GUILTY OH - Michael, 47, & Trina Kuznik, 46, shot dead at Mr. Cars lot, Cleveland, 14 April 2017

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Guinevere said:
I've been doing a bit of the same.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/ne...sted-el-paso-car-dealership-scheme/100866398/

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Is this the "he" that is being referred to? Did he not like dogs?

http://www.lake.iviewauditor.com/Data.aspx?ParcelID=07A005D000140

Not sure how the real-estate is connected?

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I don't know who the "he" is being referred to in all this.

I mean initial thoughts and articles are a robbery, but a robbery for what? Did the business do a lot of cash transactions where cash would be on hand (buy here pay here- see next paragraph). Why steal 2 vehicles and drop one (this tells me it must not have been about reselling the vehicle for money), but where is the second vehicle? If about cash why take computers/business records.

"She said the business had overnight break-ins in the past, but nothing that indicated something violent would happen. The buy-here, pay-here business was family-owned for four decades and allowed people to purchase vehicles who might not otherwise be able to find financing."

Another thought is the incident occurred after closing, but the front of that building is all glass. If someone wanted to break in and steal stuff why do it when the owners were clearly still there. Why not wait until after they left? It seems from past stories, most people that are into burglary prefer to avoid contact with people and just break in to get what they need and go. During previous break ins had they tried this but couldn't find whatever they were looking for so chose confrontation?

I could be overthinking a simple robbery gone bad I guess but it seems odd. I am also guessing the intruders walked or were dropped off by someone since they left in stolen vehicles.
 
I'm no mathematician by any means. But I think if it was just about robbery a person would go in...... At dead of night...... And take what they wanted. Clearly they knew how to cut cameras..... So why did they want them gone. Is my question.
 
I am not stating that this is connected.
I'm. Saying....... This seems to be the kind of man..... And only my intuition..... Who didn't want bills. Especially a mortgage. Maybe theoretically he had a friend or relative help hime with the first house in Euclid..... But it appears via common please there were some tx issues that caught up with him.

So in desperation.....he seemed to want to take care of hos family from what the news sys........... He bought another house...... But had IMO...... Probably no means of financing except to. Borrow. Id like to see stats and pics on Leroy house. Either way hos resources might have been tapped....... And he was figuring it out. Thats a theory. I want justice. We will get it.



Also how long would DNA take to process from a canine? Or a bag.... Or keys?
 
Sorry I'm sure a lot changed over the years but alleged ly 4 years ago he wouldn't even let a dog in the house.

2 years ago he got a dog to take to lot for protection. This is just what I hear from scant info.
 
I'm not sure of the rules here, but I had a few things to share.


From what I heard, Mike had a car repossessed recently and someone later came in and threatened him with a gun at the lot. I'm guessing that happened after the latest attempted break in and Trina's interview. The location of the keys in Humphreys Park makes sense if you know the neighborhood. The streets around that park are pretty sketchy and I wouldn't be surprised if the shooters were from around there. My best guess is that Mike had an escalating beef with some dope boys from the neighborhood who were buying cars from him. There is a lot of heroin in the area and dangerous people associated with it. This ultimately escalated to the murder. The bmw was probably just dumped on the west side and maybe someone is laying low over there.


I don't think the properties he owned have anything to do with this. The house in Euclid was probably under water which is fairly common. A lot of people bought high before the housing market crashed and the market in the area never really recovered. Im pretty sure he grew up near where he purchased the fixer and was probably making the move to get his kids in a better school district.
 
Dope boys. ...hmmmmm
H (he didn't use) did he?
Reposession of a car they had been looking for for months.
Found out of state.

Sure. Euclid was going under.
Curious of the mortgage on Leroy. They probably already had a good school district.
 
I find it very curious u bring up H and I'm sure u know why.
If u research..

Taxes took Euclid home. Not the housing market.

Whats ur angle here. ? U were a friend?



Mike from what I understand would have never let that be part of the equation.
 
Guinevere said:
Yesterday was the first time I'd heard of him. I only watched a few. It was way out of my my realm. :ufo:

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Yeah. They need to come get him -- beam him back up -- so's he can be amongst his own!
 
Jfms said:
So this guy supposedly had just bought a fixer in the stix. I checked his other home there seems to be some kind of foreclosed lien. ...so pressure was probably on to find the right home and get it livable in an area hed rather be in. But he seemed to have no mortgage. How did he buy it?
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What guy? The video guy or car dealer owner?
 
Jfms said:
Dope boys. ...hmmmmm
H (he didn't use) did he?
Reposession of a car they had been looking for for months.
Found out of state.

Sure. Euclid was going under.
Curious of the mortgage on Leroy. They probably already had a good school district.
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Seems unrealistic that someone using drugs would be trying to get LE to spend more time patrolling their business. Sounds like a very far-fetched theory.

If you want to discuss mortgages and real estate in relation to this case, you need to be more specific in what you're referring to. TIA.
 
Based on Cuyahoga county common pleas, it looks like the business was having some financial issues. You can just type in Mr Cars to pull up by business name. I'm not sure how it could relate, or if it does relate to the murders, but it provides a little bit of a picture around the business over the past couple years.
 
I meant if any other cars come up missing in inventory. Sorry should have clarified
 
Sorry- and again- my opinion
If The home was being at risk of foreclosure, Id wonder how he came up with the funds for Leroy. I mean he had to.....
This seems like a man (Mr. Kuznik) who really wanted to best for his family and was going to make sure it happened.

I need to do more research, but from what I see so far, this is a fixer upper he got- and fixer uppers are tricky. You dont expect certain expenses. Thats what I meant about real estate. He was going to make sure his family was safe and had a roof over their heads. IMO He worked hard and endlessly, people say. I just havent found proof of a mortgage yet, and Im wondering if he had to borrow money? Still looking.... this whole case is just frustrating. 3 kids? left with no parents?????? what monsters do that? and why?
 
Thank you for sharing. These monsters need put away, and every little bit helps
 
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