GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #68

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Wagners really really were abusive to others. Just when I think I can't be surprised anymore, more evidence comes out.

We all missed it. The Wagner's getting into Chris Sr's by faking a drug deal and 2 of them hidding then starting shooting. Scheiderer said a casing was on the porch and under house so this makes sense that they got Chris to open the door then started shooting. I was sure they got Chris to open the door then started shooting from the porch or near the porch.

B@#$%&'s

PS. I hope and pray the details come out about Kenny at trial.

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This part I think surprised Deering.

 

[Covert Operative]

Yes, I don't think anyone ever knew or discussed that the Wagners had used a ruse to get into CRsr Home that evening.
I am paraphrasing, but… A big Drug Deal. A lot of money?
And JW,GW were hiding and - I may have this wrong, shot at Crsr/ home from a distance?
We need an exact transcript of that whole discussion.
This info opens up so many possible discussions if we can now talk about the “underlying current” of drugs.

What I heard was that G4 and JW were hiding to try to shoot CRSR from a distance. Seems like that did not work out. They may have made a shot from a distance and missed?

 

[Covert Operative]

Yes, I don't think anyone ever knew or discussed that the Wagners had used a ruse to get into CRsr Home that evening.
I am paraphrasing, but… A big Drug Deal. A lot of money?
And JW,GW were hiding and - I may have this wrong, shot at Crsr/ home from a distance?
We need an exact transcript of that whole discussion.
This info opens up so many possible discussions if we can now talk about the “underlying current” of drugs.

What I heard was that G4 and JW were hiding to try to shoot CRSR from a distance. Seems like that did not work out. They may have made a shot from a distance and missed?

That was my thought too. Almost doesn’t make sense. Unless Business is business. Personal is personal.
But apparently Business and personal mixed that night.
Does anyone think this plays into the question of when was KR killed? Makes me think he had to be first.

I do think he was killed first. There are several reasons in my mind but one could be that he knew of the fictious drug deal that was going to go down.

 

[Piffcat]

im extremely surprised about the fake drug deal ruse.... the wags and rhodens must have been really tight and longtime friends for crsr to let his guard down after the incident with billy and the gun a week earlier. he never thought they would take it there. it also sad because if crsr took billys gun at the fight, that means he spared his life. could have killed him right then and there. why was crsr in his underwear if he was expecting company? or was that after he was debilitated. all 4 should burn in hell and it sounds like g4 was an integral part of this massacre. they all need the needle

 

[Tiff23fr]

Full Hearing today, almost 2 hours, Monday May 2, 2022 in this article:

Prosecution lays out 'other bad acts' by Wagner family that could be included at trial

Thanks - I have not had a chance to watch it yet. In reading the posts I do have a question regarding the fake drug deal. Was it clear during the hearing it was Billy CSR was expecting to show up and do the deal with? I wonder if being a “fake” deal, CSR may have been expecting someone other than Billy; possibly even a fake someone.

 

[Piffcat]

That was my thought too. Almost doesn’t make sense. Unless Business is business. Personal is personal.
But apparently Business and personal mixed that night.
Does anyone think this plays into the question of when was KR killed? Makes me think he had to be first.

i think your right on the ball there . if crsr knew billy was coming over for a large lucrative deal kr 100 percent would have also known this imo. i just cant see billy announcing to crsr he was coming over(to kill him) and just leaving it to chance that kr wouldnt be watching cameras or stop by. there had just been a violent incident the week before. imo the wagners were scared of crsr and kr. or else they wouldnt need a ruse to be comfortable. g4 bought a truck and modified it so no one knew it was theres. so i just dont see what kenny could have seen which would necessitate an unplanned killing. if crsr knew billy was coming, everyone who also knew that would have to die. and waiting til after crsr makes no sense. kr was a pre requisite

 

[Covert Operative]

Thanks - I have not had a chance to watch it yet. In reading the posts I do have a question regarding the fake drug deal. Was it clear during the hearing it was Billy CSR was expecting to show up and do the deal with? I wonder if being a “fake” deal, CSR may have been expecting someone other than Billy; possibly even a fake someone.

I think it was clear that CRSR was expecting BW, but it was not clear at least to me if CRSR thought another person or other persons were suppose to attend also.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I think it was clear that CRSR was expecting BW, but it was not clear at least to me if CRSR thought another person or other persons were suppose to attend also.

Ok - thanks. I hope to listen to it later tonight or tomorrow.

 

[Piffcat]

also on the shooting from a distance topic what was going on with these silencers? it seems impossible that what happened at crsr house could have been completely silent at shooting from a distance. the 22 and even the 40 sure silence that easily. but a bolt action rifle at a distance? if one gun was loud wouldnt that mess up the point of the other guns being silent?

 

[Cool Cats]

Thanks - I have not had a chance to watch it yet. In reading the posts I do have a question regarding the fake drug deal. Was it clear during the hearing it was Billy CSR was expecting to show up and do the deal with? I wonder if being a “fake” deal, CSR may have been expecting someone other than Billy; possibly even a fake someone.

Good questions. Later when I get a chance I am going to transcribe some of the Hearing. Hopefully this will help answer some questions.

My guess until I transcribe it, is that maybe the Wagner's blindsided Chris "out of the blue" with a drug deal because it was a FAKE drug deal. Seems a bit odd considering that Billy had pulled a gun on Chris that previous week. But I want to hear what Canepa exactly said about it.

I think it is important to hear exactly what was said by the prosecution and then the rebuttals by the defense.

Defense rebuttles from various Hearings:

Bodziack can't place who exactly was wearing the shoes.

The truck listening devices encompassed States other than Ohio, thus the listening Warrant is no good.

Missing addresses.

George tried to talk them out of the homicides.

George only went at last minute, he wasn't sopose to go but went to protect Jake from Billy.

Human error in the analysis of the shoe print evidence can be a shadow of a doubt.

George had no intent to shoot anybody.

George did not shoot anybody.

No proof George was wearing the shoes that caused bloody prints. Could have been only one pair of shoes.

Have posted links previously but can post again if asked.

 

[OhioBlues]

Good questions. Later when I get a chance I am going to transcribe some of the Hearing. Hopefully this will help answer some questions.

My guess until I transcribe it, is that maybe the Wagner's blindsided Chris "out of the blue" with a drug deal because it was a FAKE drug deal. Seems a bit odd considering that Billy had pulled a gun on Chris that previous week. But I want to hear what Canepa exactly said about it.

I think it is important to hear exactly what was said by the prosecution and then the rebuttals by the defense.

Defense rebuttles from various Hearings:

Bodziack can't place who exactly was wearing the shoes.

The truck listening devices encompassed States other than Ohio, thus the listening Warrant is no good.

Missing addresses.

George tried to talk them out of the homicides.

George only went at last minute, he wasn't sopose to go but went to protect Jake from Billy.

Human error in the analysis of the shoe print evidence can be a shadow of a doubt.

George had no intent to shoot anybody.

George did not shoot anybody.

No proof George was wearing the shoes that caused bloody prints. Could have been only one pair of shoes.

Have posted links previously but can post again if asked.

CC,

Do you have a link to today? I've been searching YT but can't find it.

Thank you!

Edited to add that I haven't really been able to follow this case for almost a year.

Edited....I found it.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Good questions. Later when I get a chance I am going to transcribe some of the Hearing. Hopefully this will help answer some questions.

My guess until I transcribe it, is that maybe the Wagner's blindsided Chris "out of the blue" with a drug deal because it was a FAKE drug deal. Seems a bit odd considering that Billy had pulled a gun on Chris that previous week. But I want to hear what Canepa exactly said about it.

I think it is important to hear exactly what was said by the prosecution and then the rebuttals by the defense.

Defense rebuttles from various Hearings:

Bodziack can't place who exactly was wearing the shoes.

The truck listening devices encompassed States other than Ohio, thus the listening Warrant is no good.

Missing addresses.

George tried to talk them out of the homicides.

George only went at last minute, he wasn't sopose to go but went to protect Jake from Billy.

Human error in the analysis of the shoe print evidence can be a shadow of a doubt.

George had no intent to shoot anybody.

George did not shoot anybody.

No proof George was wearing the shoes that caused bloody prints. Could have been only one pair of shoes.

Have posted links previously but can post again if asked.

Thanks for the offer to transcribe some of it. That will be very helpful. Being very curious about this, I just scanned it and I see Deering also asked for clarity.

1:15:56
“Something you said just a moment or two ago. Are you suggesting that the arrival at the premises there on the evening of the deaths was expected?”

“CSR expected to see BW that night, he did not know that Jake and George were present because they were hidden and out of view of the vehicle that they arrived in. And the whole contrived story to get them access on that evening was that Billy had this chance for this drug deal that he was hoping Chris would be interested in. And that was the story that Billy tried to use to throw us off the tracks at the end. Saying this was a big drug deal that Chris was involved in and (name is stated in the audio), the myth and the legend was the person who killed the Rhodens because he found out about this drug deal that CSR cut him out of.”

Video in article link:
Prosecution lays out 'other bad acts' by Wagner family that could be included at trial

 

[Cool Cats]

Thanks for the offer to transcribe some of it. Being very curious about this, I just scanned it and I see Deering also asked for clarity.

1:15:56
“Something you said just a moment or two ago. Are you suggesting that the arrival at the premises there on the evening of the deaths was expected?”

“CSR expected to see BW that night, he did not know that Jake and George were present because they were hidden and out of view of the vehicle that they arrived in. And the whole contrived story to get them access on that evening was that Billy had this chance for this drug deal that he was hoping Chris would be interested in.”

My GUESS is that the Wagners surprised Chris Sr, that he didn't know they were comming. It was a FAKE drug deal and also the Wagners could not have called Billy and said they were coming over because the Wagner's alibi was that they were home.

They could not leave a phone trail of having called Chris. In fact, they used phone jammers.

Just my opinion until I get the chance to transcribe exactly what Canepa said in court.

It was important that the Wagners took Chris by surprise, if they had told him they were coming he would have had time to arm himself and get other family over to his house. This was a surprise ambush I believe.

Especially that Billy pulled a gun on him I believe that if Chris knew they were coming he would have armed himself, Gary too, plus as I mentioned, getting others over to his house.

Again, opinion until I go over the hearing when I have time tomorrow.

Plus, hard for me to believe everything Angie and Jake say about that night. Canepa said Jake contradicted himself in his proffer.

Contradicted = Lying.

The article you quoted could be right of course. Which is why I need to study what was said at the Hearing.

“CSR expected to see BW that night, he did not know that Jake and George were present because they were hidden and out of view of the vehicle that they arrived in. And the whole contrived story to get them access on that evening was that Billy had this chance for this drug deal that he was hoping Chris would be interested in.”

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes, I don't think anyone ever knew or discussed that the Wagners had used a ruse to get into CRsr Home that evening.
I am paraphrasing, but… A big Drug Deal. A lot of money?
And JW,GW were hiding and - I may have this wrong, shot at Crsr/ home from a distance?
We need an exact transcript of that whole discussion.
This info opens up so many possible discussions if we can now talk about the “underlying current” of drugs.

Would love to see Betty P do the transcript. She is great at that. JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I was shocked about the way someone (was it AW, it was not clear) dictated the rules of how or what the intimate sexual relations between JW and his wife and GW and his wife would be.
I never imagined that.

BBM
I thought it was said it was a family discussion in which they all voted on. Can you even imagine that conversation?

"Well George tonight you and T can........ or Ok Jake tonight you and EW can......


My sense of humor is warped, I admit it freely. LOLOLOLOL.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

That was my thought too. Almost doesn’t make sense. Unless Business is business. Personal is personal.
But apparently Business and personal mixed that night.
Does anyone think this plays into the question of when was KR killed? Makes me think he had to be first.

AC said at 1:14:52-54 that Chris SR was the first point of contact between the R's and W's. I think that means Kenny was killed last.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes let's think positive glass 1/2 full not 1/2 empty!

That after this sorry mess is all said and done through the snails crawl of court, that all 4 Wagner's will be locked away with the keys flushed away.

Maybe Tony will get a civil trial if there are any assets.

But justice will be served. I believe it for sure.

I'm looking forward to posting their Ohio prison mug shots and the prisons each will be sent to. That information will be available for the public.

I sent a "prison approved" care package for Reader but I wouldn't even think of sending one to any of the Wagner Crime Family.

I sent a "prison approved" care package for Reader
BBM
Can anyone do that? Sorry not much experience in this area so does this mean I can send one also? If so what can I send? Money to buy things?

JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

Would love to see Betty P do the transcript. She is great at that. JMO

Me too. She does a great job.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Good catch RAISINISBACK!

I'll give you 50% off my swamp property!

So glad to see you post and that you are doing so much better!

Oh I already sold that swamp to some OP's on here. At a much better price than I gave for it of course. Property values has increased you know. LOL

 

[RAISINISBACK]

O/T

Sorry going to lose electric soon. TORCAN 7 and tornadoes flying around all over OK. Guess I can watch the rest of the video tomorrow and get in my opinions.

JMO