OH OH - Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 - #1

[Darcyline]

I do have to say if JC is 100% what horrible luck to be seen doing something insanely suspicious the same night your fiance goes missing. Many people are never going to be able to get over the burning stuff at midnight in bad weather the night she disappeared.

 

[Kamille]

JC stated that Katelyn had given him a bunch of personal papers to burn for her that evening. He did, according to him, go to a friend's house and burn them. They didn't have a shredder, and burning is permissible where they live, apparently. They were school papers and stuff (I'm assuming maybe pay stubs, bank account statements, etc) that she just didn't want anyone else to see.

Since there was a rainstorm that night, it would have been an odd time for a bonfire (outdoors, anyway). I just wondered if the police checked it out.

This is where it goes strange for me. JC claims that they were having a text conversation about the burning after he left. I believe he commented in one interview that he had told her it was done in the first text. He claims to have left between 11-11:30pm. The text conversation had to have taken place between 11:30 and 12:45am. The weather indicates that this is the exact times when it was supposed to be raining and a thunderstorm. :waitasec:

 

[terracotta]

After watching NG last night I'm still confused about the "picture of a picture" that was sent.

CARTER: I`m sorry. Here`s what the situation was. She had actually sent -- after I had left her house, she had actually sent me a couple of actual text messages about things that she wanted me to do to help her out because she had to work and go to school so much. Then -- she normally sends me pictures of things. Her boss at her internship is a really good photographer, and he took some pictures of her that were really, really good and she wanted to show them to me. And that was one of them.

GRACE: OK, I`ve got a question.

CARTER: It was one of the pictures that he had taken.

GRACE: I got a question, John Carter. You were just there in the townhome with her. Why didn`t she just show you the pictures? Why did she text you a picture of a picture?

CARTER: I mean, I don`t know. They were up in her room. You know, she just -- she likes to send me pictures all the time. She always has.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/25/ng.01.html

When reading this, it appears that the pictures were hard copy photos that were up in her room and that she took a picture of one of the hard copy photos to send. I was always under the impression that the pictures were on her phone and were sent to her by her boss.

If they were hard copy photos in her room, what does this mean? That she was in her room alone at the time she sent that text? I don't recall there being any talk of sending in forensics to see if anyone else was in her room.

MOO

The family and friends believe that the picture was sent by someone else and it was kind of a...in your face...kind of thing. That this person was there in her bedroom.

 

[JeannaT]

JC said she was in bed when he left her so something compelled her to get out of bed and leave the house. So what was it?

Either she opened the door to someone she knew or JC accidentally left the door unlocked and someone slipped in after he left.

I don't buy into the theory that she left town due to stress in order to start a new life. You need a large sum of money to start fresh somewhere else and I doubt she would have left her vehicle behind because transportation would be critical. She was weeks away from graduation - something she had worked her butt off to achieve and imagining her just throwing that all away is highly unlikely.

I know it doesn't seem intuitive, it doesn't stand to reason, but this is EXACTLY when people run off, or in some cases commit suicide. When they are about to make a major change in their life, achieve a major goal. They freak out and run.

And the family and friends are left standing there saying "she just got this new job she was SO EXCITED about starting, her dream job, she wouldn't leave that". Yet they do. That's exactly when they do it.

People who have no changes at all on the horizon - who are on a very steady patch in their lives don't run off. It's women in her case who are susceptible - who are in the situation where it happens.

 

[JeannaT]

The family and friends believe that the picture was sent by someone else and it was kind of a...in your face...kind of thing. That this person was there in her bedroom.

I see how they would think that, but listening to him describe her, she's always doing that. She would take pics of all kinds of stuff and send it.

Considering how she really was excited about how great the pics turned out, how great she looked in them, it seems believable she would send that.

Odd that an intruder would know of her habit of sending snapshots to him, and odd he would know how much the pics pleased her.

I wonder if her boss at her internship has been cleared. Interesting he took such flattering pics of her.

 

[terracotta]

Think about your circle of friends. What if you appeared at the home of one of your friends and ask to use their fire pit in order to burn some trash. How do you think they would react? Better yet, unless it was an emergency of some kind, would your friend appreciate it if you showed up at their home at midnight and then ask permission to burn trash?

You can go back and listen to him mention the burning in one his first interviews. It didn't sound like a big deal to go over his friends house and burn the papers. Sounded like a close guy friend and maybe they hang out there at the fire pit. I don't know...didn't sound like something uncommon when he spoke about it.

 

[SurfieTX]

I see how they would think that, but listening to him describe her, she's always doing that. She would take pics of all kinds of stuff and send it.

Considering how she really was excited about how great the pics turned out, how great she looked in them, it seems believable she would send that.

Odd that an intruder would know of her habit of sending snapshots to him, and odd he would know how much the pics pleased her.

I wonder if her boss at her internship has been cleared. Interesting he took such flattering pics of her.

But what if the person knew them both?

 

[JeannieC]

If this is true, How in Caylee Anthonys case did they get all of the texts 30 or more days later?

And in Kyron Hormans Case TH texts Messages up until 15 days later?

They are able to retrieve them from the phone even if they have been deleted. They are on the sim card. Like retrieving deleted information from a computer.

 

[terracotta]

I see how they would think that, but listening to him describe her, she's always doing that. She would take pics of all kinds of stuff and send it.

Considering how she really was excited about how great the pics turned out, how great she looked in them, it seems believable she would send that.

Odd that an intruder would know of her habit of sending snapshots to him, and odd he would know how much the pics pleased her.

I wonder if her boss at her internship has been cleared. Interesting he took such flattering pics of her.

My thoughts exactly...

 

[janitor]

Well, anything's possible. It would be a simple matter for detectives to track her down if she moved to a new location if she found a job and needed to start using her social security number again.

 

[JeannieC]

JC mentions Katelyn was going to move. I would be very interested in knowing where she was going to move. Was she going to move in with her dad and his gf? On her own? With a friend?

The burning of the documents sounded like she was cleaning up in preparation. Not sure why JC would say Katelyn wanted to be there for the burning? That made no sense to me considering she's the one who asked him to do it to begin with on that same day?

She seemed to be a planner. I imagine she had already begun to get rid of things for the move to Colorado. I believe she meant she wished she could be there with him not that she wanted to be there for the burning. She was working two jobs and going to school so she just wanted to enjoy a longer evening with him.

 

[voxrock2000]

JC stated that Katelyn had given him a bunch of personal papers to burn for her that evening. He did, according to him, go to a friend's house and burn them. They didn't have a shredder, and burning is permissible where they live, apparently. They were school papers and stuff (I'm assuming maybe pay stubs, bank account statements, etc) that she just didn't want anyone else to see.

Since there was a rainstorm that night, it would have been an odd time for a bonfire (outdoors, anyway). I just wondered if the police checked it out.

Odd that he would have mentioned this at all unless there were wintesses to it and it would have to be explained. Then again, it is a strange and potentailly suspicious event, so that it occurred at all and is now documented is a big question mark. Why throw it out there, it only casts suspicion?

The cell phone thing is odd too. They are not reliable evidence since they can be operated by anyone. Checking cell phone towers to see where the last few messages were sent from probably wouldn't show much since they lived so close together and cell towers probably overlap. Seems that text messaging was a big part of their communcation routine and that he did not notice her missing until she did not respond on Monday morning. Kind of leaves a window of opportunity in there for someone to fill in time with random messages and a false timeline. Did she really send the messages to him herself? Odd that that is the only other thing missing besides her, it is a big variable who is in control of that phone. Who turns off their phone at night? I don't.

 

[JeannaT]

Well, anything's possible. It would be a simple matter for detectives to track her down if she moved to a new location if she found a job and needed to start using her social security number again.

It does seem like that, but now and then you hear about someone who was declared dead alive and well living somewhere, having run off and created a new life.

I can't run a simple errand without showing ID or leaving some obvious credit card or other trail, but some people manage to slip away into oblivion.

 

[ConcernedOhio]

I see how they would think that, but listening to him describe her, she's always doing that. She would take pics of all kinds of stuff and send it.

Considering how she really was excited about how great the pics turned out, how great she looked in them, it seems believable she would send that.

Odd that an intruder would know of her habit of sending snapshots to him, and odd he would know how much the pics pleased her.

I wonder if her boss at her internship has been cleared. Interesting he took such flattering pics of her.

Exactly what i was thinking.. This just seems odd to me. Does this seem like normal behavior to anyone else?

 

[~n/t~]

She seemed to be a planner. I imagine she had already begun to get rid of things for the move to Colorado. I believe she meant she wished she could be there with him not that she wanted to be there for the burning. She was working two jobs and going to school so she just wanted to enjoy a longer evening with him.

That's not what JC said. He told her she could be there when he burns his so she wanted to be there for the burning according to him

ETA: IIRC, he said "she was moving" and that's why I questioned if she was moving prior to Colorado. He didn't say "they" were moving.

 

[J1981]

Maybe not so much a geek, but just not too bright? It seems I recall reading that someone who knows him said he is not too smart.

ITA with this. I think he is simply uneducated. I mean that with all due respect, but his grammar/sentence structure/vocabulary/the way he carries himself makes him look pretty guilty when I think it may just be that he isn't very bright.

At first the fiancé was my #1 suspect. I have not personally cleared him but I also keep thinking about her dad, his soon to be new wife (right?), her mom, her boss (!), etc. It's very strange that we don't see her FAMILY in the media. I understand not sharing details of an open investigation but plenty of parents of missing children still plead for their return, give info on their last moments, clothing, etc, and we just aren't seeing that here.




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[katydid23]

The family and friends believe that the picture was sent by someone else and it was kind of a...in your face...kind of thing. That this person was there in her bedroom.

If the perp sent her boyfriend that picture, then it would probably be someone who knew them both. I would even think the perp was vengeful perhaps. Does the boyfriend have any bitter enemies running around?

 

[~n/t~]

CARTER: Well, to be honest, she had some legal documents, like bills, and like her school schedule, things like that. And she wanted me to dispose of them. And the series of text messages that she sent to me -- I had sent her after I had gotten rid of them. I just said, I got rid of them. They`re all gone. And she wanted me to burn them. So it`s, like, I burnt the message -- or I burnt your documents. And she was, like, Oh, I kind of wanted to be there. And I was, like, Well, I have documents I need to burn, so you can be there when I burn mine. And then she just wrote back a message saying, like, Oh, OK. And then she sent me the picture message, and then that was it.


CARTER: Because she has -- she was going to be moving out of her house. She didn`t want to be bringing all these documents with her, and they were just old, old stuff -- like old bank statements, old things like that. All of her current bank statements, everything like that -- they`re all still in the house. They`re all still there and everything like that, so...


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/25/ng.01.html

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think her boss taking photos of her is odd, if he is a photographer and with her art world connections...the sending it to him so shortly after he had just left her, when he could have just looked at the photo(s) in person seems odd, but not suspicious in and of itself. Except that someone pointed out at one time he said he last saw her on her bed, and then on NG he said he did not look at the photos at her house because they were "upstairs" or in her room, something like that. So just another little possible contradiction.

The only way I see her leaving her keys is a: being forced out (and yet no one saw or heard anything? In that close of a setting?) b: purposely left them to make it look like she was abducted

Neither really makes sense...

 

[katydid23]

CARTER: Well, to be honest, she had some legal documents, like bills, and like her school schedule, things like that. And she wanted me to dispose of them. And the series of text messages that she sent to me -- I had sent her after I had gotten rid of them. I just said, I got rid of them. They`re all gone. And she wanted me to burn them. So it`s, like, I burnt the message -- or I burnt your documents. And she was, like, Oh, I kind of wanted to be there. And I was, like, Well, I have documents I need to burn, so you can be there when I burn mine. And then she just wrote back a message saying, like, Oh, OK. And then she sent me the picture message, and then that was it.


CARTER: Because she has -- she was going to be moving out of her house. She didn`t want to be bringing all these documents with her, and they were just old, old stuff -- like old bank statements, old things like that. All of her current bank statements, everything like that -- they`re all still in the house. They`re all still there and everything like that, so...


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/25/ng.01.html

I don't know. Maybe he is innocent, but not really bright. To me, the ONLY reason she would have said " Oh, I kinda wanted to be there" was because she wanted to see that it was all really burned up. That is a natural reaction concerning personal financial things that need to be shredded or destroyed.

But his reply, " ok, you can be there when I burn mine" ---lol, makes no sense at all.