Zimmerman The Gnome
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What happened to the posts about the guy in the picture? Was it not allowed on here?
Clint was not that close to Brian. The only skin Clint has in the game is that he has had to take a lot of heat due to the fact—coincidental, in my opinion—that he spent the evening with Brian on the night that Brian disappeared. I used to think that Clint could be involved, but I now find it extremely unlikely.I was so firm in my belief that Brian never left the building alive for so long but after listening to the interview with Det. Hurst, I think he's still alive and made his getaway with help from Clint. What struck me as odd was that 2 years after he disappeared, the Shaffer family fired the detective they had hired AND Alexis Waggoner got married to someone else. I nearly blew a gasket when I found out just 1 lone detective looked at the security footage...screening it on the wall of his basement. And Hurst did say that if they did find Brian and he wanted to be left alone, they couldn't tell anyone. His brother refuses to discuss it any further. I just feel like everyone connected to the case knows not where Brian is necessarily, only that he IS.
And Hurst did say that if they did find Brian and he wanted to be left alone, they couldn't tell anyone. His brother refuses to discuss it any further. I just feel like everyone connected to the case knows not where Brian is necessarily, only that he IS.
This one doesn't seem too mysterious to me. Brian had told Alexis the week before "move on without me," though he didn't go on to break up. His father had said he looked exhausted from days of all nights studying. Yet it's is 2 am and he is collecting digits trom that girl and telling friends to meet him back at his place later. In college these are known as "study aids," and a med student might very well be able to get hooked up through work.
It seems very obvious to me that he was looking for some help partying on, whether adderall or speed or cocaine. May e he was looking for a sizable score for his upcoming trip. His buddy Clint, who there were drug rumors about, lawyers up and refuses a polygraph twice. It seems to me all the stories tip toe around the drug connection, probably to protect his family.
Brian announced he was going to talk to the band....a classic place for a drug connection, no?. Either they drove him off to a drug hookup or sent him into the local high crime area looking for Huggy Bear to tighten him up. Maybe Brian was going to share some drugs with the band, a common "tip" for pointing someone to a drug connection.
As far as I can see, the band merely said they "don't remember him" but none of them took a polygraph.
As far as the cameras....there were dead spots, he could have been screened behind a group, he could have gone out the service door "not sure if that is debunked.)
Anyway, here is the point. He DID leave the bar. <shrug> It is of minor passing interest why the cameras didn't see him...in mystery crime cases there are always some "facts" that don't wash out in the eventual solution.
I think he got jacked trying to drunkenly score from the local dangerous area, got stuffed in a trunk and dumped out in the country. Or perhaps he went out into that drug purchase and overdosed, leading to the dealers to need to dump the body out in the country or a body of water.
Polygraph are dubious....refusing a polygraph is pretty powerful.
As to the issue of suicide or a planned flight to a new life -- without a wallet, ID, phone, cash, clothes, etc.
Here is my main point, and I'll be obnoxious and put it in caps:
DOES SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE OR FLEE THE CITY COLLECT DIGITS FROM A COLLEGE GIRL?
This one doesn't seem too mysterious to me. Brian had told Alexis the week before "move on without me," though he didn't go on to break up. His father had said he looked exhausted from days of all nights studying. Yet it's is 2 am and he is collecting digits trom that girl and telling friends to meet him back at his place later. In college these are known as "study aids," and a med student might very well be able to get hooked up through work.
It seems very obvious to me that he was looking for some help partying on, whether adderall or speed or cocaine. May e he was looking for a sizable score for his upcoming trip. His buddy Clint, who there were drug rumors about, lawyers up and refuses a polygraph twice. It seems to me all the stories tip toe around the drug connection, probably to protect his family.
Brian announced he was going to talk to the band....a classic place for a drug connection, no?. Either they drove him off to a drug hookup or sent him into the local high crime area looking for Huggy Bear to tighten him up. Maybe Brian was going to share some drugs with the band, a common "tip" for pointing someone to a drug connection.
As far as I can see, the band merely said they "don't remember him" but none of them took a polygraph.
As far as the cameras....there were dead spots, he could have been screened behind a group, he could have gone out the service door "not sure if that is debunked.)
Anyway, here is the point. He DID leave the bar. <shrug> It is of minor passing interest why the cameras didn't see him...in mystery crime cases there are always some "facts" that don't wash out in the eventual solution.
I think he got jacked trying to drunkenly score from the local dangerous area, got stuffed in a trunk and dumped out in the country. Or perhaps he went out into that drug purchase and overdosed, leading to the dealers to need to dump the body out in the country or a body of water.
Polygraph are dubious....refusing a polygraph is pretty powerful.
As to the issue of suicide or a planned flight to a new life -- without a wallet, ID, phone, cash, clothes, etc.
Here is my main point, and I'll be obnoxious and put it in caps:
DOES SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE OR FLEE THE CITY COLLECT DIGITS FROM A COLLEGE GIRL?
No, but someone moments from dying in an accident might. Simplest theory. No killer. No evil Clint. No drug deals. No inexplicable suicide. No even exiting the complex. No concocting a story as to why not caught on cam departing, not caught on cam outside. No witnesses keeping silent. No blowing off the afterparty. No blowing off the GF and vacay mum had funded. Just a dumb drunken accident alone in the completely dug up construction area within just feet and just moments of having chatted up the co-eds. Find the remains, close the case.DOES SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE OR FLEE THE CITY COLLECT DIGITS FROM A COLLEGE GIRL?
Find the remains, close the case.
Someone hitting their head, falling, getting trapped in an area that is to be covered with concrete, and then all the workers there not seeing a body seems so far fetched to me. Unless he fell down into some really really deep hole and for whatever reason that hole was completely filled up is the only plausible way I could see this happening.No, but someone moments from dying in an accident might. Simplest theory. No killer. No evil Clint. No drug deals. No inexplicable suicide. No even exiting the complex. No concocting a story as to why not caught on cam departing, not caught on cam outside. No witnesses keeping silent. No blowing off the afterparty. No blowing off the GF and vacay mum had funded. Just a dumb drunken accident alone in the completely dug up construction area within just feet and just moments of having chatted up the co-eds. Find the remains, close the case.
Brian's dad Randy didn't think it seemed too far-fetched - he actually went in and searched the construction area himself after Hurst did! They had the right idea, they just didn't find Brian's body. Could Brian's remains be somewhere, anywhere, outside the complex? Of course. But inside the complex seems most likely to me. It is at this point the single place on the planet worth searching...Someone hitting their head, falling, getting trapped in an area that is to be covered with concrete, and then all the workers there not seeing a body seems so far fetched to me. ...
Someone hitting their head, falling, getting trapped in an area that is to be covered with concrete, and then all the workers there not seeing a body seems so far fetched to me. Unless he fell down into some really really deep hole and for whatever reason that hole was completely filled up is the only plausible way I could see this happening.
It would have to be a tight enough/deep enough hole for them to not see a body yet big enough for him to have fallen in to.
Don’t people who die this way usually die that way for a reason, like Jimmy Hoffa? Not from an accident.
Agreed. In the accident inside the complex scenario, the construction area, completely dug up as it was when Brian disappeared, and easily conceivably accessed according to Hurst, seems most likely to me. But elsewhere in the complex is certainly possible. As anyone familiar with the complex knows, the structure lies at a street intersection that is not 'square' and the structure itself - which follows the contours of the intersection, is likewise not 'square'. Thus, it is conceivable there could be some wedges/traps. And the stench reported in the building in the wake of the disappearance was reported in the area of the theatre, the escalator, the elevator, so remains in this scenario could be in that area...It seems like whenever the accident theory is debated, it always goes back to how implausible it is that he would be buried in concrete, as if that’s the only possible accident scenario.
There are plenty of other ways for concealed accidents to occur. The Gateway complex is a large building. It houses a movie theater and a number of other shops/offices. The Ugly Tuna itself was tiny, but the building is not. Aside from the construction site, there’s a large roof, duct work, and who knows what other areas that a drunk person could wander into and become trapped/hidden.
We have seen stories of people becoming trapped in duct work, behind refrigerators, between walls, in chimneys, etc. and not found for months/years. It can happen. Obviously it would need to be somewhere that conceals not only the sight, but also the smell of a corpse. But we have seen that can happen.
IF it was an accident, and we knew how it happened, then we would have found him by now.
I think any discussion of the accident theory needs to think outside the box. The construction area warrants consideration, but let’s not make it seem like that’s the only option for a concealed accident.
Agreed. In the accident inside the complex scenario, the construction area, completely dug up as it was when Brian disappeared, and easily conceivably accessed according to Hurst, seems most likely to me. But elsewhere in the complex is certainly possible. As anyone familiar with the complex knows, the structure lies at a street intersection that is not 'square' and the structure itself - which follows the contours of the intersection, is likewise not 'square'. Thus, it is conceivable there could be some wedges/traps. And the stench reported in the building in the wake of the disappearance was reported in the area of the theatre, the escalator, the elevator, so remains in this scenario could be in that area...