The W4 have 3 counts of evidence tampering but 4 counts of burglary and 1 count of wire intercepts.
Which location didn't have evidence tampering?
Does the wire intercept mean 1 location, 1 device or is it a broad charge (like conspiracy) that covers everything?
If someone hacked my phone they would hear my phone calls but they wouldn't be able to visually see very much except for the ceilings and inside of my purse.
If they hacked into security cameras then could they heat anything?
The trials can't happen soon enough for me...so many questions.
Good questions. Thinking out loud:
4 counts of aggravated burglary (against each of the Wagner 4) applies to
all 4 addresses where victims were murdered. From what I understand from reading, these charges apply to the murders. You don't have to steal anything to be charged with burglary, you just have to break into their home
while committing any criminal offense.
To me, this also means LE doesn't think the killers were invited into the homes of the victims.
3 counts of tampering with evidence- Counts 15, 16 and 17. Applies to each Wagner 4. They're specific to the type of evidence tampered with
Count 15 - Dated
April 22, 2016 - the day of the murders - refers to altering, destroying, removing, etc.
phones, cameras or other unidentified items belonging to victims
Count 16 - Dated
April 3, 2016 - refers to misrepresenting, using etc. any document known to be false -
custody documents
Count 17 - Dated
January 1, 2016 through May 9, 2017 - refers to altering, concealing, removing, destroying, etc.
silencers, shell casings, parts of home security system, and/or other unidentified items
Count 15 isn't address specific, so it doesn't tell us which crime scenes has phones, cameras, etc. removed or destroyed during the murders. They apply to tampering done the day of the murders.
Count 17 is more interesting because it applies from Jan 1, 2016 - May 9, 2017 - around the time the W's were preparing to move to AK, also around the same time the GPS devices were on James Manley and Jake Wagner's trucks. The problem is that, aside from ammo, etc. it only applies to parts of a home security system and/or other identified items. WRT the home security systems taken from crime scenes (or owned by perps), did they hang onto them after they were taken? Or does it refer to something that had monitored the R family home security systems? IDK?
Interception of Wire, Oral, or Electronic Communications
Count 20 - All 4 W's charged. Dated
July 1, 2014 through May 9, 2017 - same ending date as Count 17
- refers to
intercepting, attempting to intercept or procuring another person to intercept
wire, oral or electronic communications
Timeline around May 9, 2017
April 28 - James Manley finds GPS tracker and removes it
May 3 - LE interviews Jake and Angela Wagner
Approx May 5 - Jake asks Mr. Brown if he can store some trailers w/ their possessions at his farm
May 8 - LE interviews GW3
May 12 - LE conducts search of Wags farm on Peterson Rd
Assume May 9 in the charges above refers to the day the W's officially moved out of their farm on Peterson Rd. So, on that day, JW stopped intercepting some kind of wire, oral or electronic communications. Since this involved moving their possessions, I'm going to guess it involved stopping something he had running on a computer or something.
Most interesting is that, whatever or however he was monitoring someone's electronic, wire, oral, etc communications,
he was still doing so up until May 9, 2017. JMO, that means he was monitoring someone who was still alive. If it was a listening device in a home, car or cell phone, it was property that was still being used and had not been destroyed or taken into evidence. He wouldn't have continued to monitor HMR's phone if he had already taken and destroyed it. He wouldn't have still been monitoring any of the victims' home security systems or listening to house bugs, as the trailers had been searched and moved into storage.
I'm also guessing the charge refers to multiple acts of electronic, oral, etc interception. Or would they need separate counts for each phone, bugging device, etc.? Let's ask gitana or someone.
Whose cell phone, computer, etc. was still being monitored by the W4 on the day they moved out of their home on Peterson Rd?
Hope all this makes sense, haha. What do you all think?
