OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #77

[Chingaling]

Can anyone make out the convo when JW asks HR when they can go back to the lawyer?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Sadly, this is true in most states.
Both Public Defenders and Prosecutors are vastly underpaid. They could all make much more money in the private sector. Those that do this for a living have a stoic calling.

JMO
ETA - what I'm saying applies to Official State/County Prosecutors as well as State/County Public Defenders.

I don't know the pay scale involved when the State needs to hire an outside Defense Attorney.

This is JMO *since I cannot provide my proof* but I do know for certain that Mark Collins (Billy's 1st chair) DP certified attorney doesn't come cheap.

I'll try to find out how much is paid to an outside attorney who is not on their list of court appointed attorneys.

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, October 19th:
*Trial continues (Day 26) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 31) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury was seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man). 9/30/22: Ill juror replaced with alternate. 12 jurors & 5 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 5 alternates (4 women & 1 man).
Trial began with opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-24 (9/12 to 10/17/22) reference post #835 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-42
10/18/22 Tuesday, Trial Day 25: All the calls are played - but Judge Deering didn't rule on whether to play them all. Will find out tomorrow morning whether that happens. So Judge Deering rules against defense & will not allow the playing of the full recordings.
for more info see posts #843 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-43
State witnesses: BCI Agent Julia Eveslage, back on stand, discussed various recordings from wiretaps. Former BCI agent Bryan White recalled to stand. He handled a lot of crime scenes but is now a Lt. with Madison Co. Sheriff's office.
for more info see posts #843 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-43
for more info see posts #901 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-46
State witness: BCI Special Agent Jennifer Comisford testifying about when Angela Wagner brought in for handwriting analysis.
For more info see posts #908 & 911 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-46
State witness: BCI Agent Julia Eveslage, back on stand.
for more info see post #908 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-46
for more info see post #979 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-49
for more info see post #1055 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-53
State Witness: BCI forensic accounting supervisor Mike Kaizar.
for more info see post #1025 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...bers-wagner-family-arrested-77.639955/page-52
Trial continues on Wednesday, 10/19/22

 

[Myland]

Jmo something that I keep thinking about is it was said Jake said Billy came up with plan to kill them and told them what supplies needed, but if I remember correctly Billy was still talking about going to court at end of February in those text messages and Jake and Angela had already started buying supplies in Feb. Jmo

 

[sunshineray]

As much as some of us may dislike JW being her father, she did carry his last name, so SW is her initials not SR unfortunately. I'm thinking it's just a typo. Sad,

Yet I believe, IIRC, HR never put JW's name on the birth certificate. She was a child and he an adult when her child was born. That is one of the charges leveled against JW besides the murders.
After what her did, I don't believe he deserves to be called a "father". That's AJMO.

 

[sunshineray]

New thread for second afternoon session for Wagner Pike County Trial. Next up is BCI forensic accounting supervisor Mike Kaizar who has opted in


He started in private sector and investigated fraud all over the world. He says he thought it would be boring just doing criminal stuff for BCI but it has been anything but. Does drug cases/murder cases.

Says he focuses clearly on what allegations are instead of auditor who looks at everything. Looks at bank records, tax statements etc.

Finding the bank accounts is the biggest challenge for him. Once he gets them, he can start plowing through the records.

He might start with utilities - asks them through subpoena how they are paying their bills. Then finds banks and then can find the rest

Credit card purchases can take longer to post than when the purchase was actually made - especially ones from overseas. Also will flag fraud protection - like the ones made from Chinese company on George Wagner's card - and triggered fraud alert

That was me saying that about the George Wagner card - not him yet.

"Everything shows up" even when you dispute it and it comes off

He started helping on Rhoden homicide case in July or August 2016.

But also dove into the Wagner family finances after they were identified as supsects.

All the records he searched for all these accounts https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

The first shared account between Billy and Angela closed in May 2016.

He was on look at for flashlights, specialized drill bits, tactical equipment etc. ... found several of these.

Some accounts were in George's name, also shared with Jake. One purchase from that was for Winter Soldier mask as listed below, as well as lots of concrete mix.

Also he noticed several insurance payouts - my comment here - possibly from previous house fires etc. One was for $40k to George Wagner - three different ones all deposited in March 2016.

This was to the trucking company account that was in George's name.

There was also a deposit of a check from Fredericka and Bob Wagner for $33,000 into the account controlled by George IV and Angela Wagner in March 2016.

There was also a deposit of a check from Fredericka and Bob Wagner for $33,000 into the account controlled by George IV and Angela Wagner in March 2016. Then there was money transferred to another account, and that account paid a lawyer $27,000

They went into the credit card data for each person but then shut it down for the day. Kaizar will be back tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

Did the witness say what account that money, $27,000, was transferred into? Was that money from FW given to JW via that GWIV/AW account?

I wonder if this was right around the time JW started soliciting funds from the public to pay his lawyer's bills?

 

[YaYa_521]

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OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

PIKE COUNTY, Ohio — A town woke up one morning to the horror that eight people were brutally killed. The Rhoden family suffered an unthinkable loss eight times over on one late April night in 2016. And years would go by before an arrest was made, and the massacre of an entire family still...

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