OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[Trudie]

And, my apologies in advance, what the hell is wrong with his hair? Is that weird spot in the front the place where his one sick brain cell resides and misfires? I completely agree that he is some type of "path" too... those were some extremely bizarre smiles and smirks he was throwing off in the courtroom. When I went back and watched some parts of it again, the thought crossed my mind that all those expressions, as bizarre as they seemed, might be some kind of VERY skewed reaction to stress and anxiety. He's NEVER had to deal with it, as his Mommy has always come to the rescue for her baby boy. I went frame by frame at the end, and looked very, very closely at his hands... the same hands that once touched HR... the hands of a stone cold killer.

MOO, MOO, JMO.

I wondered if his smirk and grins are nervous reactions or does he feel like a celeb’ with cameras & reporters following his every move?
Thinking of his request to prevent people from talking to him in jail.......makes me think he’s already put foot in mouth & now trying to renege on what he said. IMO, he’s naive & much younger than his age & does not grasp the severity of his situation.

MOO

 

[Gracie55]

From what I’ve read about ovarian vein occlusions after birth, the diagnosis appears to be very rare. One source states this happens on 0.05% of vaginal births.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criog/2014/898342/

Symptoms include lower abdominal pain, a fever and leukocytosis (elevated white blood cell count)

Postpartum ovarian vein thrombosis. - PubMed - NCBI

HMR’s autopsy mentions that the entire ovarian vein was blocked. IMO, she wouldn’t have been feeling very well in the many hours/day before her death. While she already would have been feeling sore and fatigued from giving birth, these symptoms should have been exacerbated due to the OVT, along with a fever and her body trying to fight the OVT. As a woman who had given birth just 2.5 years prior with her first child, I’m unsure why HMR didn’t seek medical attention . Perhaps she thought her recovery was just a little tougher the second time around. I don’t know. I guess I just find it out of sorts, especially since an OVT seems to be a rare thing to happen.

Maybe she put off going in to be seen because of money. Going to the dr is expensive for some.

 

[Trudie]

Maybe she put off going in to be seen because of money. Going to the dr is expensive for some.

Poor girl. Maybe she was so exhausted she didn’t realize she had an issue.
Jmo

 

[Betty P]

And, my apologies in advance, what the hell is wrong with his hair? Is that weird spot in the front the place where his one sick brain cell resides and misfires? I completely agree that he is some type of "path" too... those were some extremely bizarre smiles and smirks he was throwing off in the courtroom. When I went back and watched some parts of it again, the thought crossed my mind that all those expressions, as bizarre as they seemed, might be some kind of VERY skewed reaction to stress and anxiety. He's NEVER had to deal with it, as his Mommy has always come to the rescue for her baby boy. I went frame by frame at the end, and looked very, very closely at his hands... the same hands that once touched HR... the hands of a stone cold killer.

MOO, MOO, JMO.

His smiling and facial twitching in his most recent court appearance is disturbing. Why in the world would you smile at the judge while on trial for mass murder of 8 innocent people? The more I see of JW, the more creepy he appears. Something is very "off" with him.

Jake Wagner appears in Pike County court for first pretrial in Rhoden family murder case

 

[Gracie55]

Poor girl. Maybe she was so exhausted she didn’t realize she had an issue.
Jmo

True. It takes some effort to get there, especially if you're wondering if you are really having an issue or are just recuperating slowly. With a financial issue you might wait even longer.

His smiling and facial twitching in his most recent court appearance is disturbing. Why in the world would you smile at the judge while on trial for mass murder of 8 innocent people? The more I see of JW, the more creepy he appears. Something is very "off" with him.

Jake Wagner appears in Pike County court for first pretrial in Rhoden family murder case

Do the allow a doctor to prescribe meds to help calm the defendant? Maybe he's smiling bc he's plastered w sedatives.

 

[Trudie]

True. It takes some effort to get there, especially if you're wondering if you are really having an issue or are just recuperating slowly. With a financial issue you might wait even longer.

Do the allow a doctor to prescribe meds to help calm the defendant? Maybe he's smiling bc he's plastered w sedatives.

Actually, in other pre court pics, I’ve seen the same expression. Maybe it’s normal for him?
But coupled with his request for jail staff to not speak to him, does he believe he’s now “famous”. Has he self elevated to celebrity status? I’ve heard of (for ex) a rock star or pro athlete making an appearance but requests no one approach or speak to him.
For some reason, I picture him “blabbing” in jail. His mom isn’t there to elbow him, to stifle him.

 

[Gracie55]

Actually, in other pre court pics, I’ve seen the same expression. Maybe it’s normal for him?
But coupled with his request for jail staff to not speak to him, does he believe he’s now “famous”. Has he self elevated to celebrity status? I’ve heard of (for ex) a rock star or pro athlete making an appearance but requests no one approach or speak to him.
For some reason, I picture him “blabbing” in jail. His mom isn’t there to elbow him, to stifle him.

I picture them making statementnts at him like "How tough do you feel now, coward?" Something pointed about what a corrupt snake he is.
(Can they do that? I have no idea how rude guards can get or if the have to be as peachy as kindergarten teachers and remain professional. I'm sure their charges tempt them to react.)

 

[pepper 34]

Thank you, I learned something tonight! I had always assumed they were a matched pair.
His right lung was 480 grams, the left was 260 grams. Do those numbers fall in line?

Normal organ weights in men: part II-the brain, lungs, liver, spleen, and kidneys. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Dudly]

Purely hypothecial and only my opinion, CR1 could have had abdominal trauma around the time of his parents separation. That trauma may or may not have been self inflicted and required medical intervention. Again, just my opinion and insight.

When I read the autopsies, I concluded the fractures in his vertebrae and arm were from bullets. IIRC, the unredacted prelim autopsies revealed he had been shot in the thorax (torso). A bullet traveling through the thoracic cavity could very likely fracture the spine. The same with the bullet to his arm. That most likely would have fractured one or both bones in his arm. I’m still personally undecided when it comes to CR1 being physically assaulted. Nine bullets to the body is extensive and would cause immense physical damage to the body. The number of bullet wounds alone would make someone appear to be battered. JMO.

Total agreement here with the broken bones. I also assumed the broken bones were bullet damage, especially the forearm. I do not think he was beaten as BMJ thought when she saw him. I'm sure he did look like that, though. He had to be a black and blue bloody mess...

 

[Trudie]

I picture them making statementnts at him like "How tough do you feel now, coward?" Something pointed about what a corrupt snake he is.
(Can they do that? I have no idea how rude guards can get or if the have to be as peachy as kindergarten teachers and remain professional. I'm sure their charges tempt them to react.)

They are on camera, in most areas. I see it possibly being JW initiating convo. Then foot in mouth & now he’s twisting things to cover his mistake. JMO
The guards make shift reports, etc.,we’ve heard nothing about any issues from any jail, have we? Gag order is working, evidently.

By now, I would THINK JW has spent enough time with his legal team for them to notice his “glee” & realize they must address it. Maybe he’s socially awkward & just does not know what’s appropriate in certain situations. Idk

MOO

 

[Dudly]

LOL @ mercurochrome! My grandmother used to cover my mosquito bites with that stuff when I was a child. Mosquitoes loved me (they’d still do) and I would look like I had red polka dots from head to toe from granny’s doctorin’

I know what you mean about 'Skeeters. They come from miles around to feast on me. I always figured I must have good blood. And of course, I itch for a couple days after I get bit.

 

[Trudie]

I picture them making statementnts at him like "How tough do you feel now, coward?" Something pointed about what a corrupt snake he is.
(Can they do that? I have no idea how rude guards can get or if the have to be as peachy as kindergarten teachers and remain professional. I'm sure their charges tempt them to react.)

I don’t think guards would call him names & talk to him about his case. He might say they do but the guards have protocol.
I was hoping the Judge would say “I’m going to have you put in ad seg’ & you’ll be alone 23/7, no one will have access to you.”
I looked on the jail site, he’s in with some “bad boys”. Older, wiser guys. Guys I would assume to be much “slicker”, so he probably should just shut up. If he’s concerned already, IMO, he has said something & someone on the inside is harassing him. By inside I mean inmate.
The guards see these people in/out daily, over the course of their career. JMO

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Are we allowed to discuss the tattoo/s of W4? My question would be regarding timing (not meaning) of the tattoo/s.

 

[Dudly]

I’ve honestly never thought about that. It is widely known that a lot of murderers do keep trophy’s of their killings and again that comes back to the psychological aspect.

I’m not sure what I think. I think the bullet wounds and certain aspects of the condition of the victims has something to do with the extensive redaction. I also believe there was intentional over redaction in a sense to cause confusion. Some things that are redacted are easy to tell that it’s simple notations of that specific anatomical site being WNL (within normal limits).

Things that stuck out to me in the autopsies were HMR having a foam cap on her mouth as well as an ovarian artery embolism that was present before death. Both of those notations are concerning to me.

I still do no understand why CR1 was more decomposed than the other 7 victims. I also find it interesting that both HHG and KR has gunshot
wounds to the eye. As far as we know, they are the only two who were shot in the eye.

I’m rambling, I apologize. I could go on and on about different aspects that leave me puzzled. As always, all JMO.

I've thought that HHG's gunshot to the eye could have been "accidental" from all the bullets she took to the head. KR I'm not sure what to think. It had to really be up close and personal if it was on purpose or someone that is REALLY accurate shooting.

 

[Trudie]

I've thought that HHG's gunshot to the eye could have been "accidental" from all the bullets she took to the head. KR I'm not sure what to think. It had to really be up close and personal if it was on purpose or someone that is REALLY accurate shooting.

A shot in the eye seems like a signal, “you ain’t seeing nothing else”. Surely all victims found in bed were not sleeping soundly. Maybe the first one, but would someone not hear something before the murderer got to them? I would. But, I’m a light sleeper, unfortunately.

 

[Dudly]

BBM
I've speculated that the Ws may have purchased the "specific" shoes from walmart so that the sizes and tread would blend in with the same shoes that the R's and HHG's wore. It's entirely possible, though, that they were trying to frame someone else. DeWine did say, loosely quoting, that they went to great lengths to avoid capture.

I keep a pair of Muck Boots by the door. Comfortable and all-weather. We mostly just have rat snakes around our place but there are rattlesnakes, and copperheads, in parts of the state. Good thing you had yours on that day!

I have also thought it was shoes to match what the Rs wore so any prints would be indistinguishable from the Rs prints. It could also have been an attempt to frame someone. They were definitely bought for use in the murders according to DeWine...

 

[Trudie]

I have also thought it was shoes to match what the Rs wore so any prints would be indistinguishable from the Rs prints. It could also have been an attempt to frame someone. They were definitely bought for use in the murders according to DeWine...

I think to match right in with preexisting prints too, Dudly.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Maybe she put off going in to be seen because of money. Going to the dr is expensive for some.

Mmtheyvwere all on Medicaid

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I believe HR had a c-section and not a vaginal birth. Ovarian vein occlusion is more likely with c-section. Also if she had a c-section delivery of her first baby that would increase the risk as well.

She did not have a csection. Her birth was vaginal. Per DR’s fb post the morning of K’s birth, the photos shared show a normal delivery room, no blue OR gowns or caps and HMR holding her newborn baby on her chest. Those aren’t normal occurrences immediately after a csection-I’ve been there and done that a few times. JMO.

ETA-that sounds rude now that I re read it. No rudeness meant in any way. Ahhh..sometimes the tone is lost in typing versus speaking. I promise my reply was kind.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

So do you think the killers took some kind of sick trophy before they left that night?

The W's were big on trophy's. All those deer heads in their house tells us that. So I am going to say it's possible.

JMO