle club showed up.

Almost every video and photo from the search period has that pool in the background. The bandstand that was used as the base for the searches is literally feet away! I find this so upsetting. I wonder how long he was there.

 

[Dylansmom08]

Does anyone know how far the pool is from the apartment he went missing from? Just trying to see if it would even be reasonable to think that he could have gotten out of the house by himself somehow and made it to the pool before the mother and grandmother noticed he was gone and went searching around the pool.

 

[Rosegold68]

so why is mum in custody? what evidence do they have i wonder?

 

[crush]

Does anyone know how far the pool is from the apartment he went missing from? Just trying to see if it would even be reasonable to think that he could have gotten out of the house by himself somehow and made it to the pool before the mother and grandmother noticed he was gone and went searching around the pool.

Nope...one of the few things that help is that grandma said right at the beginning, when Braylen was reported missing, is that they had already checked the pool.

Which is awkward now that he turned up there.

 

[crush]

so why is mum in custody? what evidence do they have i wonder?

Not known to be in custody; "escorted from home by police". But no statement of her being held.

 

[crush]

Almost every video and photo from the search period has that pool in the background. The bandstand that was used as the base for the searches is literally feet away! I find this so upsetting. I wonder how long he was there.

Since he hadn't been there all week, and remember they DID have a drone at the beginning and helicopters and dogs,
...and the searchers were out after sunset till as long as 11pm with flashlights...
MOO he was only there from early pre-dawn hours of the day he was found .SPECULATION ONLY.

 

[LadyL]

Not known to be in custody; "escorted from home by police". But no statement of her being held.

this link does state in custody but no criminal charges yet:

Noble’s mother was taken into custody after the body was found, according to WTVG. No criminal charges have been announced against her at this time.

Ohio police find body of child presumed to be missing 3-year-old boy; mother taken into custody

 

[SAMS]

Don’t know if this was posted https://twitter.com/carla_bayron/status/1304423947384041478?s=21


NEW: @FBICleveland spokesperson told me this morning: ‘#BraylenNoble was discovered and recovered not based on a tip provided, so the $5000 reward money will not be issued.’

@WTOL11Toledo

 

[SAMS]

Police Confirm Missing Autistic Boy Was Found Inside Pool



“It’s common practice in police investigations, once an area is searched, if nothing found, to go back and revisit that search area and see if anything was missed,” said Lenhardt. “But we do want to reiterate that the area was searched numerous times by Toledo Fire and Rescue, the FBI, private search groups, and both live and cadaver dogs.”

The boy was reported missing on Sept. 4 when his grandmother called 911, or about 30 minutes after the child disappeared.

Lenhardt told the Toledo Blade that Braylen’s mother, Dajnae Cox, was taken away from her apartment by Toledo police, but he didn’t say whether she was formally arrested.

A crowd of onlookers cheered the officers as she was walking with them away from the apartment. “We want justice,” they chanted, according to the paper.”

 

[LucyRocket]

Does anyone know how far the pool is from the apartment he went missing from? Just trying to see if it would even be reasonable to think that he could have gotten out of the house by himself somehow and made it to the pool before the mother and grandmother noticed he was gone and went searching around the pool.

Here is an aerial view



Their apartment is on the very left at the bottom, row of 4 buildings, the left hand building but the right hand apartment as you look at it in this image. Pool is on the right (although the pool has obviously been updated since this image).

Here's a video still showing the location of their apartment. You can just see the broken screen in the middle floor on the left of the picture.

 

[LucyRocket]

Nope...one of the few things that help is that grandma said right at the beginning, when Braylen was reported missing, is that they had already checked the pool.

Which is awkward now that he turned up there.

It sounded like that was the ONLY place they searched! She came right out with "we searched the pool (pause) the swings". In half hour that's all they managed to search?

 

[KAE]

Here a Bing Maps Birds Eye View. The apartment is in the upper right and the pool in the lower left: Maps

 

[MsMarple]

Police Confirm Missing Autistic Boy Was Found Inside Pool



“It’s common practice in police investigations, once an area is searched, if nothing found, to go back and revisit that search area and see if anything was missed,” said Lenhardt. “But we do want to reiterate that the area was searched numerous times by Toledo Fire and Rescue, the FBI, private search groups, and both live and cadaver dogs.”

The boy was reported missing on Sept. 4 when his grandmother called 911, or about 30 minutes after the child disappeared.

Lenhardt told the Toledo Blade that Braylen’s mother, Dajnae Cox, was taken away from her apartment by Toledo police, but he didn’t say whether she was formally arrested.

A crowd of onlookers cheered the officers as she was walking with them away from the apartment. “We want justice,” they chanted, according to the paper.”

Thanks for that - I'm stuck behind a paywall for the Toledo Blade article.

Why on earth would the detective choose *not* to disclose whether the mother has been arrested or even taken in for further questioning? Or if LE only escorted her somewhere away from the angry crowd to a safer place then why not just say that?

Why the secrecy?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Can anyone think of a different case where it seemed the body could have been relocated during the initial search-period / investigation to a location within the search zone, where it would be easy to to be caught doing the relocating and to a place where the victim would definitely eventually be found?

It's so brazen. And I wonder, IF it happened, if it's unprecedented. Not that it matters; anything humanly possible is possible. It's just so daring; it doesn't fit with what would be such a cowardly crime initially.