I'm thinking they wore cowboy boots.
VERDICT WATCH OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #85
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I didn't just find it, I looked this up last week and posted about it! LOL I just searched back to find the post I mad earlier last week.The agent testified that they routinely use fingerprint dust in the entry ways or non carpeted surfaces to see what they can find.
I often do that, put in a topic and search through my older posts. A very convenient feature for Websleuth posters to use.
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Do we know that G3s didn't show? Maybe since this is George 4 trial, the prosecution is saving that info should George 3 goes to trial?
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That's an interesting possibility. I am sure the Proffers detail Billy's involvement just as much as they detail George's involvement, but because this isn't Billy's trial we haven't heard everything on him. Maybe Angela or Jake remember the type of footwear Billy wore that night for example. Maybey there could be purchases Billy made or incriminating things BCI recorded him saying or texting we haven't heard of. Any number off things.
Unfortunately, Billy's trial could end up like George's has. Meaning the evidence isn't strong enough against George without the jury needing to believe Jake and Angela's testimony that George was at the crime scenes.
And with Billy having left Angela and not living with them anymore his attorneys could say Billy didn't know what they were planning, only visited a couple times a week, didn't worry about the custody issues and had broken away from being "enmeshed" with them. It seems like there is less evidence against Billy than there is against George.
If George's jury believes Angela and Jake's testimony there is high probability they will convict George.
If this happens would Billy and his attorneys think Billy's jury will NOT believe Angela or Jake? Billy could still want his trial hoping that his jury will NOT believe them.
If George's jury does believe what Jake and Angela said and found them credible, then
Billy's attorneys will have to roll a boulder up a mountain to get Billy's jury not to believe anything Angela and Jake say.
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No problem Niner! One trick I use it Control F to pull up a search function and I'll search for something I'm looking for. Sometimes it's works. On the court docket with all those journal entries and that small print it really helps especially at this late stage in the trial where there are 2 pages and 500+ things listed. I'm not sure I'd have the patience to look through everything otherwise!
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The only problem with the billy theory is he wore sz 16
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And with Billy having left Angela and not living with them anymore his attorneys could say Billy didn't know what they were planning, only visited a couple times a week, didn't worry about the custody issues and had broken away from being "enmeshed" with them. It seems like there is less evidence against Billy than there is against George.
Billy has barely been mentioned throughout. I think there will be more to come out when it's his trial. Interesting point though due to the fact Billy had left so there's scope for his attorneys to say Billy didn't know what was going on at Peterson Road.
And with Billy having left Angela and not living with them anymore his attorneys could say Billy didn't know what they were planning, only visited a couple times a week, didn't worry about the custody issues and had broken away from being "enmeshed" with them. It seems like there is less evidence against Billy than there is against George.
Billy has barely been mentioned throughout. I think there will be more to come out when it's his trial. Interesting point though due to the fact Billy had left so there's scope for his attorneys to say Billy didn't know what was going on at Peterson Road.
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Do you'all in England celebrate Thanksgiving?
Yes. Billy is a mystery to me at this point. Jake seems to have him all over the place killing people but besides the co-defendants' testimony, I wonder what evidence will come out for him?
And why is he charged with fraud? I have never heard one word about him signing the custody papers. Nothing about him doing murder kit purchases, nothing about him doing computer hacking. Etc...
The latest news is he wants his trial. I expect it to get scheduled not long after George's verdicts come in.
I wonder why George's trial was first?
Can you believe that by the time Billy has his trial it will be close to 7 years since.......
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Oh yes, fraud! How can Billy be facing that charge I wonder. I do think we will have a cart full of information ahead of us.
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Yup. There must be information we haven't heard about him. Be interesting to hear witness testimony about him. Would be especially interesting if he testified, he is a loose cannon, his parking lot interview was all over the place.
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The penny just dropped a few minutes ago as to why Billy and CRs went to Peterson Road to get the muddy truck! So he, CRs wouldn't be surprised when the truck pulled in that night. Now that was a crafty move.
Edit: murder not muddy. Drat predictive text!
Edit: murder not muddy. Drat predictive text!
I am not a lawyer so this is a total guess/JMO on what this "could mean". To instruct the jurors that even IF GW was involved in the planning of the murders, that he then "abandoned" those thoughts at some point and so therefore, he did NOT participate in the murders?
And IF this is correct and/or similar to what that motion means, IMO, it says a lot, especially being filed NOW, as is this the defense possibly saying to jurors, something like, hey, even if you think GW was involved in the planning, we want to let you know, well then he later abandoned that idea which means nope, he wasn't involved.
Is this a last ditch effort (for lack of better word) that defense MAY feel this is their only hope of saving their client (GW) at this point in the eyes of the jurors?
This is all JMO/thoughts on what this motion MAY be about, but again I am not a lawyer.
IIRC, at Dana's, wasn't there a print just inside the front door, and also one somewhere close to Chris Jr.'s room/door where it's been alleged that GW stood?
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CRjrs BR was by the front door.
We don’t have any info specific to Billy’s shoes. I’m going to make a wild leap and guess he was wearing Rocky Boots 
What we know about the shoe prints:
- Walmart receipt for 2 pair of “old man” Velcro lace athletic type shoes, one in size 10.5 - one in size 11. Receipt found in Angela’s “Important Papers” tub during BCI search of trailers they left behind when going to Alaska to scout for a home.
- The Walmart was located approximately 30 minutes away from their normally shopped Walmart.
- Walmart surveillance tape/stills of AW purchasing shoes, walking out of store and in parking lot getting into rear passenger side seat of SUV.
- Angela testified Jake & George plus the 2 children were waiting inside the vehicle. It is unlikely George did not know about the shoes.
- In AW’s interview at MT border she stated she threw the shoes away after showing them to her sons because they didn’t like them. She was SHOOK! and testified she was was not expecting to asked about the shoes.
- 1 size 10.5 bloody shoe print cut out of floor of CR’s kitchen.
- AW testified George told her he had left a shoe print at CR’s.
- 1 size 11 shoe print found at DR’s on small vinyl flooring just inside door.
- Jake testified he was wearing the size 11. Jake also testified he told his mother to purchase the shoes 1 size smaller than they normally wore.
Side note: Angenette Levy recalls Leonard Manley telling her he had a pair of those Walmart shoes he had thrown away & BCI went & dug them up out of the landfill. She said he was irate, to put it mildly. I have never heard how BCI knew LM had those shoes but the soles were worn & not a match for either print. Plus, they were in the landfill.
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What we know about the shoe prints:
- Walmart receipt for 2 pair of “old man” Velcro lace athletic type shoes, one in size 10.5 - one in size 11. Receipt found in Angela’s “Important Papers” tub during BCI search of trailers they left behind when going to Alaska to scout for a home.
- The Walmart was located approximately 30 minutes away from their normally shopped Walmart.
- Walmart surveillance tape/stills of AW purchasing shoes, walking out of store and in parking lot getting into rear passenger side seat of SUV.
- Angela testified Jake & George plus the 2 children were waiting inside the vehicle. It is unlikely George did not know about the shoes.
- In AW’s interview at MT border she stated she threw the shoes away after showing them to her sons because they didn’t like them. She was SHOOK! and testified she was was not expecting to asked about the shoes.
- 1 size 10.5 bloody shoe print cut out of floor of CR’s kitchen.
- AW testified George told her he had left a shoe print at CR’s.
- 1 size 11 shoe print found at DR’s on small vinyl flooring just inside door.
- Jake testified he was wearing the size 11. Jake also testified he told his mother to purchase the shoes 1 size smaller than they normally wore.
Side note: Angenette Levy recalls Leonard Manley telling her he had a pair of those Walmart shoes he had thrown away & BCI went & dug them up out of the landfill. She said he was irate, to put it mildly. I have never heard how BCI knew LM had those shoes but the soles were worn & not a match for either print. Plus, they were in the landfill.
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Great post!
I thought Canepa's opening said that George's shoe prints were showing outside Little Chris's bedroom and Jake will testify that George was stationed there to make sure Little Chris's didn't wake up and leave his room during DR and HR murders.
I do remember Angela starting that George said he missed wiping one of his prints.
I will try to find tweets of Jake’s testimony to clarify, but I’m almost sure he said he was wearing the 11’s.
At what other time would the defense file this? A non starter. Covering bases.
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