OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #81

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twall said:
There are 2 incidents. One dated 08/01/22 05:12 and 10/29/22 (last Saturday) 16:37 (I think, hard to read) when GW was meeting with his attorney. So this would have been before AW's testimony.
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Well, you're all going to think I've lost my marbles, but I got out my magnifying glass to read the dates (before I read your post) and I can confirm the dates of George's dinner refusals!
 
pittsburghgirl said:
Angela won't even be able to make a living with no real work history, a prison record, no skills or education--and no kids to take care of her. She'd be better off in prison. And while I don't for one minute think she meant it when she implied there was no way to "get away" with this crime or other crimes, in a way she is right: wherever she goes, she will be the woman who conspired to murder 8 people so she could have her granddaughter to herself.
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By the time she's released, she'll probably have a work history, but won't need one (if still living).
 
pittsburghgirl said:
Maybe in her twisted mind she was "shielding" George and Jake. But this isolation of her own children occurred within the context of raising them to be criminals. So I'm not buying what she's selling. She isolated those boys to keep them in her control and in Billy's control. They were raised to lie, cheat, steal and commit arson. It would have been a lot harder to do that--to raise a pair of criminals--if they were encountering honest, normal people in school, in a neighborhood, play8ing on sports teams and on the kind of jobs teenagers get. She wasn't "shielding" them from wives and girlfriends that she ran off the farm with threats and forms of abuse. She wasn't "shielding" them from being responsible co-parents who respect the rights of the mothers of their kids.
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I don't think she ever wanted them to leave out of the family. She never wanted them in the "real" world. Just their self-contained unit and if that meant they were a crime family then so be it, she had them close. As long as they were her criminals, they were just alright with her.
 
I may have missed it but I did not see anything about Angela selling puppies during yesterday’s testimony but there’s a mention in this near the end. Not a big deal but good example of how some reporters catch different or more (or less) things that were said. They often hear the same thing but publish in different ways. AW’s testimony about George’s footprint is a good example.

local12.com

Angela Wagner ties son to crime scenes with footprints, says she regrets sons' involvement

Angela Wagner will return to the stand to testify about the murders of seven Rhoden family members and Hannah Gilley in her son, George's
local12.com local12.com
 
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Fat Old Man said:
I thought this is what the prosecution and defense agreed to. But the judge did not have to honor it, he could sentence her to more or less time. I thought the judge even brought this up at her change of plea court date? I COULD BE WRONG.
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I understood that charges could be stacked and more time served in AW's case.
 
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The defense started out by trying to paint a picture that she favored Jake over George. His attorney said- "You're up here testifying to put him on death row."
She said, "It rips my heart out." and "I love George as much as I love Jacob."

Then, he moved on to talk about Jake's daughter's care. Angela was concerned the baby was being sexually abused based on her appearance. Angela said the toddler's vaginal area appeared infected.

Angela said at first said she thought it was due to diaper cleanliness. Then, she said the child told her one of the Rhodens put things in her for bubblegum. That's when she suspected sexual abuse. So, the defense attorney said why did you not take her to a doctor?

Angela said, "I don't know why I didn't."
Nash: What steps did you take to notify law enforcement?
Angela: None. "Because we didn't believe in the justice system. We didn't believe in children services."

Nash: "Rather than devising a plan for a mass murder, did it ever occur to you to gather evidence for a court proceeding?"
Nash: For George's son, you thought the justice system was good enough. You let him go to court to get custody.

going back in to courtroom now. I will update you again at lunch.
 
Chelly said:
I wonder what would cause more charges to added.
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The prosecution would have to stack additional charges, I think, so I may have worded that wrong, but I think the judge can stack the time differently and she could serve more time. I've read this somewhere after the plea was made. I don't think he is bound by the plea. I could be wrong though.
 
rsd1200 said:
By the time she's released, she'll probably have a work history, but won't need one (if still living).
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What would she do for income? No kids to put to work. Many people won't hire violent felons, even if she weren't over 70+. She won't have much if any Social Security, no pension plan. Maybe she can live with her brother if he's still alive but beyond that, out of prison is probably worse for her than prison. But being a criminal, she won't think that far ahead.
 
Todd Dykes
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First break of the day in Pike County.. Richard Nash, one of #GeorgeWagner's two attorneys, is continuing his cross-examination of George's mom, Angela Wagner. Nash suggested Angela had a favorite son, at George's expense. Angela disputed this assertion, saying "I did not have a favorite son."

With regard to testifying against her son, George, Angela said: "It is extremely hard for me to set up here & do this." "It rips my heart out." "I love George just as much as I love Jacob."

Concerns about the child Angela's son Jake Wagner had w/ murder victim Hanna Rhoden are at the core of the #PikeCountyMassacre. Atty. Nash asked why she didn't seek medical care. Angela said, "I don't know why we didn't."

Final note before heading back to the courtroom - Prosecutors have made much of a FB message Angela saw while snooping online. Hanna Rhoden said, in effect, "They'll have to kill me first," before she would sign away custody of her daughter.

Angela the message had nothing to do w/ fueling her family's desire to kill 8 members of the Rhoden family
 
So the reporting is meh, (and the sound on one of the attorneys is bad) but the attorney discussion is worth a listen regarding some things we haven't really discussed:

Will the jury believe the child was assaulted (or in danger of so)
And
GW sentencing possibilities

 
pittsburghgirl said:
What would she do for income? No kids to put to work. Many people won't hire violent felons, even if she weren't over 70+. She won't have much if any Social Security, no pension plan. Maybe she can live with her brother if he's still alive but beyond that, out of prison is probably worse for her than prison. But being a criminal, she won't think that far ahead.
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She'd likely live out her days in a homeless shelter or quietly being a line cook, or doing laundry at a seedy motel, in return for a room. If Casey Anthony can find a way, AW will survive if she lives out the next 30 years.
 
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