OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #70

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As long as you're not a witness, you can attend the trial. An open courtroom is a Constitutional mandate. If you are testifying, then you may be barred from the courtroom until you have finished your testimony. This would be done to assure that your testimony is not influenced by any of the other evidence presented during trial.
 
AW, would have got at least 40 years. Or no chance of being paroled. If Jake gave them the guns, and even half his story could have been proven. Let her go to trial, and prove she deserves to ever be out, to walk about freely. If she was the master mine to this killing. Why would she have received a deal? Granted we do not know all the evidence, but why make a deal with the Puppet master?
I still dont understand why she only got 30 hard years before being eligible for parole. Unless they needed her to corroborate JWs proffer and/or she dimed out prior bad acts/murders unaccounted for. Jmo and speculation.
 
Like Reader or dislike him. I believe Reader did more to solve this then anyone. Form saying it was someone local, who knew family. Calling BCI in from the start, and turning it over to them.
I am only saying if this was ME, getting a subpoena to testify. When I was given 3 years in prison, and the master mine from the largest murder case in Ohio, get a sweat heart deal like AW did. I would be one bad witness for the state.
I am not saying what he did was right, but 8 dead, and and the ring leader gets off with a chance to get out?
I still hope the prosecution, is better in the court room then what I seen so far.
I can only hope and pray, the story unravels very quickly. And all deals are off the table.
I like Reader. I'm a big fan. Personally, I think a 3 day suspended sentence would have been fine for him.
 
I still dont understand why she only got 30 hard years before being eligible for parole. Unless they needed her to corroborate JWs proffer and/or she dimed out prior bad acts/murders unaccounted for. Jmo and speculation.
I think AW may have gave information to close other cold cases. I still don't agree with the 30 years but she gave up something valuable and I personally feel it was more than collaborating JW's proffer. MMO
 
I think AW may have gave information to close other cold cases. I still don't agree with the 30 years but she gave up something valuable and I personally feel it was more than collaborating JW's proffer. MMO
MO
I agree with you about AW.
I feel she had much more valuable info to provide LE/Prosecutor beyond collaborating JW proffer, and
believe AW saw this as a chance to wield her power from prison. To be in control once again.
My opinion only:
Most likely all past bad acts of the entire Wagner Family and others in their criminal circle, criminal associates.
Quite a few cold cases may be solved once AC can reveal what AW has provided.
Maybe - thefts - fires - drug deals/drug rings - murders - Gun running - insurance scams - possibly all kinds of info .
It is my hope that AW has given up all she possibly can. Wonder if FW is concerned.
 
will the victims families get to give impact statements at the end of the trials and if so who do you think will speak?

The impact statements are given at the sentencing. I think Chris's siblings will say something and maybe Kenny's kids, maybe the Manleys. I assume there will be impact statements from some family at sentencing.

If this were to stay a DP case then there would be a second trial - the penalty phase trial (mitigation phase) to decide on the DP or not, then I think family members could give impact statements but the defense would not want this.

MOTION NO. 38: DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PROHIBIT VICTIM-IMPACT EVIDENCE DURING THE TRIAL AND, IF NECESSARY, THE MITIGATION PHASE FILED
 
That's odd. Isn't she from NE Ohio or recently retired? Or both?

Cosgrove served on the Summit County Common Pleas Court for 18 years, retiring in 2011 to care for her ill husband. According to news reports, she has been assigned to numerous high-profile cases, including many involving elected officials.

Also, not being "tied down" she can go all over and fill in for other judges. Like she replaced Judge Deering for Reader's sentencing.
 
AW, would have got at least 40 years. Or no chance of being paroled. If Jake gave them the guns, and even half his story could have been proven. Let her go to trial, and prove she deserves to ever be out, to walk about freely. If she was the master mine to this killing. Why would she have received a deal? Granted we do not know all the evidence, but why make a deal with the Puppet master?
I think they would have liked to make 4 deals, the cost of the trial will be exorbitant, never mind all the costs the county and state has already spent, their is only so much money to go around, AW and her attys must have bargained hard for her deal, she will be an old woman if she lives to the end of her sentence, she also bolsters the states case, and IMO juries occasionally go off piste and they really do not want to have to redo the trials again,

I have seen a juror vote NG in a case where defendant admitted he was guilty of some of his charges, juror still voted NG case was Orange Taylor the third, so they had to redo his trial, recently I have seen a case where a jury acquitted a man in a cold case (can't recall names) even though his DNA was a match to DNA from crime, so although I and most people expect both GW and BW to be found guilty the state still needs to get those Guilty verdicts and AW will help
 
But remember, the Rhodens and Gillys won’t ever get to see their family members again.
I have hoped JW actually became remorseful for what he did to his daughter and has to live with that thought every day…
Absolutely no comparison to the range of emotions the surviving R and G loved ones will be feeling, that is for sure.
 
The impact statements are given at the sentencing. I think Chris's siblings will say something and maybe Kenny's kids, maybe the Manleys. I assume there will be impact statements from some family at sentencing.

If this were to stay a DP case then there would be a second trial - the penalty phase trial (mitigation phase) to decide on the DP or not, then I think family members could give impact statements but the defense would not want this.

MOTION NO. 38: DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PROHIBIT VICTIM-IMPACT EVIDENCE DURING THE TRIAL AND, IF NECESSARY, THE MITIGATION PHASE FILED
The R family over shadows the G family at times. I hope they get to give an impact statement. A few years back I read posts from HG mom a few years back on a social media platform. I haven't seen anything since.
 
I think AW may have gave information to close other cold cases. I still don't agree with the 30 years but she gave up something valuable and I personally feel it was more than collaborating JW's proffer. MMO
I agree. 30 years is a sweet deal. As determined as A.C. Is to bring justice in this case, I feel that A.W. gave up something pretty heavy. I think ole gal gave up her husband. There is mention of past threats of murder and possibly murder.
 
The R family over shadows the G family at times. I hope they get to give an impact statement. A few years back I read posts from HG mom a few years back on a social media platform. I haven't seen anything since.
Right. Hannah Gilley's family members also could speak at sentencing, giving a victim impact statement.

Hannah Gilley's mom: 'Is my little girl dead?' - The …

Chris Graves
October 25th 2016


Andrea Carver bolted up in bed at precisely 3:45 a.m. April 22, sucked in her breath and gripped her chest.

A sound sleeper, Carver couldn't shake the sickening feeling that wouldn't let her rest again. So she put on a pot of coffee and got to her day.

A mother feels things.

The call came about her youngest child, Hannah Hazel Gilley, just hours later.

The caller simply said there had been an accident involving Hannah and her fiance, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden. Carver was needed up on Union Hill Road because Pike County's child protection services was going to take the couple's 6-month-old son, her grandson.

She thought of her son-in-law to be, who she knew adored her blue-eyed, blonde-haired 20-year-old daughter and their baby, Ruger Lee Rhoden.

Damn it, Frankie, she thought, you always did drive too fast. It was the only thing she ever worried about concerning him. She was going to give him a piece of her mind when she saw him.

A mother hopes against hope.

But sheriff's squad cars blocked Union Hill Road by the time she and her husband, who worked with Frankie at a local sawmill, got there. She pleaded with them to tell her what was going on. She begged for any information. She was hollering at them and, as the minutes wore on, screaming.
 
Right. Hannah Gilley's family members also could speak at sentencing, giving a victim impact statement.

Hannah Gilley's mom: 'Is my little girl dead?' - The …

Chris Graves
October 25th 2016


Andrea Carver bolted up in bed at precisely 3:45 a.m. April 22, sucked in her breath and gripped her chest.

A sound sleeper, Carver couldn't shake the sickening feeling that wouldn't let her rest again. So she put on a pot of coffee and got to her day.

A mother feels things.

The call came about her youngest child, Hannah Hazel Gilley, just hours later.

The caller simply said there had been an accident involving Hannah and her fiance, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden. Carver was needed up on Union Hill Road because Pike County's child protection services was going to take the couple's 6-month-old son, her grandson.

She thought of her son-in-law to be, who she knew adored her blue-eyed, blonde-haired 20-year-old daughter and their baby, Ruger Lee Rhoden.

Damn it, Frankie, she thought, you always did drive too fast. It was the only thing she ever worried about concerning him. She was going to give him a piece of her mind when she saw him.

A mother hopes against hope.

But sheriff's squad cars blocked Union Hill Road by the time she and her husband, who worked with Frankie at a local sawmill, got there. She pleaded with them to tell her what was going on. She begged for any information. She was hollering at them and, as the minutes wore on, screaming.
Oh cool cats, the thought of how this Mother felt makes me want to vomit. As a mother and grandmother, it completely turns my stomach inside out. I wish there were some word of comfort to offer this mother, but, there is not. I don’t believe anything will ever be able to comfort her. As for motive? Well J.W said that H.R. was exposing their daughter to inappropriate people and situations. Ok, well get some proof to back it up and let’s go to court. I’m sure she wasn’t exposing her to anything worse than what they were exposing her to. Money doesn’t make you a good person or parent! So J.W had a sexual relationship with someone underage. I’m sure a judge would be more concerned about the child’s safety than an underage sexual relationship. A relationship that both families agreed with. He may have been reprimanded, but I assure you the child’s safety would have been top priorities for the court. Motive? It was pure outrage jealousy! She no longer wanted him! This had nothing to do with his daughter. How could it have? He was willing to look his daughter in the face for the rest of his life and bold face lie to her about her mother’s murder. That right there shows 100% no concern for the child! My opinions only.
 
I agree. 30 years is a sweet deal. As determined as A.C. Is to bring justice in this case, I feel that A.W. gave up something pretty heavy. I think ole gal gave up her husband. There is mention of past threats of murder and possibly murder.
I think you may be right about possibly more murder(s), AW had something good to offer and proof.
 
I think AW may have gave information to close other cold cases. I still don't agree with the 30 years but she gave up something valuable and I personally feel it was more than collaborating JW's proffer. MMO
Agreeing to testify against her spouse? She does not legally have to do so. I'm a bit behind, but, I do not believe she was there that night. I think she stayed with the children. Those two things might have given her a lighter sentence, and, consider her age. If she testifies, and was cleared of being there that that night, she will soon be 52. She'd go up for parole at 81 ish, if I understand correctly.
 
I agree. 30 years is a sweet deal. As determined as A.C. Is to bring justice in this case, I feel that A.W. gave up something pretty heavy. I think ole gal gave up her husband. There is mention of past threats of murder and possibly murder.

Just a thought that crossed my mind back earlier; Prison may be better than her former living circumstances w/ G3. Turning him in may be a form of retribution for herself.
 
Agreeing to testify against her spouse? She does not legally have to do so. I'm a bit behind, but, I do not believe she was there that night. I think she stayed with the children. Those two things might have given her a lighter sentence, and, consider her age. If she testifies, and was cleared of being there that that night, she will soon be 52. She'd go up for parole at 81 ish, if I understand correctly.
Agree to both of your points.

Articles have come out recently regarding the average life expectancy in each US state. Ohio resident's expected lifespan is 75.3 years. Most likely she will die in prison.

Even if she survives to 81, I can't imagine how poor her quality of life would be then. At least she has been feed and minimally cared for in prison. If she does live to age 81, where would she go after she is released? Who would help take take of her? IMO, that would be a worse fate than dying in prison.

JMO
 
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Agreeing to testify against her spouse? She does not legally have to do so. I'm a bit behind, but, I do not believe she was there that night. I think she stayed with the children. Those two things might have given her a lighter sentence, and, consider her age. If she testifies, and was cleared of being there that that night, she will soon be 52. She'd go up for parole at 81 ish, if I understand correctly.

Angela was jailed at age 48. She serves 30 years - no early relese, no parole, which started November 13th, 2018.

She gets out at age 78 in the year 2048.

In case you didn't see this here is her new updated mugshot:

Current Inmate Listing - Delaware County Jail - Sheriff

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Just 3 months shy of 4 years since first arrested.
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Original mugshot from November 13, 2018

You can tell she doesn't get much sun anymore, she looks more tan and younger in first mugshot.
 
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