OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#43

[sunshineray]

This is something I've wondered about. Would it be possible to house a commercial grow op in CRsr's trailer? I noticed a long gray windowless building behind the trailers, might they have been growing in there? How many square feet would be needed for it to be considered a commercial op? Equipment, air circulation, water and light?

In Ohio having more than 200g right up to 1000g, aound 7 oz up to 35 oz, starts the felony charges. Even if you were growing it without all the fancy equipment if you produce 7 oz you get 5th degree felony charge. I can't find the actual term "commercial" grow

 

[sunshineray]

Where did you hear that? It is untrue.

Here is why the tracker was put on the truck..

Warrant: Investigators put GPS tracker on truck of Rhoden victim's brother

Loomis, was it discussed and investigated here on WS as to what the provenance of that truck was? It was touched on elsewhere but all that info is gone now. I don't want to bring rumor here so was wondering if anything concrete was discovered by WS?

 

[sunshineray]

BBM, if I read this right, according to who knows, and the situation, no, and yes.
2921.22 Failure to report a crime or knowledge of a death or burn injury.

(A)

(1) Except as provided in division (A)(2) of this section, no person, knowing that a felony has been or is being committed, shall knowingly fail to report such information to law enforcement authorities.

(2) No person, knowing that a violation of division (B) of section 2913.04 of the Revised Code has been, or is being committed or that the person has received information derived from such a violation, shall knowingly fail to report the violation to law enforcement authorities.

(B) Except for conditions that are within the scope of division (E) of this section, no person giving aid to a sick or injured person shall negligently fail to report to law enforcement authorities any gunshot or stab wound treated or observed by the person, or any serious physical harm to persons that the person knows or has reasonable cause to believe resulted from an offense of violence.

(C) No person who discovers the body or acquires the first knowledge of the death of a person shall fail to report the death immediately to a physician or advanced practice registered nurse whom the person knows to be treating the deceased for a condition from which death at such time would not be unexpected, or to a law enforcement officer, an ambulance service, an emergency squad, or the coroner in a political subdivision in which the body is discovered, the death is believed to have occurred, or knowledge concerning the death is obtained. For purposes of this division, "advanced practice registered nurse" does not include a certified registered nurse anesthetist.

(D) No person shall fail to provide upon request of the person to whom a report required by division (C) of this section was made, or to any law enforcement officer who has reasonable cause to assert the authority to investigate the circumstances surrounding the death, any facts within the person's knowledge that may have a bearing on the investigation of the death.

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(G) Divisions (A) and (D) of this section do not require disclosure of information, when any of the following applies:

(1) The information is privileged by reason of the relationship between attorney and client; physician and patient; advanced practice registered nurse and patient; licensed psychologist or licensed school psychologist and client; licensed professional clinical counselor, licensed professional counselor, independent social worker, social worker, independent marriage and family therapist, or marriage and family therapist and client; member of the clergy, rabbi, minister, or priest and any person communicating information confidentially to the member of the clergy, rabbi, minister, or priest for a religious counseling purpose of a professional character; husband and wife; or a communications assistant and those who are a party to a telecommunications relay service call.

(2) The information would tend to incriminate a member of the actor's immediate family.

And yet she's not charged with that particular crime, 2921.22 It would seem they don't have the evidence to prove that.

 

[sunshineray]

I'll go back and listen to that again. I assume that was in his PC after the arrests?

If they had enough evidence for arrests, they should have gone forward with that, JMO. They wouldn't have kept trying to publicly pin it on both JM and his sister BJM.

If they had enough evidence for arrests, they would have searched the W properties and found more evidence before the W's had a chance to destroy or hide it. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they did find the evidence. I just don't see any justification for allowing the case drag on for nearly 3 years if they had enough evidence in the first 6 months to arrest.

I think it was more evidence was needed to convict, to be sure of convictions. Once arrested discovery process starts.

Some people are allergic to it too. I've a friend who is allergic, and Roger Daltrey is pretty open about his allergy to weed.

I also have a friend now who's allergic to MJ. She has MS and doctor thought it would help her pain management but she can't tolerate it in any form.

 

[Cool Cats]

In Ohio having more than 200g right up to 1000g, aound 7 oz up to 35 oz, starts the felony charges. Even if you were growing it without all the fancy equipment if you produce 7 oz you get 5th degree felony charge. I can't find the actual term "commercial" grow

Here is a Rhoden article using the term COMMERCIAL GROW. At least one was an indoor grow and there were several hundred plants worth $500,000.
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4 possible motives in Pike County Ohio murders

"The marijuana grow operations that authorities
discovered appeared to be for commercial use and not personal use.

The marijuana grow operations were not simply a few random plants in a field somewhere, the Columbus Dispatch reported from an interview with Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk.

He told Dispatch reporters that at least one was indoors and there appeared to be several hundred plants.

“It wasn’t just somebody sitting pots in the window,” Junk told the Dispatch.

"CBS This Morning" reported that the street value of the marijuana found is nearly $500,000. "

 

[Betty P]

Here is a Rhoden article using the term COMMERCIAL GROW. At least one was an indoor grow and there were several hundred plants worth $500,000.
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4 possible motives in Pike County Ohio murders

"The marijuana grow operations that authorities
discovered appeared to be for commercial use and not personal use.

The marijuana grow operations were not simply a few random plants in a field somewhere, the Columbus Dispatch reported from an interview with Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk.

He told Dispatch reporters that at least one was indoors and there appeared to be several hundred plants.

“It wasn’t just somebody sitting pots in the window,” Junk told the Dispatch.

"CBS This Morning" reported that the street value of the marijuana found is nearly $500,000. "

Oh, well. LE no longer thinks it was a big enterprise. They've state the motive was custody of the daughter of HMR and JW. I'm not sure why we're still talking about the grow ops at the homes. It's really not relevant anymore.

Not sure how we're going to get through the last few weeks before the next hearings, but I have a couple of suggestions:

1. Take all these links that haven't been saved and place them in the Media & Timelines thread for the Rhoden Murders.
2. Write a case summary that we can have posted on the first page of the next thread. Include links to the indictments and other links that people frequently ask for

Just some suggestions of things that would really help here and save folks a lot of trouble in trying to copy and paste the same links again and again.

TIA

 

[Betty P]

Loomis, was it discussed and investigated here on WS as to what the provenance of that truck was? It was touched on elsewhere but all that info is gone now. I don't want to bring rumor here so was wondering if anything concrete was discovered by WS?

Yes, it was discovered the truck had been owned by someone who lived north of Peebles, OH. Prior to that, it was owned by a woman who had murdered her husband some years before. There was a period of time when it wasn't being driven and it was speculated that it had spent time in a LE impound lot. There was also a high amount of miles accumulated on the truck before it was sold to JM.

The information should still be back there in previous threads, it just wasn't discussed at the time of JM's arrest. It took a while for people to begin looking into the strange arrest of JM.

ETA: Most of the info we developed came from our own members research, not from the news media. The news media didn't do much reporting on the truck. Once JM was let out on bail, the story disappeared from the news media for quite a while.

 

[sunshineray]

Here is a Rhoden article using the term COMMERCIAL GROW. At least one was an indoor grow and there were several hundred plants worth $500,000.
**********************************************
4 possible motives in Pike County Ohio murders

"The marijuana grow operations that authorities
discovered appeared to be for commercial use and not personal use.

The marijuana grow operations were not simply a few random plants in a field somewhere, the Columbus Dispatch reported from an interview with Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk.

He told Dispatch reporters that at least one was indoors and there appeared to be several hundred plants.

“It wasn’t just somebody sitting pots in the window,” Junk told the Dispatch.

"CBS This Morning" reported that the street value of the marijuana found is nearly $500,000. "

Wow so CBS reported that 200 plants found had street value of 500 grand! The "commercial" I was refering to not seeing was on the sites where the penalties for marijuana possesion and selling were listed. I couldn't find what in the eyes of the law in Ohio constitutes a commercial grow. I only found the amounts to where it goes from misdemeanor to felony charges.

Ohio Marijuana Laws - FindLaw

 

[sunshineray]

Oh, well. LE no longer thinks it was a big enterprise. They've state the motive was custody of the daughter of HMR and JW. I'm not sure why we're still talking about the grow ops at the homes. It's really not relevant anymore.

Not sure how we're going to get through the last few weeks before the next hearings, but I have a couple of suggestions:

1. Take all these links that haven't been saved and place them in the Media & Timelines thread for the Rhoden Murders.
2. Write a case summary that we can have posted on the first page of the next thread. Include links to the indictments and other links that people frequently ask for

Just some suggestions of things that would really help here and save folks a lot of trouble in trying to copy and paste the same links again and again.

TIA

I really do think it will be brought up by the defense though. That is if it even gets to trial stage for the 4 W's. Maybe there will be pleas, who knows.

 

[sunshineray]

Yes, it was discovered the truck had been owned by someone who lived north of Peebles, OH. Prior to that, it was owned by a woman who had murdered her husband some years before. There was a period of time when it wasn't being driven and it was speculated that it had spent time in a LE impound lot. There was also a high amount of miles accumulated on the truck before it was sold to JM.

The information should still be back there in previous threads, it just wasn't discussed at the time of JM's arrest. It took a while for people to begin looking into the strange arrest of JM.

ETA: Most of the info we developed came from our own members research, not from the news media. The news media didn't do much reporting on the truck. Once JM was let out on bail, the story disappeared from the news media for quite a while.

Then a far as is known the truck was either sold to JM by the woman's family or possibly he got it from a sale by LE of impounded vehicles. I just don't understand the whole used in aggravated murder but yet ownership can't be publically traced to the W's. If anyone buys a vehicle, even privately, they have to show the title to get it registered. That warrant really perplexes me. Thanks for the info Betty!

 

[iridized]

Oh, well. LE no longer thinks it was a big enterprise. They've state the motive was custody of the daughter of HMR and JW. I'm not sure why we're still talking about the grow ops at the homes. It's really not relevant anymore.

Not sure how we're going to get through the last few weeks before the next hearings, but I have a couple of suggestions:

1. Take all these links that haven't been saved and place them in the Media & Timelines thread for the Rhoden Murders.
2. Write a case summary that we can have posted on the first page of the next thread. Include links to the indictments and other links that people frequently ask for

Just some suggestions of things that would really help here and save folks a lot of trouble in trying to copy and paste the same links again and again.

TIA

LE has never said anything other than it was a big operation and we do not know whether it is relevant to this case or not. For all we know the Wagners could have fronted them the money to set up the grow operation and failed to pay them back, or any other myriad of reasons. As much as some would like to negate that the Rhodens had a COMMERCIAL GROW, the Attorney General stated that there was an UNDERCURRENT OF DRUGS RELATED TO THIS CASE. Likewise, the Rhodens could have been responsible for the crimes that had been discovered or solved dating back decades due to this investigation for all we know.

 

[rsd1200]

Oh, well. LE no longer thinks it was a big enterprise. They've state the motive was custody of the daughter of HMR and JW. I'm not sure why we're still talking about the grow ops at the homes. It's really not relevant anymore.

Not sure how we're going to get through the last few weeks before the next hearings, but I have a couple of suggestions:

1. Take all these links that haven't been saved and place them in the Media & Timelines thread for the Rhoden Murders.
2. Write a case summary that we can have posted on the first page of the next thread. Include links to the indictments and other links that people frequently ask for

Just some suggestions of things that would really help here and save folks a lot of trouble in trying to copy and paste the same links again and again.

TIA

That was from 2016. Showing four possible motives.

 

[Dudly]

Here is a Rhoden article using the term COMMERCIAL GROW. At least one was an indoor grow and there were several hundred plants worth $500,000.
**********************************************
4 possible motives in Pike County Ohio murders

"The marijuana grow operations that authorities
discovered appeared to be for commercial use and not personal use.

The marijuana grow operations were not simply a few random plants in a field somewhere, the Columbus Dispatch reported from an interview with Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk.

He told Dispatch reporters that at least one was indoors and there appeared to be several hundred plants.

“It wasn’t just somebody sitting pots in the window,” Junk told the Dispatch.

"CBS This Morning" reported that the street value of the marijuana found is nearly $500,000. "

How many times did the news media have info wrong in the first few months or more. Just saying...

 

[Cool Cats]

Wow so CBS reported that 200 plants found had street value of 500 grand! The "commercial" I was refering to not seeing was on the sites where the penalties for marijuana possesion and selling were listed. I couldn't find what in the eyes of the law in Ohio constitutes a commercial grow. I only found the amounts to where it goes from misdemeanor to felony charges.

Ohio Marijuana Laws - FindLaw

Thankx for clearing that up, I thought you were referring to an article referencing the Rhoden commercial grows.
At this point it's a moot subject and I agree with Reader, to move on from it.

A family member did state Chris grew a "felony" amount of weed, but again that is neither here nor there and doesn't matter now, except as to the fact getting all the land and property returned to the families---and not SEIZED.

I agree with @Betty P that organizing the articles so they are easy to find is a good idea.

 

[rsd1200]

In Ohio having more than 200g right up to 1000g, aound 7 oz up to 35 oz, starts the felony charges. Even if you were growing it without all the fancy equipment if you produce 7 oz you get 5th degree felony charge. I can't find the actual term "commercial" grow

BBm
It means it is not for personal consumption, it was to sell. At the point in time at the murders, weed was illegal in Ohio. It probably will come up in court but the deceased can't be charged with the crime.

Christopher Rhoden Sr. operated a commercial marijuana growing operation on his property "with the purpose of distributing the marijuana," according to Attorney General Mike DeWine's office.

What we know: Pike County massacre 1 year later

“They weren’t doing this in their garden,” he said. “They were doing this to sell.”

Did a drug cartel execute Pike County family?

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Has the prosecutors been mistreating or making errors? That’s the only hope the W’s have IMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Here is a Rhoden article using the term COMMERCIAL GROW. At least one was an indoor grow and there were several hundred plants worth $500,000.
**********************************************
4 possible motives in Pike County Ohio murders

"The marijuana grow operations that authorities
discovered appeared to be for commercial use and not personal use.

The marijuana grow operations were not simply a few random plants in a field somewhere, the Columbus Dispatch reported from an interview with Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk.

He told Dispatch reporters that at least one was indoors and there appeared to be several hundred plants.

“It wasn’t just somebody sitting pots in the window,” Junk told the Dispatch.

"CBS This Morning" reported that the street value of the marijuana found is nearly $500,000. "

Where is your photo proof, No matter what male/female and starter plants are consider full grown street value even seeds, when you get caught but LE.

 

[sunshineray]

Thankx for clearing that up, I thought you were referring to an article referencing the Rhoden commercial grows.
At this point it's a moot subject and I agree with Reader, to move on from it.

A family member did state Chris grew a "felony" amount of weed, but again that is neither here nor there and doesn't matter now, except as to the fact getting all the land and property returned to the families---and not SEIZED.

I agree with @Betty P that organizing the articles so they are easy to find is a good idea.

I think the grows will become part of any trials, if there are trials. I'm not trashing the R family just playing devil's advocate. We don't know exactly what evidence the LE has against the 4 W's. I do feel that if their cases go to trial the defense will have to bring forth something as an alternative senario to why the R's were murdered. They will continue to downplay the custody issue and most likely offer another reason to cast reasonable doubt. I believe it could be the grows. jmo

 

[Deleted member 239597]

They might if they've followed the case. But therefore they should have answered affirmative and then been disqualified as a juror. They wouldn't be told by the court.

https://scholarship.law.missouri.ed...eferer=&httpsredir=1&article=2173&context=mlr

I am not a professional in the legal field but googled why one would motion to appear without restraints but also why there would be motion to appear in normal street clothes....there is a third there motion they can file as well in this link: the courtroom be free of heavily armed persons (I think I got this right lol). ALL THIS IS to keep the premise that a person is innocent until proven guilty. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, which clearly has been honored with the purchasing of the vest) if one is a flight risk etc. the hidden restraints become a part of that solution. This is all to maintain human dignity in our Country.

I KNOW I might be bashed for this....I am with many about the humanity and dignity taken away from the victims and am well aware of this. I'm just stating that in a court of law, as the law states a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty at which time shackles and jail uniform is warranted. It is very common to see the request. It has nothing to do with anything but that law.

I'm new to the forum and have been following this case since day one. I've seen all sorts of comments and well thought out things on this forum. I admire the respect everyone gives here in this forum about this case especially as it is such a sensitive case to begin with. This being said I'm on page 13 of this 49 page discussion and do have input. If the INPUT has already been cleared with other posts I will read later, I am sorry just take what I say for face value please.

It is in my opinion that when the county and city and state mention the budget cap on everything that isn't to be taken lightly. If anyone wants to actually SEE the budget for Pike County Ohio or any town thereof it is public knowledge by going to the government web page and searching the town's budget where you will see that the police department and judicial system is only a fraction of what the city is putting money into. The money needs to come from somewhere. It would be a crying shame if these cases were botched because of the lack of funds is all I'm saying.

There was a comment that FW had NO PULL in the town or county that she lived. It is stated that she is one of the top land owners in that town/county? Worth 3 million (if I'm mistaken and that number is larger or smaller I'm sorry but I did read more than 2 million) Whether it's in assets or cash at hand that political clout is most certainly there. Her business is pulling in revenue for the state ….unless she is defrauding in taxes she is paying somehow. So do NOT be fooled into believing he has no pull. I am hoping beyond hopes that her financial pull has NO BEARING in these trials IF....I SAY IF because we've not seen everything we need to …… These individuals are guilty. I have my own personal belief, however, my belief is not supported by evidence and therefore I need to be cautious of what I say.

IF these individuals are found guilty by REASONABLE DOUBT and FW is in on this mess....an atrocity and crime against humanity.....NO ONE DESERVES to be murdered in cold blood like that.... IF they are GUILTY THE DEATH PENALTY IS TOO GOOD for them even. THAT IS MY OPINION....THEY IF THEY ARE GUILTY have DESTROYED lives and MORE lives than the eight that they have been accused of murdering ….they murdered the hopes and dreams and futures of three very precious lives directly and they have RUINED the hearts of many family members and friends. So you see....where I am coming from there. NOW IF they are found guilty and directly have proof of all this.....I think FW, knowing full well what went on....even if she wasn't in on the conspiracy and her knowledge came afterwards...and she is guilty of covering up....should be MADE TO PAY BACK TO THE COUNTY AND STATE what is spent on the investigation and trial not to mention...all the family members to be made monetary compensation (which will NOT MAKE THINGS RIGHT) to the family of the deceased including and not limited to the MOST MONEY going to those three children again who were at the scene when it happened.

THAT is my two cents and thoughts. I'm NOT GOING against the premise of innocent until proven guilty again....I reiterate IF....and ONLY IF there is REASONABLE DOUBT about it.....GBU ALL

 

[Deleted member 239597]

A possibility is not a crime, but the possibility of the Wagners trying to escape or trying to wreck havoc on authorities, is actually real.

The Wagners talked about revenge and escape but never ACTED on it, but there's the possibility they could act on it if let out on bail.

I knew an inmate in prison and he told his sister over the recorded phone line that he wanted to try to escape. The next week, without explanation, he was transferred to a higher security level.

Did he try to escape? No. Was it a possibility? Yes.
Talking about it wasn't enough for it to be a "ticket" (disciplinary write up) but it was enough to watch him more carefully.

My 2 Cents.....anyone else?

My 2 cents is that the fact that after the Rhoden's left pike county to move to Alaska during an active investigation of five brutal murders warrants such an action. You can't take the reasoning behind someone you suspect for that move seriously when you have mounting evidence against them. So this into account I think this could be taken into consideration as well if they do feel they are a risk of escaping. Threats too are threats....if they are caught and one get's out they are to break the others out? If I heard that correctly in the pretrial hearings or indictments.....I forgot which.