GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #68

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Caylee Advocate said:
JMO but I don't think those cowardly beasts spent much time at any of the scenes. The most time had to have been spent at CR's.

It's just too bad Chris wasn't armed at the time they entered, but when a pack of hyena's gets the jump on a lone prey.. it's normally GAME OVER.

IMO,G4 was more of a "semi" clean up person who lagged behind but still botched a cleanup.

I sure DO think all of the victims were made to look into the eyes of their killers. :mad::mad: MY OPINIONS.
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I also believe the victims were awakened so that they knew whom was killing them…
Also my opinion only…
 
Dudly said:
I also believe the victims were awakened so that they knew whom was killing them…
Also my opinion only…
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From the very beginning I believed all the victims were awake and knew what was about to happen. There was most likely lots of screaming and shouting by the W's, ordering the victims to do what they say, with guns in hand. That may be why CR JR was awakened and hiding, if this is true. I know we will probably never know how it went down, but the W's definitely wanted the victims to believe they won, while terrorizing them to the end. May they rot!! JMO
 
Caylee Advocate said:
Good post FOM, I also think SW was not with the W's until just before these murders. If they are relying on JW and AW to tell the "truth" they're screwed. MOO. In ways I hope they are caught lying... back to DP option.
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In ways I hope they are caught lying... back to DP option.

Me too. They are worse than animals. To plan out 8 murders over a period of months is sick.

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JMO
 
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RAISINISBACK said:
BBM
I don't believe 4 was just on the scene as moral support and to clean up brass.

George killed Gary. Better think about the autopsy reports that said Gary was the only one killed with a larger caliber gun, aka, George's 40 caliber. That is going to come out at his trial, if he goes to trial that is. I personally think he will take a plea for LWOP. He may have lost his stomach for it all after shooting Gary point blank in the head but he killed him while Jake and Billy took care of Chris. They almost lost the whole ball game at Chris's when he saw them coming. RSD nailed that fact back in 2016 right after the murders. RSD said they came close to being overpowered by Chris and Gary. It took all three to kill him and Gary who were both strong men.

( No link. Too tired to look it up but it is in the media timeline for those who want to review the autopsy reports thanks to Betty P who put in a tremendous amount of work on that timeline. Thank you Betty. Maybe CC will help me out once again. CC I love you. Sincere appreciation for all the information you help us out with. You are the best.)

So JMO
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Hi RAISINISBACK, so nice to see you posting, guess your husband is letting you keep your laptop!

Here are links:

Final Autopsy Report | PDF

• New information released in unsolved Rhoden family massacre

• https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/sta...reporters-to-inspect-slain-family-s-autopsies
 
RAISINISBACK said:
S0rry but I think the reason Kenny was killed is because he saw the W's vehicle they purchased for this crime at or near one of the victims houses. More importantly the W's saw him. They couldn't risk Kenny running to Reader and describing a vehicle he saw in the vicinity that night that could be traced back to them. The leave no witness mentality. The W's had to be nervous and amped up with what they were doing. When you are doing something you know is wrong and going to get you the DP if caught, you get paranoid over every little thing. Whether Kenny recognized anyone in the vehicle or not did not matter to them. They just couldn't take the risk he might have. It is my belief that paranoia and endless "what if's" set in and the conclusion was that Kenny had to go.

Being that we know Billy and company were thieves I think they searched his wallet and pants for money and dropped some on him in their hurry to get out before someone saw them.

JMO
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Yes I remember you think KR was a last minute plan. Could be he was too close to the situation of Billy pulling a gun and fighting with Chris, thus, they felt he would point a finger at them and push an investigation towards them. Perhaps even seek revenge.

Or he was simply a way to take away some of the focus off of UHR. Make it look like it was about more than just Hanna's immediate family. More about something larger. "Muddy" the crime scenes so to speak.

Yes it makes sense that the thieving Wagners could have looked through his wallet for $. (Wallet probably sitting out in the open with his keys etc...) Then not being happy finding small bills they tossed dollar bills on Kenny's legs from the knees down, per DS. Doubt they would bring a bunch of bills with them because too easy to trace them, Wagner's prints would be all over them.
 
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Fat Old Man said:
I do not believe anything this professional liars say. I still believe that SW was picked up during the murders. And AW was with them. I am sure, their proffer is not accurate. And I think it will come apart, and the death penalty will be part of the sentence. All my opinion.
BW and GW are in trouble relying on JW and AW ability to keep their story straight.
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Right, Jake hasn't been completely honest in his proffer.

According to Canepa Jake contradicted himself at times in the proffer.

Also, Canepa said Jake said in his proffer that George didn't shoot anyone but she also said that doesn't mean that he actually did not.

In other words Jake could be covering, lying for George, my words.

But during Wednesday's hearing, special prosecutor Angela Canepa told Deering she thought there was something important to note: "We are not stipulating that George Wagner did not shoot anybody. We are stipulating that according to Jake Wagner's proffer, George did not shoot anybody. That's an important distinction."

And Canepa stated that Jake contradicted himself in his proffer.

The prosecution then said Jake did implicate George as being involved in the planning and execution of the shootings on the night in April 2016.

Defense admits the prosecution has George as being complicit in all the charges but George had no intent towards any of it.

Right. Try to convince a jury that the bloody footprint George left at the scene shows he had no intent to facilitate any of the murders.

Based on:

He wasn't sopose to go and only went at the last minute.
He was trying to protect Jake from Billy.
He tried to talk them out of the murders.

Pike County slayings: Attorneys clash over death penalty in suspect’s murder charges

In documents filed last week, defense attorneys cited Jake Wagner’s confession. They said it contained information that his brother “was not supposed to accompany Jake and his father and only went along at the ‘last second’ to protect Jake from their father.”

They added that George Wagner “tried to talk [his family members] out of these murders.”
 
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KR imo was a big part of their plan an absolute necessity. remember it all relied on hiding the custody battle, making the rhodens look like cartel members/enemies, and leaving not one soul alive who knew the truth or extent of the custody nattle or the fight between crsr. and most importantly they could not be interrupted or let the rhodens have any warning or escape. they spent months tracking movements and selecting the most opportune time. kr was a huge threat to all of this. he would have either saved all their lives, or placed blame on the wagners resulting in either their arrest or(preferably) retribution.

kr was closest to crsr even if he wasnt at the fight he certainly knew the situation. imagine if bci knew that crsr had beaten billy and taken his weapon so soon before murders? they would have immediately been number 1 suspects. kr had a grow operation and that allowed the wagners to imo place plants if plain view for when cops came. <modsnip -no link for statement of fact>. the wagners were terrified of crsr unless he was alseep or taken by surprise. they would not have left it to chance that kr would not notice. we still dont know how entry was gained, the order of murders, or the victims last moments. but we do know the insane indifference and joy the wagners took in ending 8 lives. so it was a nightmare.
 
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I don't believe AW was home that awful night. JMO because she had too much invested in these killings to be successful. She wanted to be mother to SW and BW, she wanted them to call her 'mom'. Could she trust the three idiots to carry out their duties without her eagle eye on them and her guidance? I think not.

KR had to go as he knew all there was to know about the custody. If he had been left alive he would have mentioned this fact to LE just as a starter.

There's more to his murder though, and more than custody in the murders of the other family members. What that could be I have no clues. Not unless they knew CR Snr would have cash in his safe, JMO.
 
Covert Operative said:
Pretty sure we can add Forensic Shoe Analyst to our resume now.
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Yes! Isn't that the truth!? I learned more about shoes in 1 day than I've learned in the past 50 (or so) years! I think the defense was surprised that they couldn't overtake this man like they was hoping they could!

I really like Mr. Bodziak. He has it going on!

This is all JMO.
 
Piffcat said:
KR imo was a big part of their plan an absolute necessity. remember it all relied on hiding the custody battle, making the rhodens look like cartel members/enemies, and leaving not one soul alive who knew the truth or extent of the custody nattle or the fight between crsr. and most importantly they could not be interrupted or let the rhodens have any warning or escape. they spent months tracking movements and selecting the most opportune time. kr was a huge threat to all of this. he would have either saved all their lives, or placed blame on the wagners resulting in either their arrest or(preferably) retribution.

kr was closest to crsr even if he wasnt at the fight he certainly knew the situation. imagine if bci knew that crsr had beaten billy and taken his weapon so soon before murders? they would have immediately been number 1 suspects. kr had a grow operation and that allowed the wagners to imo place plants if plain view for when cops came. <modsnip -no link for statement of fact>. the wagners were terrified of crsr unless he was alseep or taken by surprise. they would not have left it to chance that kr would not notice. we still dont know how entry was gained, the order of murders, or the victims last moments. but we do know the insane indifference and joy the wagners took in ending 8 lives. so it was a nightmare.
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Len Manley told them the first day and everyone else in one of his first news interviews. He also said it was over a custody battle. So a lot more family members than Kenny knew about the fight and custody battle. I do not buy the W's afraid of Kenny getting revenge thinking. The R's are a close family, they all knew everything going on. Len said he and other family did work for Chris.

JMO
 
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NWLady said:
Yes! Isn't that the truth!? I learned more about shoes in 1 day than I've learned in the past 50 (or so) years! I think the defense was surprised that they couldn't overtake this man like they was hoping they could!

I really like Mr. Bodziak. He has it going on!

This is all JMO.
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There was no way they could make Bodziak’s knowledge or methods look questionable…
 
Cool Cats said:
Hi RAISINISBACK, so nice to see you posting, guess your husband is letting you keep your laptop!

Here are links:

Final Autopsy Report | PDF

• New information released in unsolved Rhoden family massacre

• https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/sta...reporters-to-inspect-slain-family-s-autopsies
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Yes!!! he is. You are a sweetheart CC. Hugs and kisses for all the times you have came to my rescue with links to articles. You do so much to help out on this forum. Many thanks.

JMO
 
The vehicle that the Wagners purchased for the murders was a key part of their getting away with it, someone said it a few days ago on this post the same thing, I think that Kenny dropped Gary off at Big Chris house that night and saw the Wagners murder vehicle setting in the driveway, right after they got through killing Big Chris, and that was why Kenny had to be killed, if you think about it Brandon Rhoden was asleep in a small camper 500ft from Kenth Rhoden camper also there was another Rhoden Brother that lived near KR, so why not kill them, (Because KR saw the killers vehicle the night of the murders) JMO
 
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