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Junk has sometimes used clever tricks like this to kill cases for the Wagners. In this case, he set an unrealistic deadline, then had to dismiss. How much evidence do they need to show that the victims families were harmed?
I don't know Junk or much of his history in the area aside from what has been in the news or posted here but I don't trust him. I was surprised when he was made a judge but maybe it was just 'his time', it was just owed to him or he had the inside track to get there.
 
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Update in #PikeCountyMassacre case: Next hearing for #BillyWagner, charged in all 8 of the 2016 homicides, will be noon March 7. That comes @ request of case attorneys, who want four or five matters reviewed in open court, visiting Judge R. Alan Corbin tells @Enquirer. 1/3


The attorneys consulted with Corbin by phone this afternoon. No word yet on whether the start date of the trial, now May 6, will stick. 2/3



Here's @Enquirer's most recent coverage of the case from last November. 3/3


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I had not thought she was removed from the civil suit. Tony Rhoden's lawyer vountarily dismissed without prejudice which means it can be brought again if they choose. It was my thought that they did not have enough evidence at this time to go forward within the timeline the judge (not Junk) had set. The judge in the civil case did not grant FW summary judgment that I recall.

In the 9/7/23 MSM link I provided in the quoted post, I read "A civil lawsuit targeting some of the family has been dropped," to infer Fred no longer a defendant. The MSM report goes on the omit her name as a party named in the lawsuit:

Named in the lawsuit were Billy Wagner, yet to go to trial; his wife, Angela and their son Jake, both pleaded guilty and are awaiting sentencing; and their other son, George Wagner Jr., who was convicted on all charges last year and sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

I don't know if Tony Rhoden amended the suit before the dismissal but it doesn't follow that Tony would proceed to trial against a bankrupt group of inmates. IMO, the family might be best served just to seek a default judgment against the other Wagners, and not take the case to trial.

I don't think evidence was lacking-- they already have three out of four convictions and with a wrongful death suit, the burden is lower-- prove liability “by a preponderance of the evidence.”

As for the timeline previously set by another Judge, wrongful death suits are time sensitive-- not sure how a voluntary dismissal will affect a time barred suit.
 
In the 9/7/23 MSM link I provided in the quoted post, I read "A civil lawsuit targeting some of the family has been dropped," to infer Fred no longer a defendant. The MSM report goes on the omit her name as a party named in the lawsuit:

Named in the lawsuit were Billy Wagner, yet to go to trial; his wife, Angela and their son Jake, both pleaded guilty and are awaiting sentencing; and their other son, George Wagner Jr., who was convicted on all charges last year and sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

I don't know if Tony Rhoden amended the suit before the dismissal but it doesn't follow that Tony would proceed to trial against a bankrupt group of inmates. IMO, the family might be best served just to seek a default judgment against the other Wagners, and not take the case to trial.

I don't think evidence was lacking-- they already have three out of four convictions and with a wrongful death suit, the burden is lower-- prove liability “by a preponderance of the evidence.”

As for the timeline previously set by another Judge, wrongful death suits are time sensitive-- not sure how a voluntary dismissal will affect a time barred suit.
It was dismissed but not amended against FW as of yet and a civil suit could still be brought against her and the others. It was dismissed without prejudice on all of the defendants for now. They have ample evidence on the others but not on FW.

Duncan said if they do not come up with the evidence they will seek a judgment against the others. She is the main one that they would stand to get a monetary award from the in suit. I doubt they come up with enough evidence on her during Billy's trial or once evidence in the case is unsealed.



Pike County massacre: Wrongful death lawsuit dropped







08/21/2023ENTRY -- This matter came before the Court on the 10th day of August, 2023 for a Pre-Trial / Status Conference upon a Complaint filed by Plaintiff November 10, 2020. Present in Court were Brian K. Duncan, counsel for Plaintiffs; James D. Owen, counsel for Defendant, Fredericka Wagner; and Rick Nash, counsel for Defendant, George W Wagner, IV.The Judge addressed the media that were present in the Courtroom, advising them that Rule 12 of the Rules of Superintendence for the Courts of Ohio would be followed during this proceeding. The Court finds that a Pre-Trial Statement was filed by Attorney Duncan for Plaintiffs; Attorney Owen for Defendant, Fredericka Wagner; and Attorney Nash advised the Court that he will be filing a Statement for his client, George W. Wagner IV.On August 3, 2023, Attorney Owen filed a Motion for Summary Judgment on behalf of his client, Fredericka Wagner. At the time of the filing, Attorney Owen failed to request from the Court leave to file, and in open Court made a Motion for Leave to file Summary Judgment, which the Judge granted from the bench. Parties will be given until Thursday, September 7, 2023, being twenty-eight (28) days from the date of this hearing to respond to Defendant, Fredericka Wagner's Motion for Summary Judgment. The Court addressed Attorney Duncan's reference regarding the possibility of filing a Civil Rule 56 Motion, which would stay Summary Judgment until discovery is complete. The Judge advised Attorney Duncan that any Rule 56 Motion would need to be filed with the Court and shall cite arguments that support said Motion. If filed, Attorneys for Defendants will have fourteen (14) days to reply to Plaintiffs Rule 56 Motion, and then Attorney for Plaintiff will be given seven (7) days to respond to Defendants reply.Discovery was discussed in depth with all parties. Judge informed all parties that the discovery process needs to begin now, due to the age of this case. Attorney Duncan advised the Court that he would be filing any necessary pleadings to clean up the docket in this case.It is, therefore, the ORDER of the Court that all Discovery shall be completed on or before Monday, February 12, 2024. Once Discovery has been completed Attorney Owen is granted leave until Tuesday, March 12, 2024, if needed, to supplement his previously filed Motion for Summary Judgment. Attorney Nash will also be given until Tuesday, March 12, 2024, to file any Motion for Summary Judgment on behalf of his client. After any supplements to, or new Motions for Summary Judgment have been filed, Attorney Duncan will have until Friday, April 12, 2024, to file a response to any supplemented or new Motions for Summary Judgment. Attorney Owen and Nash will then be given until Tuesday, April 30, 2024, to file any replies to Attorney Duncan's response.The Clerk is hereby directed to serve a copy of this Entry to all counsel of record in this action, and to any unrepresented parties herein by ordinary U. S. mail.There being no further matters before the Court, said Court was adjourned.COPIES FILED MAILED TO COUNSEL AND UNREPRESENTED PARTIES Receipt: 40195 Date: 09/07/2023Image
08/21/2023COPIES MADE Receipt: 40195 Date: 09/07/2023
09/07/2023PLAINTIFFS' NOTICE OF VOLUNTARY DISMISSAL OF PLAINTIFFS' COMPLAINT AS TO ALL DEFENDANTS, WITHOUT PREJUDICE FILED COPIES FILED MAILED TO COUNSEL AND UNREPRESENTED PARTIES Receipt: 40195 Date: 09/07/2023


Duncan's dismissal against all defendants:
https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/e...lwu-6JKQ18jPVH3HedsGA&antiCache=1708799620440

***You may have to copy and paste that link to view, if you want to read it. Not sure the link is working correctly.
 
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I sure wish Angela's transcripts were out there somwhere to read. Maybe they will be at some point.

I recall her testifying that Fred Wagner offered to lie about the shoes Angela bought at Walmart that were used in the murders. I also seem to recall some mention of FW and meetings at her house about planning, etc. after the murders - testimony from Jake W's wife.

I wonder if Billy will mention his mother's involvement during his upcoming trial?
 
I recall her testifying that Fred Wagner offered to lie about the shoes Angela bought at Walmart that were used in the murders. I also seem to recall some mention of FW and meetings at her house about planning, etc. after the murders - testimony from Jake W's wife.

I wonder if Billy will mention his mother's involvement during his upcoming trial?

Pike County murder trial: Angela told the prosecution bloody shoeprints belonged to George
Angela said she didn't remember that she'd left the receipt for the shoes behind; Fredericka later offered to lie and tell investigators the shoes were bought for Billy's dad, but Angela said she declined because she'd already lied to officers about them.

Pike County murder trial wiretaps heard: 'We get electrocuted...it's your fault"
On June 14, 2018, Angela called George to discuss Beth. The two spoke about the photo of a hand holding a gun that had been shown to family and Angela said that while she was at the Flying W Farm she opened the photo while Fredericka walked by.

Fredericka said the hand in the photo was not Jake's but Beth disagreed and said

"Yes it is, that's Jake's thumb all right.'"

"She's full of crap," George responded.

"I know that, alright," said Angela. "Better hope to God they don't call her to the stand."
 
Pike County murder trial: Angela told the prosecution bloody shoeprints belonged to George
Angela said she didn't remember that she'd left the receipt for the shoes behind; Fredericka later offered to lie and tell investigators the shoes were bought for Billy's dad, but Angela said she declined because she'd already lied to officers about them.

Pike County murder trial wiretaps heard: 'We get electrocuted...it's your fault"
On June 14, 2018, Angela called George to discuss Beth. The two spoke about the photo of a hand holding a gun that had been shown to family and Angela said that while she was at the Flying W Farm she opened the photo while Fredericka walked by.

Fredericka said the hand in the photo was not Jake's but Beth disagreed and said


"Yes it is, that's Jake's thumb all right.'"

"She's full of crap," George responded.

"I know that, alright," said Angela. "Better hope to God they don't call her to the stand."
Duncan probably believes they need more than that to win a monetary award against FW in a civil trial. That may be enough for some jurors. I think he filed for dismissal without prejudice to bide them some more time.
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The attorney for Tony Rhoden, administrator of the victims’ estates, filed a notice of voluntary dismissal without prejudice Thursday.

That means they reserve the right to refile the same lawsuit at a later date and definitely plan to, stressed the attorney, Brian K. Duncan.

“Plaintiffs have every intention of refiling this action within the applicable timeframe afforded by and through the laws of the State of Ohio,” he wrote in an email to FOX19 NOW.

The Rhodens stand to gain the most award money if Frederica Wagner is included in the litigation.

If not, the Rhodens’ family said last month he would seek a default judgment against the other Wagners and not take the case to trial.

Duncan said last month it wouldn’t be worth having the Rhodens relive the nightmare with nothing to gain.
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Duncan probably believes they need more than that to win a monetary award against FW in a civil trial. That may be enough for some jurors. I think he filed for dismissal without prejudice to bide them some more time.
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The attorney for Tony Rhoden, administrator of the victims’ estates, filed a notice of voluntary dismissal without prejudice Thursday.

That means they reserve the right to refile the same lawsuit at a later date and definitely plan to, stressed the attorney, Brian K. Duncan.

“Plaintiffs have every intention of refiling this action within the applicable timeframe afforded by and through the laws of the State of Ohio,” he wrote in an email to FOX19 NOW.

The Rhodens stand to gain the most award money if Frederica Wagner is included in the litigation.

If not, the Rhodens’ family said last month he would seek a default judgment against the other Wagners and not take the case to trial.

Duncan said last month it wouldn’t be worth having the Rhodens relive the nightmare with nothing to gain.
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But Fredericka Wagner was able to get out of it thanks to Junk's ruling, even though evidence shows she knew about the murders and the murder weapons were hidden on her property and other accessories were hidden in her home.

It's just so wrong. JMO

ETA: I suppose it's fortunate the case was investigated and killers arrested and tried. That seemed an unlikely prospect at one time.
 
But Fredericka Wagner was able to get out of it thanks to Junk's ruling, even though evidence shows she knew about the murders and the murder weapons were hidden on her property and other accessories were hidden in her home.

It's just so wrong. JMO

ETA: I suppose it's fortunate the case was investigated and killers arrested and tried. That seemed an unlikely prospect at one time.

What is interesting about your statement:

"...evidence shows she knew about the murders and the murder weapons were hidden on her property and other accessories were hidden in her home."

.... Is that it might be possible that it could be proven in a civil court that FW knew and was complicit - all after the fact.... 2 Cents

What I mean is, not by the standard of criminal court where it is beyond a reasonable doubt, but by the standard of civil court.

In general, crimes must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, whereas civil claims are proven by lower standards of proof, such as the preponderance of the evidence.

“Beyond a reasonable doubt" means the prosecution has provided evidence that proves that there is no other reasonable explanation outside of the defendant's guilt.

“Preponderance of the evidence" means it is more likely than not that something occurred in a certain way.


 
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What is interesting about your statement:

"...evidence shows she knew about the murders and the murder weapons were hidden on her property and other accessories were hidden in her home."

.... Is that it might be possible that it could be proven in a civil court that FW knew and was complicit - all after the fact.... 2 Cents

What I mean is, not by the standard of criminal court where it is beyond a reasonable doubt, but by the standard of civil court.

In general, crimes must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, whereas civil claims are proven by lower standards of proof, such as the preponderance of the evidence.

“Beyond a reasonable doubt" means the prosecution has provided evidence that proves that there is no other reasonable explanation outside of the defendant's guilt.

“Preponderance of the evidence" means it is more likely than not that something occurred in a certain way.



IANAL, but it seems possible, if the Rhoden family could find a good attorney from out of town, who couldn't be intimidated.

Shouldn't FW also be subject to prosecution for her role in helping cover up the Wagner's involvement in the murders?
 
IANAL, but it seems possible, if the Rhoden family could find a good attorney from out of town, who couldn't be intimidated.

Shouldn't FW also be subject to prosecution for her role in helping cover up the Wagner's involvement in the murders?

This is my understanding from past research when we discussed it in the past.

Where I see that (prosecution) happening is if there was proof that FW allowed the murder items and stolen items to be hidden on her personal property ..ie...in the lake.

This would be Obstruction of Justice.

It is not a crime if she knew what her spawn had done and said nothing. What is a crime is if she did anything to hinder the investigation.

For example;

1.) Lied to investigators and they can prove it
2.) Lied to the GJ and they can prove it
3.) Found out murder items were hidden on her property and she allowed it and kept it a secret

This is murky water and I would have to do more research but there is a difference between a killer telling you he buried murder evidence on John Doe's property and you don't say anything, and the killer telling you he sunk murder evidence under the goose house on your pond and you don't say anything.

By allowing a killer to keep hidden evidence on your property you are specifically helping him to avoid arrest and that is Obstruction of Justice.

4.) Deleted incriminating conversations from any electronic devices during the investigation
5.) Hid or concealed anything that would have helped in the investigation.
6.) Gave money to help suspects avoid detection
7.) Influenced GJ testimony of witnesses or in any other way tried to influence things witnesses would say to LE.

8.) Anything to help hinder the investigation by "misleading conduct"

One particularly murky category of obstruction is the use of "misleading conduct" toward another person for the purpose of obstructing justice. "Misleading conduct" may consist of deliberate lies or "material omissions" (leaving out facts which are crucial to a case). It may also include knowingly submitting or inviting a judge or jury to rely on false or misleading physical evidence, such as documents, maps, photographs or other objects. Any other "trick, scheme, or device with intent to mislead" may constitute a "misleading conduct" form of obstruction.
 
This is my understanding from past research when we discussed it in the past.

Where I see that (prosecution) happening is if there was proof that FW allowed the murder items and stolen items to be hidden on her personal property ..ie...in the lake.

This would be Obstruction of Justice.

It is not a crime if she knew what her spawn had done and said nothing. What is a crime is if she did anything to hinder the investigation.

For example;

1.) Lied to investigators and they can prove it
2.) Lied to the GJ and they can prove it
3.) Found out murder items were hidden on her property and she allowed it and kept it a secret

This is murky water and I would have to do more research but there is a difference between a killer telling you he buried murder evidence on John Doe's property and you don't say anything, and the killer telling you he sunk murder evidence under the goose house on your pond and you don't say anything.

By allowing a killer to keep hidden evidence on your property you are specifically helping him to avoid arrest and that is Obstruction of Justice.

4.) Deleted incriminating conversations from any electronic devices during the investigation
5.) Hid or concealed anything that would have helped in the investigation.
6.) Gave money to help suspects avoid detection
7.) Influenced GJ testimony of witnesses or in any other way tried to influence things witnesses would say to LE.

8.) Anything to help hinder the investigation by "misleading conduct"

One particularly murky category of obstruction is the use of "misleading conduct" toward another person for the purpose of obstructing justice. "Misleading conduct" may consist of deliberate lies or "material omissions" (leaving out facts which are crucial to a case). It may also include knowingly submitting or inviting a judge or jury to rely on false or misleading physical evidence, such as documents, maps, photographs or other objects. Any other "trick, scheme, or device with intent to mislead" may constitute a "misleading conduct" form of obstruction. Firs
First, Ohio BCI would have to investigate once the information was revealed, under oath at trial. JMO.

That hasn't happened, so assume it won't. It's Ohio. JMO
It doesn't send a very good message to criminals and people helping cover up murder evidence. But, again, Ohio.
 
Given the testimony and convictions since 2019, I think the State never refiling charges was a business decision (i.e., probable cause and winning at trial are not the same). Unlike Rita Newcomb who reached a plea deal with the State in December 2019, FW still maintains her innocence. (I wonder whey Newcomb wasn't named in the civil suit)? Also, in 2019, FW was nearly 77. Add five more years here and I just don't see the State ever refiling charges. A Sunday school teacher icon, she knows judgement awaits her. JMO

6/26/2019

The state dropped charges Wednesday against the 76-year-old matriarch whose family has been accused of murder in the Rhoden family massacre in Pike County in 2016. Fredericka Wagner denied any involvement in the crime and pleaded not guilty to obstruction and perjury charges. A prosecutor said the state couldn't meet the speedy trial requirement in her case but could refile charges after it continues to investigate.

State dismisses charges against Wagner matriarch
 
Given the testimony and convictions since 2019, I think the State never refiling charges was a business decision (i.e., probable cause and winning at trial are not the same). Unlike Rita Newcomb who reached a plea deal with the State in December 2019, FW still maintains her innocence. (I wonder whey Newcomb wasn't named in the civil suit)? Also, in 2019, FW was nearly 77. Add five more years here and I just don't see the State ever refiling charges. A Sunday school teacher icon, she knows judgement awaits her. JMO

6/26/2019

The state dropped charges Wednesday against the 76-year-old matriarch whose family has been accused of murder in the Rhoden family massacre in Pike County in 2016. Fredericka Wagner denied any involvement in the crime and pleaded not guilty to obstruction and perjury charges. A prosecutor said the state couldn't meet the speedy trial requirement in her case but could refile charges after it continues to investigate.

State dismisses charges against Wagner matriarch

I think most people would agree with that. The sketchy part is allowing her to skate from the civil suit.
 
Given the testimony and convictions since 2019, I think the State never refiling charges was a business decision (i.e., probable cause and winning at trial are not the same). Unlike Rita Newcomb who reached a plea deal with the State in December 2019, FW still maintains her innocence. (I wonder whey Newcomb wasn't named in the civil suit)? Also, in 2019, FW was nearly 77. Add five more years here and I just don't see the State ever refiling charges. A Sunday school teacher icon, she knows judgement awaits her. JMO

6/26/2019

The state dropped charges Wednesday against the 76-year-old matriarch whose family has been accused of murder in the Rhoden family massacre in Pike County in 2016. Fredericka Wagner denied any involvement in the crime and pleaded not guilty to obstruction and perjury charges. A prosecutor said the state couldn't meet the speedy trial requirement in her case but could refile charges after it continues to investigate.

State dismisses charges against Wagner matriarch

Rita was a plaintiff in the Rhoden lawsuit.

As for FW, it is getting too late to charge her again for her 2 felonies. The statute of limitations runs out after 6 years which would be July 2024.

Even if it could be proven that she knew what her spawn had done, it isn't even a crime, so I doubt she could be added back to the civil suit even tough a civil suit is proven on a lesser standard.

2 Cents
 
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Rita was a plaintiff in the Rhoden lawsuit.
^^rsbm

Thank you @Cool Cats. I missed her name in the Sept 2023 MSM quote on who was named in the lawsuit:

Named in the lawsuit were Billy Wagner, yet to go to trial; his wife, Angela and their son Jake, both pleaded guilty and are awaiting sentencing; and their other son, George Wagner Jr., who was convicted on all charges last year and sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.
^^rsbm

ETA: Perhaps the hang-up surrounding the Rhoden's civil case is Ohio Law to prove negligence and/or intentional act by the defendants.

Wrongful death claims are very similar to personal injury claims and contain many of the same elements when it comes to the burden of proof and available remedies. In other words, it appears that whether by a criminal act, negligence, or an intentional act, the test to prove negligence (basis for a financial judgement) is the same. In Ohio, four elements must be proven to show negligence.

Per Ohio Revised Code 2125.01 ORC, if a party’s negligent or intentional actions led to someone’s untimely death, they can be held liable for the surviving family members’ losses, such as pain and suffering, loss of companionship, and funeral and burial expenses.
 
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^^rsbm

Thank you @Cool Cats. I missed her name in the Sept 2023 MSM quote on who was named in the lawsuit:


^^rsbm

ETA: Perhaps the hang-up surrounding the Rhoden's civil case is Ohio Law to prove negligence and/or intentional act by the defendants.

Wrongful death claims are very similar to personal injury claims and contain many of the same elements when it comes to the burden of proof and available remedies. In other words, it appears that whether by a criminal act, negligence, or an intentional act, the test to prove negligence (basis for a financial judgement) is the same. In Ohio, four elements must be proven to show negligence.

Per Ohio Revised Code 2125.01 ORC, if a party’s negligent or intentional actions led to someone’s untimely death, they can be held liable for the surviving family members’ losses, such as pain and suffering, loss of companionship, and funeral and burial expenses.
I’m reading a different section that refers to acts of omission or negligence related to manslaughter, murder. It doesn’t matter, though, because Junk will let her off. He will continue to protect her empire, even though she knew about the murders and tried to cover up her family’s involvement. Regardless of how she handled things in court, I still think she knew the murders were being planned and helped cover up her family’s involvement.
 

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