OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

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Trudie said:
Oh, I can’t go here....not before bed, lol.
It’s so hard to say.
We have to remember, according to the indictments, the hacking & other surveillance tape activities started in 2014.
I believe July, 2014. If anyone has the indictment handy, maybe post that section, for reference. Please

what the hell happened prior to 07/2014 that required the W’s to begin hacking the Rs? IMO, that’s where the motive began. Any idea? Anyone?
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See, that's the thing I don't get, HMR was still head over heels, in love with her "best friend" on 8/26/2014, see Twitter, and they had a wedding date set for their 5th anniversary, of 8/27/2015 (Twitter). If you look at CG's FB, there's also a photo of the HMR, and you can clearly see her tatted wedding band that was spoken of, too. Permission is required for tatts, if you're a minor, in OH... j.s. A parent approved the band, or someone did it illegally.
 
Cool Cats said:
o_O
Yes, and I (my 2 cents) do think it's possible ONE reason Jake wanted full custody was to be able to move up there and take Sophie with him, which of course is exactly what he did.
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I didn't think that G4 came back til right before they nailed them, or do you mean G3? Sorry, all the double names in this case get confusing.
 
rsd1200 said:
I didn't think that G4 came back til right before they nailed them, or do you mean G3? Sorry, all the double names in this case get confusing.
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All the Wagners moved back to Ohio last April. It was mentioned in MSM and I can look for link. And George went back to working for his mom.
 
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rsd1200 said:
See, that's the thing I don't get, HMR was still head over heels, in love with her "best friend" on 8/26/2014, see Twitter, and they had a wedding date set for their 5th anniversary, of 8/27/2015 (Twitter). If you look at CG's FB, there's also a photo of the HMR, and you can clearly see her tatted wedding band that was spoken of, too. Permission is required for tatts, if you're a minor, in OH... j.s. A parent approved the band, or someone did it illegally.
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I agree.

What significance is 07/2014 that evidently got the ball rollin’?
 
We will never know, would this have happened if anyone had spent the night? I assume the W’s knew (from surveillance) or would notice vehicles (upon arrival). Or would the presence of others thwarted the plan?
If guests had stayed over, the victims may have stayed up later, etc.
 
rsd1200 said:
See, that's the thing I don't get, HMR was still head over heels, in love with her "best friend" on 8/26/2014, see Twitter, and they had a wedding date set for their 5th anniversary, of 8/27/2015 (Twitter). If you look at CG's FB, there's also a photo of the HMR, and you can clearly see her tatted wedding band that was spoken of, too. Permission is required for tatts, if you're a minor, in OH... j.s. A parent approved the band, or someone did it illegally.
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Weirder, the stuff that began in 07/14 is thru 05/17. WHAT? Lol

So, intermittently they ceased said behavior only to resume 7-8 mo this later?
SMH
 
Cool Cats said:
All the Wagners moved back to Ohio last April. It was mentioned in MSM and I can look for link. And George went back to working for his mom.
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I had heard that, but GW4 still had Kenai on his FB, and his mother had posted that she couldn't wait to see him, this past Oct. So he was def back when TB filed papers for amended visitation! (Idk if that's the right term but she did file )
 
Reading 18 & 19 makes me wonder who the tech junkie is?
It sounds pretty sophisticated, imo

......thinking. If the hacking, etc., began in 07/14, perhaps as far back as late ‘13 something went awry. It would take some time for a hacker to get established, imo.
They are charged with getting into Rs cable boxes, phones & computers, intercepting, procuring help, etc.
 
rsd1200 said:
I had heard that, but GW4 still had Kenai on his FB, and his mother had posted that she couldn't wait to see him, this past Oct. So he was def back when TB filed papers for amended visitation! (Idk if that's the right term but she did file )
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Thankx. It must have only been Jake and Angie who moved back in April.
 
Trudie said:
Read this again~is it not just crazy so many intended to sleep over that fateful night? Even crazier, lives were saved over a toothache, missed exit & a girlfriend. JMO
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Yes crazy. It makes me wonder if Gary was only killed because he happened to be staying with Chris vs. being intentionally targeted.

I used to theorize that HG was in wrong place wrong time but now I think she was targeted. There was extreme over kill (5 shots) which shows it was personal, and she was likely a "bridge" between HR and her brother Charlie when they started dating.

Jake and Hanna were still living together when she got pregnant with Charlie's baby, which leads me to think this situation was a catalyst for Jake.
 
rsd1200 said:
I'm not sure if they are required to report in Ohio or not but I think that they are in some states. However, here's a list of mandatory reporters, and it seems no one thought to report. Maybe they weren't seen by anyone much other than some church folks, teachers, and her doc. Clergy, teachers and doctors are all mandatory reporters though. I'd say it's the culture here. Her parents were 16 when they married, FR was 16 or 17 when he and CRob had their child, dating young, marrying young, and having babies young is sometimes generational too.

ODJFS Online | Office of Families and Children
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I have a relative in the area who is a Dr. and retired. She says yes those things should be reported. Often times they are not at free clinics for several reasons.

Historically girls give birth 2-3 years of the time puberty starts. When parents are aware and implied consent there is still a belief to get them married off young. Pregnant or not, it might not have been an abusive relationship and medical providers feel strongly that girls will not seek medical care, if the State/CPS gets involved and their baby daddy goes to jail.

My aunt went so far as to say that it might have been probable that FW got involved and promised that everything was fine and that all parties would be cared for properly. My aunt said I would be shocked at the number of times CPS looks the other way when the wealthy become involved.

And there are times when parents think it a good thing for their kids to marry up. JW May have been pretty wealthy in another decade.
 
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Trudie said:
Reading 18 & 19 makes me wonder who the tech junkie is?
It sounds pretty sophisticated, imo

......thinking. If the hacking, etc., began in 07/14, perhaps as far back as late ‘13 something went awry. It would take some time for a hacker to get established, imo.
They are charged with getting into Rs cable boxes, phones & computers, intercepting, procuring help, etc.
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Since AW was military she has to be inteiilgent. We are not certain of her training or assignment while serving.

Perhaps it was intelligence or even IT. I STILL THINK she was the brains in all this.
 
Charliegizmo49 said:
Since AW was military she has to be inteiilgent. We are not certain of her training or assignment while serving.

Perhaps it was intelligence or even IT. I STILL THINK she was the brains in all this.
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Does anyone know what level she made it to while in the military service? Or a way that there is access to find that information?
 
Cool Cats said:
Yes crazy. It makes me wonder if Gary was only killed because he happened to be staying with Chris vs. being intentionally targeted.

I used to theorize that HG was in wrong place wrong time but now I think she was targeted. There was extreme over kill (5 shots) which shows it was personal, and she was likely a "bridge" between HR and her brother Charlie when they started dating.

Jake and Hanna were still living together when she got pregnant with Charlie's baby, which leads me to think this situation was a catalyst for Jake.
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How is it that you know JW and HHR were still living together when she got pregnant by CG?
 
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