OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #88

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Seattle1 said:
The existing laws on the subject in the State of Ohio appear to be written for convicted inmates. Although I'm not finding anything for jailed inmates awaiting trial, I imagine the reasons for transfers are similar. Also, I know there are exceptions about moving inmates deemed "high security" or risk averse.

Most County inmates I've followed who are constantly being rotated are usually gang members, have family members locked in the same jail, or the jail employees are family to the inmate.

IMO, an inmate making an attempt on the lives of Jake or Billy would probably be doing so for notoriety and inmate cred. Similar to the inmate recently sentenced for murdering Boston gangster James "Whitey" Bulger within hours of his prison transfer. This inmate was already doing life in prison.

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A former Mafia hitman already serving life in prison has been sentenced to 25 years in the 2018 prison killing of notorious Boston gangster James “Whitey” Bulger.
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He was moved for trial and to be close to his attorneys. A few years back I read an artcle saying he was following the jail rules, not a problem in jail.

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Cool Cats said:
He was moved for trial and to be close to his attorneys. A few years back I read an artcle saying he was following the jail rules, not a problem in jail.

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I don't recall George being moved to be closer for trial or to his attorneys but that could be the reason Billy was moved.
 
Betty P said:
Is George still in Maryland or wherever?
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Wherever is right. He was in a really really bad 1800 prison in Rhode Island. Why? I called and pretended to be a friend and was told for security. I think they had to get him out of the area due to death threats against him. I think.

Now? Well, guess I can call them back to find out if my "friend" is still there.

Looking forward to your recaps of upcoming hearings and would like to see what you think about Billy's trial....9 years later. Wow. I feel old waiting.

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Cool Cats said:
Wherever is right. He was in a really really bad 1800 prison in Rhode Island. Why? I called and pretended to be a friend and was told for security. I think they had to get him out of the area due to death threats against him. I think.

Now? Well, guess I can call them back to find out if my "friend" is still there.

Looking forward to your recaps of upcoming hearings and would like to see what you think about Billy's trial....9 years later. Wow. I feel old waiting.

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from my notes I have:
Was moved on 5/5/23 to Maximum security at Rhode Island Dept. of Corrections.
 
Cool Cats said:
Wherever is right. He was in a really really bad 1800 prison in Rhode Island. Why? I called and pretended to be a friend and was told for security. I think they had to get him out of the area due to death threats against him. I think.

Now? Well, guess I can call them back to find out if my "friend" is still there.

Looking forward to your recaps of upcoming hearings and would like to see what you think about Billy's trial....9 years later. Wow. I feel old waiting.

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Wow. Nine years. I wonder if they've all had enough time to regret planning that night?
 
Betty P said:
Wow. Nine years. I wonder if they've all had enough time to regret planning that night?
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No amount of time to regret killing 8 people - only regret at getting caught.

The 2 of them were on the stand after years and years, no remorse, saying they had to do it. For made up allegations that they had to admit did not happen.

Jake admitted he did not want HR dating other guys and I believe it was an "If I can't have her no one can."

AW wanted full custody to not have to share 50% with Dana. Jealous of Dana. On AW audio AW said Dana was very close to S on her weekends off, did stuff with S....etc.... We know Angela wanted to be the "mom" and be #1 and Jake did not want HR with other guys. These 2 motives.

In front of the family Jake was sorry for himself...Angela would not even look Tony Rhoden in the eye.

But think about it. Your broke in jail and your mom's liquid assets are worth 4 million. Family reputation at stake. 50 years of reputation success in business, etc....

Imagine your sister is worth 4 million and actually comes to visit your sorry butt in jail and takes your phone and video calls. Your sister/mom makes sure there is always money in your account. The money allows the tablet, email, phone/video calls, best shoes, extra blankets, food, magazines, OTC medications and many many other items often necessary to have from the jail commissary.

Are you gonna tell them you killed 8 people?

No. Billy wants FW and RW's support so he has to plead innocent.

My opinion for motive and for why Billy is taking this to a dead end wasteful ridiculous trial.
 
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Cool Cats said:
No amount of time to regret killing 8 people - only regret at getting caught.

The 2 of them were on the stand after years and years, no remorse, saying they had to do it. For made up allegations that they had to admit did not happen.

Jake admitted he did not want HR dating other guys and I believe it was an "If I can't have her no one can."

AW wanted full custody to not have to share 50% with Dana. Jealous of Dana. On AW audio AW said Dana was very close to S on her weekends off, did stuff with S....etc.... We know Angela wanted to be the "mom" and be #1 and Jake did not want HR with other guys. These 2 motives.

In front of the family Jake was sorry for himself...Angela would not even look Tony Rhoden in the eye.

But think about it. Your broke in jail and your mom's liquid assets are worth 4 million. Family reputation at stake. 50 years of reputation success in business, etc....

Imagine your sister is worth 4 million and actually comes to visit your sorry butt in jail and takes your phone and video calls. Your sister/mom makes sure there is always money in your account. The money allows the tablet, email, phone/video calls, best shoes, extra blankets, food, magazines, OTC medications and many many other items often necessary to have from the jail commissary.

Are you gonna tell them you killed 8 people?

No. Billy wants FW and RW's support so he has to plead innocent.

My opinion for motive and for why Billy is taking this to a dead end wasteful ridiculous trial.
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True, Billy will never admit he helped kill the Rhodens. He'll never admit that to his mother or sister, even though his mother knows he did. She even bought him a new bullet-proof vest. Her family pride would never allow Billy to admit publicly what he did.
 
Cool Cats said:
No amount of time to regret killing 8 people - only regret at getting caught.

The 2 of them were on the stand after years and years, no remorse, saying they had to do it. For made up allegations that they had to admit did not happen.

Jake admitted he did not want HR dating other guys and I believe it was an "If I can't have her no one can."

AW wanted full custody to not have to share 50% with Dana. Jealous of Dana. On AW audio AW said Dana was very close to S on her weekends off, did stuff with S....etc.... We know Angela wanted to be the "mom" and be #1 and Jake did not want HR with other guys. These 2 motives.

In front of the family Jake was sorry for himself...Angela would not even look Tony Rhoden in the eye.

But think about it. Your broke in jail and your mom's liquid assets are worth 4 million. Family reputation at stake. 50 years of reputation success in business, etc....

Imagine your sister is worth 4 million and actually comes to visit your sorry butt in jail and takes your phone and video calls. Your sister/mom makes sure there is always money in your account. The money allows the tablet, email, phone/video calls, best shoes, extra blankets, food, magazines, OTC medications and many many other items often necessary to have from the jail commissary.

Are you gonna tell them you killed 8 people?

No. Billy wants FW and RW's support so he has to plead innocent.

My opinion for motive and for why Billy is taking this to a dead end wasteful ridiculous trial.
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She has 4 million in liquid assets? I thought her money was tied up in real estate which is not a liquid asset.
 
iridized said:
She has 4 million in liquid assets? I thought her money was tied up in real estate which is not a liquid asset.
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Yes her 4 million is all tied up in real estate but if sold, liquidated, it is 4 million. Right, not liquid until sold. At her bond hearing there was mention that her assets were not liquid.

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PIKE COUNTY, Ohio — Mention Fredericka Wagner, 76, around Pike County and most folks have a thing or two to say.
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KentuckyMama said:
Is Billy's trial gonna be on TV like George's was? Are people going to be able to choose to testify off camera again?
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I think the trial will be shown. Since there is a new judge I guess he could change things up, but I kind of feel like he will go with what was done in George's trial and allow witnesses to opt out of being shown or heard. I think it is a law in Ohio that witnesses have that right. This is an article as to why that happened last time.
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Here's why you won't see every witness testify during the Pike County murder trial

Those who have been following the Pike County murder trial of George Wagner IV have probably noticed some witness testimony has not been able to air over live streams or on televised recaps later.
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Betty P said:
True, Billy will never admit he helped kill the Rhodens. He'll never admit that to his mother or sister, even though his mother knows he did. She even bought him a new bullet-proof vest. Her family pride would never allow Billy to admit publicly what he did.
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He needs the commissary money to keep flowing.
 
Monday, October 7th:
*Pretrial Hearing (@ 1pm ET) – OH – Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence “Frankie” Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie’s fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.’s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden’s baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) and a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) - *George Washington “Billy” Wagner III (47/now 53) (name changed [11/5/86] from William Emmanuel) [Jake’s father] indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (12/4/18) with 8 counts of aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 4th degree obstructing justice & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Was permanently moved (9/13/24) to the Pickaway County Jail in Circleville, *Pike County
Trial set to begin on 1/6/25.(should last 8 weeks).
Presiding Judge Jonathan P. Hein replaced (on 5/29/24) Judge R. Alan Corbin [health reasons]. Prosecutor Angela R. Canepa & defense attorneys Mark C. Collins & Thomas F, Hayes.
Case & court information from 12/4/18 thru 8/29/24 reference post #776 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...ner-family-members-arrested-88.674961/page-39
9/3/24 Docket update: To Judge Hein. Defendant's Amended Motion for Change of Venue filed by Mark C. Collins for GWIII. Next pretrial hearing on 9/5/24 @ 1pm.
9/5/24 Update: Defense attorney Mark Collins said he’d also like the court to remove death as a possible penalty early in the case, in the event that Wagner is convicted. “We’re always trying to take it off the table early,” he said. After the hearing, Wagner attorney Mark Collins said his client remains opposed to the use of “other acts” at trial. “What’s relevant is what happened, what happened right before & what happened right after.” Judge Hein has set monthly hearings in the case through the anticipated Jan. 6, 2025 trial start. Judge Hein also wants prosecution & defense attorneys to work together on questions they will put to potential jurors in the case & both sides to winnow motions to the most “substantive & necessary.” 1.) What evidence of “other acts” (meaning other crimes or wrongdoing) they want to use in trial; 2.) who they want to testify; 3.) how many trial days they anticipate & 4.) their POV on moving the trial to another venue, which Wagner requested this week. Visiting Pike County Common Pleas Judge Jonathan P. Hein met privately with attorneys in the case for 90 minutes to review pending motions. In a public hearing of less than 10 minutes, he asked prosecutors to return to court 10/7/24 @ 1pm with information on four key topics.
9/6/24 Docket update: Notice of intent to Dismiss Motions filed; copies filed mailed to Counsel. 9/6/24 Docket update: Notice of Intent to Dismiss. [This matter came before the Court upon its own review of the file & following the Court's notice on 6/17/24 to counsel regarding the need to resolve numerous motions pending on the docket. Additional informal notice was also subsequently provided by email]. To date, counsel have identified several motions which need to be resolved & it is apparent that other motions are unnecessary. Therefore, the Court gives notice of its intent to dismiss pending motions on or after 9/27/24 unless good cause is shown. Signed by Judge Jonatan P. Hein.
9/13/24 Update: George “Billy” Wagner III has been locked up at the Butler County Jail in the northern Cincinnati suburbs since the day he was arrested nearly six years ago. He was permanently moved to a new county jail over on Friday, 9/13/24. Now, he’s waking up at the Pickaway County Jail in Circleville, where he is closer to his Columbus-based attorneys.
9/20/24 Docket update: Warrant for removal of defendant from Pickaway County jail on 10/7/24 for pretrial.
 
Here's a couple of local news links. There's no mention of the hearing yet, but they usually cover it.

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It looks like the judge and attorneys have some work to do during this hearing. Judge Hein had already set a schedule to expeditiously deal with motions, getting them taken care of or dropped if needed. He also asked attorneys to let him know of other motions, which questions and objections they have, etc.
 
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George “Billy” Wagner IV is back in court today in the 2016 #PikeCountyMassacre case, his 19th hearing since being charged for the eight homicides in November 2016. 1/9 (Photo by @ldufour @Enquirer)
https://twitter.com/x/status/1843293785629037002


Visiting Judge Jonathan P. Hein last month said he wants to act on motions pending in the case, filing a “notice of intent to dismiss” motion on Sept. 6. That would happen “on or after Sept. 27, unless good cause is shown,” the judge’s notice said. 2/9


Among the motions is one to change the location of Wagner’s trial, set to start Jan. 6 in Pike County. His attorneys filed that Sept. 3, arguing the potential jury pool there has been tainted by publicity surrounding the case. They made and lost the same argument in 2023. 3/9


Prosecutors opposed the earlier change of venue motion. They have yet to respond to the filing of last month. 4/9


Wagner is charged with eight counts of aggravated murder & 14 other crimes for the shooting deaths of seven members of Pike County’s Rhoden family and one future member. He was held in Butler County’s jail until Sept. 13, then moved to the Pickaway County jail in Circleville. 5/9


According to prosecutors in the case, Wagner, his wife and his two sons killed the Rhodens because they believed a granddaughter they have in common was being molested while in the care of the Rhodens. 6/9


In the fall of 2022, George Wagner IV was convicted on the same charges his father is facing. Son Edward “Jake” Wagner and wife Angela Wagner both pleaded guilty to their participation in the crimes. Jake Wagner is jailed in Gallia County and Angela Wagner in Delaware County. 7/9


As part of their deal with the state, they will testify in Billy Wagner’s trial, then be formally sentenced and moved to Ohio state prisons. 8/9


Wagner’s hearing in Pike County Common Pleas court in Waverly, Ohio, starts at 1 p.m. I’ll be on hand with @Enquirer colleague @lizdufour. Updates to come. 9/9
 
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