OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#43

[Loomis124]

F Wagners maiden name is Jacobs. Freda Nxttxr Cyrxs passed away in 2001. Her husband Thomas referenced in the state filings associated with the church passed away in 1987.

The deceased Fredas maiden name (associated with the church records) is also Angela's Moms birth name. It was changed when she was 5 years old. (Edit:deleted the last sentence originally in this paragraph)

"LEGAL NOTICE Notice is hereby given that Rita Jo Nutter, by and through her next friend, Nxrx Lee Bxxsler. of South Webster. Scioto County, Ohio, will file her petition in the Probate Court of said county praying for an order of said court authorising the change of her name from Rita Jo Nutter to Rita Jo Beesler. Said petition will be for hearing before said court on the 24th day of June, 1958. at 10:00 a rn. or as soon j thereafter as the court may hear the same. "

Portsmouth Times Newspaper Archives, May 24, 1958, p. 17

OMG. This information is pure gold and I can't even begin to comprehend it all yet.

Can you please say again? AW's mom, Rita, is related to the Cyrus family? Sorry, reacting without time for thinking. JMO. And TY

 

[Loomis124]

Jmo not complaining at all about the state paying was showing the state didn’t pay for all Jmo

No, the balances owed came out of the victims' probate. Here is the link, but you have to look up for each one. Rhoden, Christopher, Sr., and on and on.

Pike County Juvenile/Probate Court

 

[Betty P]

RAYMOND BROWN

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4396266/state-v-brown/?

What a disgusting man. He raped a girl under the age of 13, assuming she was one of the kids attending FW's church.

You know hindsight is really an interesting thing. After reading these 10-2016 articles again it just brings up to me again that the LE putting that tracker on JM's truck 6 months later could have been they were fearful, for whatever reasons known to them, that JM might go vigilante. Having him destroy it and be arrested not very long after gave them a way to really scare him out of that mindset and make it seem to the public that he may be involved, keeping the W's off guard. The text thing BCI told LM still confuses but could have been a planted red herring?

JMO, LE were just going after the wrong people (the Manleys) for the first year. Something happened when they arrested JM or around that time that made them finally accept it was the Wagners who did it. I have a feeling we'll eventually learn what made the investigation finally turn in the right direction. Maybe it was something they discovered that they weren't expecting. Maybe it was something JM told them.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Since GW3 and AW were prosecuted in the past for theft, etc., they would have been on LE's radar. If GW3 was fencing stolen goods with any of the Rhodens, LE would have picked up on that and arrested them.

W's supporters can spin all they want but the evidence will speak for itself. Evil people with possible connections to white supremacist groups (based on GW3's tatts).

I agree with you Betty but do you know the media plus help from some of the Wagners put it on TV about the Rhoden had some marijuana (baby) plants growing and they where the worst of the worst people for it and I believe that is what the killers wanted to do runion the name of the victims, the news media needs to apologize to the Rhoden families, the only thing I think they where guilty of was trusting a bunch of low life serial killers that should have been in prison a long time ago.

 

[Tiff23fr]

What a disgusting man. He raped a girl under the age of 13, assuming she was one of the kids attending FW's church.


JMO, LE were just going after the wrong people (the Manleys) for the first year. Something happened when they arrested JM or around that time that made them finally accept it was the Wagners who did it. I have a feeling we'll eventually learn what made the investigation finally turn in the right direction. Maybe it was something they discovered that they weren't expecting. Maybe it was something JM told them.

The most disgusting part is he had a criminal history before becoming a youth minister in the church. Who allows that?

 

[rsd1200]

The most disgusting part is he had a criminal history before becoming a youth minister in the church. Who allows that?

Youth minister + any criminal history = PASS.

 

[Puzzles8]

No specific comment. FW is going to take care of herself first and foremost. Secondly, Robin. JMO

I believe the charges against FW will continue to spawn and people all over those surrounding counties and everywhere who have done business with her (one of which used to be a very good friend of mine) will watch in awe as her empire falls in shame, much like Calumet Farm did after the death of Alydar.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/features/alydars-final-hours-21207

In the 4/13/2017 press conference DeWine said -

"this investigation has provided him with new knowledge of decades of criminal activity in PC. I read it as the murder investigation may have inadvertently solved many previous unrelated crimes (drugs, murders, money laundering, fraud?). Biggest investigation in BCI history."

I remember they seized business records from FW's Crystal Springs "non-profit" and also maybe her church..............

Who knows what else they found during those raids? We don't even know where many of the raids were executed.

 

[Betty P]

The way I see it is NO ONE should complain about one single penny paid out of the State of Ohio to bury 8 victims shot to death in their own homes! If I lived in that state and was having to pay taxes to fund the Wagners' attorneys and every little thing the crybabies want, I would be leading a riot! JMO!

Agree. That's the purpose of the Victims of Crime Compensation Fund - to provide financial assistance to victims of crimes.

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...-Families/Victims/Crime-Victim-Comp-Form.aspx

The Ohio Victims of Crime Compensation Program helps victims with certain out-of-pocket expenses caused when people are physically injured, emotionally harmed or killed by violent criminal acts. Program costs are paid by criminal fines and not by Ohio’s taxpayers.

 

[Betty P]

I agree with you Betty but do you know the media plus help from some of the Wagners put it on TV about the Rhoden had some marijuana (baby) plants growing and they where the worst of the worst people for it and I believe that is what the killers wanted to do runion the name of the victims, the news media needs to apologize to the Rhoden families, the only thing I think they where guilty of was trusting a bunch of low life serial killers that should have been in prison a long time ago.

Yes, absolutely, the Rhodens, both victims and surviving family members deserve an apology from the news media and LE for the way they were treated.

 

[Cool Cats]

No specific comment. FW is going to take care of herself first and foremost. Secondly, Robin. JMO

I believe the charges against FW will continue to spawn and people all over those surrounding counties and everywhere who have done business with her (one of which used to be a very good friend of mine) will watch in awe as her empire falls in shame, much like Calumet Farm did after the death of Alydar.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/features/alydars-final-hours-21207

I am sure they tried to find some connection between her and the meticulous planning and spying and buying that occurred from January 1st 2016 through April 22, 2016.

If she is tied into any of that in any way then there is the possibility it will come out during the trials, perhaps through witness testimony. But getting on the stand and saying she was involved would just be hearsay without actual evidence.

And that is my point. If she was involved they would likely have discovered that in the evidence by now because they have so much evidence that newspapers don't even list it all.

.............................Question......................................

If she knew they were planning murder but did not conspire or help them in any way, and there was evidence to support this, could she be charged?
Or be sued in Civil Court by the victim's families?

 

[Betty P]

I am sure they tried to find some connection between her and the meticulous planning and spying and buying that occurred from January 1st 2016 through April 22, 2016.

If she is tied into any of that in any way then there is the possibility it will come out during the trials, perhaps through witness testimony. But getting on the stand and saying she was involved would just be hearsay without actual evidence.

And that is my point. If she was involved they would likely have discovered that in the evidence by now because they have so much evidence that newspapers don't even list it all.

.............................Question......................................

If she knew they were planning murder but did not conspire or help them in any way, and there was evidence to support this, could she be charged?
Or be sued in Civil Court by the victim's families?

That's the big question right now, JMO. How much did she know and when? As for other criminal activity, we shouldn't assume there isn't evidence out there. The murders of 8 family members, though, makes for a very complicated investigation and series of trials. Could be prosecutors want to focus on putting the murderers of the Rhoden/Gilleys in jail before tackling other crimes. Jurors can only focus and deliberate on just so much in complex trials.

 

[rsd1200]

I am sure they tried to find some connection between her and the meticulous planning and spying and buying that occurred from January 1st 2016 through April 22, 2016.

If she is tied into any of that in any way then there is the possibility it will come out during the trials, perhaps through witness testimony. But getting on the stand and saying she was involved would just be hearsay without actual evidence.

And that is my point. If she was involved they would likely have discovered that in the evidence by now because they have so much evidence that newspapers don't even list it all.

.............................Question......................................

If she knew they were planning murder but did not conspire or help them in any way, and there was evidence to support this, could she be charged?
Or be sued in Civil Court by the victim's families?

BBM, if I read this right, according to who knows, and the situation, no, and yes.
2921.22 Failure to report a crime or knowledge of a death or burn injury.

(A)

(1) Except as provided in division (A)(2) of this section, no person, knowing that a felony has been or is being committed, shall knowingly fail to report such information to law enforcement authorities.

(2) No person, knowing that a violation of division (B) of section 2913.04 of the Revised Code has been, or is being committed or that the person has received information derived from such a violation, shall knowingly fail to report the violation to law enforcement authorities.

(B) Except for conditions that are within the scope of division (E) of this section, no person giving aid to a sick or injured person shall negligently fail to report to law enforcement authorities any gunshot or stab wound treated or observed by the person, or any serious physical harm to persons that the person knows or has reasonable cause to believe resulted from an offense of violence.

(C) No person who discovers the body or acquires the first knowledge of the death of a person shall fail to report the death immediately to a physician or advanced practice registered nurse whom the person knows to be treating the deceased for a condition from which death at such time would not be unexpected, or to a law enforcement officer, an ambulance service, an emergency squad, or the coroner in a political subdivision in which the body is discovered, the death is believed to have occurred, or knowledge concerning the death is obtained. For purposes of this division, "advanced practice registered nurse" does not include a certified registered nurse anesthetist.

(D) No person shall fail to provide upon request of the person to whom a report required by division (C) of this section was made, or to any law enforcement officer who has reasonable cause to assert the authority to investigate the circumstances surrounding the death, any facts within the person's knowledge that may have a bearing on the investigation of the death.

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(G) Divisions (A) and (D) of this section do not require disclosure of information, when any of the following applies:

(1) The information is privileged by reason of the relationship between attorney and client; physician and patient; advanced practice registered nurse and patient; licensed psychologist or licensed school psychologist and client; licensed professional clinical counselor, licensed professional counselor, independent social worker, social worker, independent marriage and family therapist, or marriage and family therapist and client; member of the clergy, rabbi, minister, or priest and any person communicating information confidentially to the member of the clergy, rabbi, minister, or priest for a religious counseling purpose of a professional character; husband and wife; or a communications assistant and those who are a party to a telecommunications relay service call.

(2) The information would tend to incriminate a member of the actor's immediate family.

 

[Puzzles8]

Also, pretty sure FW and the F. Cyrus listed here are one and the same. JMO

In the document, F. Cyrus is listed as Freda Cyrus. Might this be Fredericka's mother?

 

[Puzzles8]

I am sure they tried to find some connection between her and the meticulous planning and spying and buying that occurred from January 1st 2016 through April 22, 2016.

If she is tied into any of that in any way then there is the possibility it will come out during the trials, perhaps through witness testimony. But getting on the stand and saying she was involved would just be hearsay without actual evidence.

And that is my point. If she was involved they would likely have discovered that in the evidence by now because they have so much evidence that newspapers don't even list it all.

.............................Question......................................

If she knew they were planning murder but did not conspire or help them in any way, and there was evidence to support this, could she be charged?
Or be sued in Civil Court by the victim's families?

The only obvious possible connection between the planning phase and the murders I see are FW's Amazon a/c's.

 

[Puzzles8]

I don't think the rape case being referenced is applicable to the murders. I do feel these are the same church. The filing references are all within the same Fredericka Wagner Lucasville Mission filing on Secretary of State. The later dated image below also references it go back to FWagner.

The pastor who recently spoke on her behalf shares the same last name but it's hard to say if they are related.

"In a letter supporting Wagner's request, Pastor Aaron David Spencer wrote that she "needs the spiritual strength she gains from attending our Praise and Worship."

https://bizimage.sos.state.oh.us/api/image/pdf/5887_1172

Grandma in Pike Co. massacre case asks to attend church

In the bizimage document linked above, I noticed the secretary of that church was Annie Spencer - maybe the Pastor's wife?

 

[Puzzles8]

No specific comment. FW is going to take care of herself first and foremost. Secondly, Robin. JMO

I believe the charges against FW will continue to spawn and people all over those surrounding counties and everywhere who have done business with her (one of which used to be a very good friend of mine) will watch in awe as her empire falls in shame, much like Calumet Farm did after the death of Alydar.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/features/alydars-final-hours-21207

The story of Alydar is heartbreaking. But sadly happens with expensive horses that are past their prime. An acquaintance of mine was in vet school to become an equine vet. One summer she interned with one of the top equine vets in the area. She saw first hand the underbelly of the horse world and equine vets, the stories were awful. It impacted her so much, when she went back to school that fall, she changed her major to small animals.
Barn fires are also used to get insurance money. FW had a terrible barn fire in 1986, I think about 30 horses were killed, including her top horse Boy Blue (along with all of her breeding records, how convenient.......).
Interesting that the R & R was Alydar's vet also.........

 

[Cool Cats]

That's the big question right now, JMO. How much did she know and when? As for other criminal activity, we shouldn't assume there isn't evidence out there. The murders of 8 family members, though, makes for a very complicated investigation and series of trials. Could be prosecutors want to focus on putting the murderers of the Rhoden/Gilleys in jail before tackling other crimes. Jurors can only focus and deliberate on just so much in complex trials.

Right. I see all this evidence and think that's it, they got it all. And I forget that more evidence actually could turn up.

.......My 2 Cents about Fred......

I think it's possible FW heard the 4 discussing their plans and I think this is what really bothers people about her. Through her own behavior she has become the type of person, many think, who could know about murder and not stop it.

Nobody thinks that we wouldn't put a stop to murder. People don't see us as this type of person but many people do see FW as being this type. Her reputation is in tatters.

If she has any close friends none of them are going on record to say she is a good person, just her attorney. Maybe they are all in shock that she would sit by and let her family discuss possibly murdering the Sheriff, AG, a BCI Agent, and anyone else who goes against her family.

 

[rsd1200]

In the document, F. Cyrus is listed as Freda Cyrus. Might this be Fredericka's mother?

She was born in 1914, and passed in 2001. Her mother was a Nutter. Her father a Shaver. Her name was Freda Crystal Cyrus.

 

[Puzzles8]

She was born in 1914, and passed in 2001. Her mother was a Nutter. Her father a Shaver. Her name was Freda Crystal Cyrus.

Ahhhhh...this is getting a little creepy, and extremely hard to follow family trees.
Getting to sound a bit like a country song!

 

[rsd1200]

In the bizimage document linked above, I noticed the secretary of that church was Annie Spencer - maybe the Pastor's wife?

I think it is just affirming their 501(c)3 status. Possibly a change in language that was necessary that year. It looks like they almost missed their date too.