VERDICT WATCH OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #85

[NWLady]

Any news on whether the Judge & attorneys are meeting today, Friday?

TIA!

I think court resumes Monday morning, at 9 a.m. I think.

Thanks for all you do!

 

[Niner]

I think court resumes Monday morning, at 9 a.m. I think.

Thanks for all you do!

Thanks - that is what I thought.

I have in my notes that the jury will be there at 9am, but then a tweet said the attorneys/judge will meet at 9am to shore up any motions that are left. So the jury is going to be made to sit... for awhile... ??

And I see no updates in the court site regarding those 7-8 motions.

 

[Dudly]

Thanks, I'd forgotten it was linoleum. Wonder why G3's didn't show. He was placed beside G4, by JW's testimony, iirc. Odd how that works.

GWIII’s footprints may not have been remarkable enough to determine what kind of shoe made them. If he was fidgeting and twisting his feet or stepping back and forth, his prints may not have been clear.
MOO

 

[Dudly]

At least two people had on Wally World, old man, sneakers. G3's boots may have tread, and it be different from the boots/shoe styles the R's at DR's wore, or he could have been the one in the size 11 shoes. JW added him in, or did he just add G4 in, to add to his testimony? It speaks quite a lot when they can't prove who wore the shoes, they had the prints for. and we've never been told G3's shoe size that I recall. All of my boots have solid tread, unless they are slick-soled dress boots.

Leather soles usually do not have a tread pattern so those type of prints may not be useful in that case…

 

[Dudly]

Jake testified that he entered through a window and then let George (or Billy??) in through the front door. No proof George was wearing the shoes that made the prints

You have scenes mixed. The shoe prints were at CRsr and at Dana’s house. Jake climbed through the window at FR’s house.

 

[ohioexpat63]

You're looking at things with tunnel vision, I'm not

You are correct. This is by design though. Watch and pay attention to sentence syntaxes. webslueths allows for open discussion but using multiple logins via VPN is a challenge

You have scenes mixed. The shoe prints were at CRsr and at Dana’s house. Jake climbed through the window at FR’s house.

We cant allow facts to get in the way of preconceived narrative. Those prints just magically appeared and they so happened to be the same shoe and same size AW bought. MAGIC! HAHAHA

 

[rsd1200]

I'm thinking they wore cowboy boots.

There's a pic on their Farm page of G4 in old shoes or boots of some sort. Muck boots and work boots around a farm are usual. Maybe while driving trucks or riding horses for training and pleasure, cowboy boots might be worn.

The only problem with the billy theory is he wore sz 16

I've never heard that in testimony. Interesting. Do you remember what day that was? That would make G3's print, stand out even more. edit: The size 11, it seems was GW4's by JW's testimony. JM2

 

[rsd1200]

So was little Chris's bedroom beside the front door?

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• The brothers and their fathers then went to Dana Manley-Rhoden’s house. The door was unlocked, and they all went inside.
  
  
  
• He said George and Billy were both inside that house, and that George had his .40-caliber Glock pistol out and even had it in Jake’s face as he came out of a bedroom. Jake Testifies at bro's trial

I thought G4 was said to have used an SKS. His own iirc. What did Big Daddy Billy have?

From link below: Jake indicated that he wore the size 10 and a half that night and that George wore the size 11 that night
um and you will see that that size 11 that I told you that was in scene 3 at dana's place is almost exactly where he
says that George was stationed to make sure that little chris didn't come out of his room.

AC's Opening Statements

 

[Dudly]

You are correct. This is by design though. Watch and pay attention to sentence syntaxes. webslueths allows for open discussion but using multiple logins via VPN is a challenge

We cant allow facts to get in the way of preconceived narrative. Those prints just magically appeared and they so happened to be the same shoe and same size AW bought. MAGIC! HAHAHA

There seems to be a variety of facts for the same subject in this case. Take your choice I guess.
GWIV knew nothing about it, but says he conspired to commit the crimes but changed his mind and didn’t do anything. He knew nothing about it but went along to protect JW. He went to bed at 10:00 pm and 12:30 am the same night. No one could leave without him knowing it but they did. The kids watched cartoons in his room with no TV. To name a few.
Just my opinions…

 

[Pru2U]

The kids watched cartoons in his room with no TV.

George was on UHR with Jake.

That being said, kids use their pads and phones these days. Even the little bitty ones seem like they were born with a phone in their hand. I had to let that one go. George presented plenty more contradictions and convenient memory loss that are significant.

 

[silenced]

You have scenes mixed. The shoe prints were at CRsr and at Dana’s house. Jake climbed through the window at FR’s house.

oh I have my people mixed up. I see CRsr and my mind goes immediately to little Chris. Sorry for the confusion!

 

[pamelado2]

As much as the prosecution wants the shoes to be proof, they just aren’t. And the prosecution put a big part of their case on the shoes.

I think you're misunderstanding what "proof" is. There is no "proof" by your definition for any Wagner to have committed murder. They have a receipt for 2 pairs of Walmart shoes in amongst the Wagner possessions (that exactly match 2 separate prints in 2 separate locations), they have bullet casings from the Wagner property (that were fired by the murder weapon).

The only way we know any details from that night are because of Jake and Angela's testimony. The only way we know George's personality and family dynamics is from other's testimony, wiretaps and texts.

The jury had to put all that together and decide if George is lying to save himself or if everyone else is lying.

In order for George to have no knowledge before during or after the murders, Jake and Angela would have to lie about George's involvement. What would the reason be? They secretly hated him? If they couldn't be out taking care of Sophie and Bulvine they didn't want anyone to be? They figured no one would believe they kept it from George so might as well include him?

 

[Skully67]

Jake testified that he entered through a window and then let George (or Billy??) in through the front door. No proof George was wearing the shoes that made the prints

I thought the entering through a window was at FRs.

 

[pamelado2]

So was little Chris's bedroom beside the front door?

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• He said George and Billy were both inside that house, and that George had his .40-caliber Glock pistol out and even had it in Jake’s face as he came out of a bedroom. Jake Testifies at bro's trial

I thought G4 was said to have used an SKS. His own iirc. What did Big Daddy Billy have?

I think the source got this wrong, they used the name George3 many times for Billy in this trial and it got confusing.

And yes, when you walked in Danas house, standing on that small patch of linoleum, you'd turn to the right to go into Little Chris's room and left to the living room.

 

[sunshineray]

You are correct. This is by design though. Watch and pay attention to sentence syntaxes. webslueths allows for open discussion but using multiple logins via VPN is a challenge

We cant allow facts to get in the way of preconceived narrative. Those prints just magically appeared and they so happened to be the same shoe and same size AW bought. MAGIC! HAHAHA

I never said that someone wasn't allowed their theory, just pointed out that it's a very narrow perspective. As far as multiple logins, I agree wholeheartedly.

I also don't think any evidence submitted by the prosecution against GWIV was manufacture in the vein of Mark Furman's glove. That't what my intelligence, my brain is telling me, when taking the evidence presented as whole. Jury knows much more about that than we do as they've seen/heard first hand, from feet away, the testimony.

The jury will decide. I wonder if they'll take a beginning vote to start off deliberations and what they'll want to review first.

 

[91possum]

As much as the prosecution wants the shoes to be proof, they just aren’t. And the prosecution put a big part of their case on the shoes.

Moo (i like mooing), the shoes help prove conspiracy. They dont need to know who was wearing them. Imagine all shoes from walmart were investigated. Then boil down the size, the type, and then location. Then interview all that bought that model and sizes for alibis + motive + opportunity. Like an old fashioned Holmes and Watson case. The evidence that would be the clincher for Holmes? The shoes were brand new. Never worn. Case solved.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

5:34:05 through 5:43:39 mention of MT transcript.
5:39:17 through 5:30 34 mention of MT transcript.

Canepa asked george if a copy of the transcript would refresh his memory but never followed through with giving him one. So I stand corrected. They apparently did have a transcript of the MT interview.

On the other hand, if George had been at the murder scenes and knew what time Chris and Gary were killed when he was in the MT interview I think he would not have said 12:30 am he would have said he went to bed at 9pm or something. If he said 12:30 am that put him awake when Jake left. If he was involved no way would he have named that time.

So I think by Canepa bringing that out she proved he was not at the crime scenes.

Of note : 1:34:45 through 1:35:16 George denied dating the custody document. He said he just signed his name to a blank document his mother had then left. He did not mention Jake being present.

Of note : 6:15:10 George said Angie threatened to take custody of BW away from him.
JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm thinking they wore cowboy boots.

Most cowboy boots have leather soles with some tread. The ones around here anyway. Unless they are very worn down, which a lot are. The exception is bullriders and bronc riders wear slick soled boots when riding in order to kick out of the rigging so as to not be tangled in the rigging when coming off the bull or bronc. Same reason they use rosin on their rigging not to get their hand tangled in the rigging.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

The only problem with the billy theory is he wore sz 16

Do you have a link to that?

I never saw where they mentioned anyone's sizes. All i ever heard was a BCI agents said a pile of boots at Bernie B's was size 12 and they assumed those were Billy's but I think more probably they were George's since those loads came from peterson Rd.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

@Cool Cats said
And with Billy having left Angela and not living with them anymore his attorneys could say Billy didn't know what they were planning, only visited a couple times a week, didn't worry about the custody issues and had broken away from being "enmeshed" with them. It seems like there is less evidence against Billy than there is against George.



Billy has barely been mentioned throughout. I think there will be more to come out when it's his trial. Interesting point though due to the fact Billy had left so there's scope for his attorneys to say Billy didn't know what was going on at Peterson Road.

I think they got the two who planned and executed the murders. Jake and Angie.

JMO