OH OH - Harley Dilly, 14, walking to Port Clinton High School, 20 Dec 2019 #2

[curiouse]

Oh well that is disturbing and its....a line.......this just freaked me out......but way to go on doing such in depth searching

Thank you, I appreciate kind words very much. I believe that in today's day and age, especially where in the USA we actually have more surveillance cameras per person than China, no child should be able to blindly disappear. It would seem, impossible.

 

[Alleykins]

@dyannaON
Thank you for sharing. As a mom of a teenager, I needed that reminder.

 

[FindTheirTruth]

I also wonder if leaving for school that early was part of his routine.

LE has stressed the importance of his routine so if this is out of character finding out why could help the investigation.

 

[curiouse]

ALL of these children aside Harley have been located and returned to their homes (or other living situations). Aside the Kitchen boys which is custody / parental situation.
NONE of them relate to Harley's disappearance.

Harley's disappearance has heightened awareness in Ohio and so many are realizing what we at WS already know. Kids go missing at alarming rates. (approx 2,000 per day in the US) This isn't new nor does it necessarily correlate to human trafficking.

The claim that Toledo is the 3rd largest trafficking hub is false. They're listed here as 14th by populous. The city is not a known trafficking hub. Those are all much larger cities.
(https://humantraffickinghotline.org/sites/default/files/100 Most Populous Cities Report.pdf)
EDITED TO ADD: I found where the "3rd largest" came from and it's an article that Toledo is the 3rd largest city within in the state of Ohio for trafficking which is true. But Ohio, as a whole is INCREDIBLY low in human trafficking numbers. It doesn't even make the top 42 states.

I'm not posting this to "argue" but more to look at reality. I could get into a bunch of statistics but abduction and /or luring male teens is incredibly slim in human trafficking. Just over 2,000 minor children in the US are sex trafficking victims.

Around 93% of those are female and very few of those are abducted or lured into trafficking. Most are already run away teens that are estranged from their families and find themselves seeking ways to support themselves and then end up victimized by traffickers.

I'm not saying it couldn't be the case with Harley.
I'm saying it's extremely extremely unlikely.

I did see the '3rd largest' article was older after I posted to be honest and will go back to edit. I would love the links to the other childrens' cases please and thank you. Of them being found; the custody situation. I have looked and didn't find those facts in my own search but again I'm a bit new out of the gate. But I am happy to be corrected and appreciate being so when wrong and would really appreciate links you have. Thanks.

 

[bellyup]

I'm not going to continue debating in public about the prevalence of human trafficking in Ohio because it will derail Harley's thread and anyone can do their own research.

The media hysteria surrounding human and child trafficking is frustrating to me because it takes away from the realities of a very important issue and then clouds actually addressing the problem where it stands

In my opinion it's extremely unlikely that Harley is a victim of child trafficking. He was living at home, attending school, had at least one local friend/family that supported him. While there's some evidence of behavioral issues there is no evidence of drug involvement or any other illegal activity. He's never been reported as runaway before now. He's male. I could be entirely wrong and I'll eat my words if I am but I think trafficking is the least likely possible scenario to play into Harley's disappearance.

 

[KCmetwo]

Do you have an MSM source for this claim, please?

I posted a source for this, straight from HD's mouth. I posted the video from his Youtube where he talks about his Mom having a Heart attack and Stroke, he had to go stay at his aunt and uncles for 2 months it wasn't looking good for his Mom etc.

 

[heed101]

dbm

 

[bellyup]

Port Clinton police remind parents of importance of notifying school of child’s absence

Hmm

 

[KCmetwo]

I can't believe it's been 3 weeks.

Can we get back to the US Marshals investigating this case? Anyone know why it's the US Marshals as opposed to the FBI? I'm not recalling any missing children's cases where the the US Marshals were involved, except for DuPage Johnny Doe. IIRC, the US Marshals are involved because the child's parent/s are fugitives in Mexico.

Maybe the Marshals believe a certain individual is involved?? The Marshals investigate: The Marshals Service is responsible for apprehending wanted fugitives, providing protection for the federal judiciary, transporting federal prisoners, protecting endangered federal witnesses, and managing assets seized from criminal enterprises. HOWEVER:
“The Marshals are committed to assisting state and local agencies with locating and recovering endangered missing children to help prevent them from falling victim to crimes of violence and exploitation,” said SERFTF Commander James Joyner.Apr 24, 2019

(information found via a google search "Why would the US Marshals be assisting with a missing persons case)
U.S. Marshals and Law Enforcement Partners Recover 16 ‘Highly Endangered’ Missing Children

 

[bellyup]

Maybe the Marshals believe a certain individual is involved?? The Marshals investigate: The Marshals Service is responsible for apprehending wanted fugitives, providing protection for the federal judiciary, transporting federal prisoners, protecting endangered federal witnesses, and managing assets seized from criminal enterprises. HOWEVER:
“The Marshals are committed to assisting state and local agencies with locating and recovering endangered missing children to help prevent them from falling victim to crimes of violence and exploitation,” said SERFTF Commander James Joyner.Apr 24, 2019

(information found via a google search "Why would the US Marshals be assisting with a missing persons case)
U.S. Marshals and Law Enforcement Partners Recover 16 ‘Highly Endangered’ Missing Children

US Marshall's are partnered with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children as well. They may have gotten involved just because NCMEC was called in. (https://www.usmarshals.gov/duties/factsheets/missing_child_program.pdf) They also have some pretty advanced cell phone technology that may have been useful in Harley's case in some way.

 

[Sissy123]

US Marshall's are partnered with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children as well. They may have gotten involved just because NCMEC was called in. (https://www.usmarshals.gov/duties/factsheets/missing_child_program.pdf) They also have some pretty advanced cell phone technology that may have been useful in Harley's case in some way.

Curious question:

Who gets the reward money if he is not found safely? I read the checks were made out to the PD. Do they get to keep the money if not given as a reward?

I hope not because I feel that would be counterproductive.

 

[bellyup]

Curious question:

Who gets the reward money if he is not found safely? I read the checks were made out to the PD. Do they get to keep the money if not given as a reward?

I hope not because I feel that would be counterproductive.

I’ve wondered about this myself and couldn’t find any answers as to where reward money goes if it’s unclaimed. It would seem to me that there should be laws surrounding this but I’m not sure there are.

I find it unusual that there is a go fund me for reward money in Harleys case. Have we seen that before?

In the case of Jayme Closs 25k was put up by her parents employer and 25k was offered by the FBI. The employer gave their part to Jayme since she saved herself.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm not going to continue debating in public about the prevalence of human trafficking in Ohio because it will derail Harley's thread and anyone can do their own research.

The media hysteria surrounding human and child trafficking is frustrating to me because it takes away from the realities of a very important issue and then clouds actually addressing the problem where it stands

In my opinion it's extremely unlikely that Harley is a victim of child trafficking. He was living at home, attending school, had at least one local friend/family that supported him. While there's some evidence of behavioral issues there is no evidence of drug involvement or any other illegal activity. He's never been reported as runaway before now. He's male. I could be entirely wrong and I'll eat my words if I am but I think trafficking is the least likely possible scenario to play into Harley's disappearance.

It comes up in every case, and it’s frustrating that people don’t understand the realities.

People literally believe that men in white vans kidnap people off the street, and force them into sex trafficking.

It’s become an urban legend, and doesn’t appear to be going anywhere. The fact that it’s not how it works, be damned.

 

[osu]

Port Clinton police remind parents of importance of notifying school of child’s absence

Hmm

“We need this for attendance reasons and accountability...”

Port Clinton Police Department

 

[Cortne]

It comes up in every case, and it’s frustrating that people don’t understand the realities.

People literally believe that men in white vans kidnap people off the street, and force them into sex trafficking.

It’s become an urban legend, and doesn’t appear to be going anywhere. The fact that it’s not how it works, be damned.

Okie dokie artichokie.

 

[SAMS]

It comes up in every case, and it’s frustrating that people don’t understand the realities.

People literally believe that men in white vans kidnap people off the street, and force them into sex trafficking.

It’s become an urban legend, and doesn’t appear to be going anywhere. The fact that it’s not how it works, be damned.

Yes, and bc of the urban legend behind trafficking, sadly many parents are ignorant to the real signs and preventive measures that will keep children safe. MOO

 

[Moonracer]

There have been several high-profile cases in the past of young men/boys being abducted by evil sexual abusers and held for years, and this may be getting confused with the idea of human trafficking. Harley looked so young and was very small for his age, which could play into an abduction situation where someone thought he was pre-teen, and it's not too beyond the pale to worry that someone in trafficking could have been grooming him and lured him to a meeting, promising to help make YT videos or give him an Xbox, etc.

I truly wish the RR track areas and the bar ditches would be searched or re-searched, as I can't shake the feeling of an accident.

I also hope LE is using top-rated IT specialists to comb through his electronic communications.

 

[Periwinkl3]

I agree that there'd have to be a lot of coincidence at play for HD to have been trafficked, but there is another somewhat related possibility. HD made videos where his shirt was off and where his phone number was displayed on screen for a very long time. A boy of even average intelligence, by about the age of 11, has heard and seen enough online and in school to know that such behavior could absolutely attract someone older, stronger, and not necessarily nice. It takes little perusal of HD's public SM accounts to discern that he seems vulnerable on a number of levels, and that's without even being a friend or follower who could access much more. I really hope he wasn't playing with fire.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, and bc of the urban legend behind trafficking, sadly many parents are ignorant to the real signs and preventive measures that will keep children safe. MOO

Exactly. These things typically occur close to home, and the bad guy is right under the family’s nose. Sometimes that bag guy is an actual family member.

It’s typically a grooming process, as opposed to some snatch and grab operation.

 

[Angiebla]

I apologize if this has been asked already, I’ve tried keeping up with the threads as best as I can...

Is there a chance he got in the car with someone on the pretense of them driving him to school?

He was complaining it was cold out, and he didn’t feel good. What if a friends parent or someone he knew offered to give him a ride? They could have been watching him long enough to know his schedule.