OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#49

[Cool Cats]

Why was not bond revoked on the spot? I don't understand the need for a hearing. She did or didn't accept calls. If she did, bond revoked...

BBM

Here's the reason bond was not revoked on the spot:

Pike Co. prosecutors want to revoke grandmother's bond

Prosecution files motion to revoke Newcomb’s bond - Times Gazette

"...But the state announced its plan to file a motion asking for Newcomb to go back to jail.

The state said it plans to present evidence in court next month that Newcomb allegedly had conversations with her daughter.

Both sides will head back to court for pre-trial motions on Aug. 28..."

"...Pike County Court of Common Pleas Judge Randy Deering set Aug. 28 as a day to hear oral arguments on the prosecution’s motion to revoke Newcomb’s bond...

Deering said he takes very seriously any violations of the terms of Newcomb’s release, but added conversations between Newcomb and Wagner, in which they discussed the case, would exacerbate the situation..."

As is pointed out, above, there are 2 things wrong with what Rita did:

#1. She had contact with Angela.
#2. She actually discussed the case with Angela. ( I assume they discussed their court cases but won't know for sure until the hearing.)

I wonder if Rita refrains from contact with Angela between now and August 28, if she will remain on house arrest?

If she does accept any calls from Angela -- Delaware County Jail Inmate -- between now and August 28, I am %100 sure her house arrest will be revoked and she will be remanded to jail.

 

[Cool Cats]

I totally agree! Judge Deering was way too lenient on her today. IMO, actions speak louder than words, in both hers and his. She was clearly in violation of her bond, and JD gave RN nother free month to continue talking to AW. What a shame, IMO. And great disrespect to the Proecution on the Judge's part, IMO.

Judge had no choice. Have to follow protocol. See above post...( #1591 )

The description by Canepa, of the phone conversations, sounds incriminating and very deliberately done by both---they admitted as much. Those conversations were not a simple "mom I had to hear your voice and how is grandma doing?"

And those conversations were not a "one off," not just a couple phone calls, sounds like quite a few.

For these reasons I think there is a 75% chance Rita will end up back in jail.

If she stays out of jail I'm guessing it would be because she is her mother's care giver.

....My 2 Cents....

 

[Loomis124]

Rhoden Murders Thread Housekeeping Note:

Hi All,

In case you haven't noticed, our threads have been moved to the Trials section here at WS. We still have a Media & Timelines thread back in the Crimes In the News section where we've been storing video, news stories and copies of documents related to the a arrests and pre-trial hearings of the Wagners.

Here in the Trials section, we have the opportunity to create a new reference thread for court docs related to the Wagner family trials. We can post one thread for all the trial docs for the 5 defendants or we can see about posting separate reference threads for each defendants. What do you think? How would you like to see this information organized as we get closer to trial time? There will doubtless be many pages of evidence, filings and trial transcripts.

Please provide feeback, thanks!

Rhoden Murders Thread Housekeeping Note:

Hi All,

In case you haven't noticed, our threads have been moved to the Trials section here at WS. We still have a Media & Timelines thread back in the Crimes In the News section where we've been storing video, news stories and copies of documents related to the a arrests and pre-trial hearings of the Wagners.

Here in the Trials section, we have the opportunity to create a new reference thread for court docs related to the Wagner family trials. We can post one thread for all the trial docs for the 5 defendants or we can see about posting separate reference threads for each defendants. What do you think? How would you like to see this information organized as we get closer to trial time? There will doubtless be many pages of evidence, filings and trial transcripts.

Please provide feeback, thanks!

Separate IMO

 

[Puzzles8]

My suggestion:
One running media thread for all of us to post documents/links to. And a 2nd thread that summarizes information by month. Kind of a cross reference, like the one I did to connect past threads here.
Betty, if this makes any sense, I'd be glad to help.
Bottom line it is your call.
Great thanks to you do for keeping us on track as well as providing invaluable reference links to "historical" information!

 

[YESorNO]

Pike Co. grandmother still facing obstruction, perjury charges may have bond revoked

July 25, 2019

"Bond for the Pike County grandmother still facing charges in connection with the brutal, execution-style murders that claimed the life of eight members of the Rhoden family in April 2016 may be revoked if the state of Ohio gets their way, our partners at FOX 19 reported.

Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk and Special Prosecuting Attorney Angela Canepa filed a motion to revoke the bail of Rita Newcomb during what was supposed to be her final court appearance Thursday afternoon.

They say Newcomb has been talking to her daughter Angela Wagner, who is one of four members of Wagner’s family charged with murder in the slaying of the Rhoden family...

The judge acknowledged that a violation of bond is a very serious offense and reiterated to Newcomb that ‘no contact means no contact.’

He set a date of Aug. 28 at 1 p.m. to discuss that motion and the three other remaining motions.

All parties also agreed to set a date of Aug. 5 as a deadline for filing pretrial motions.

Rita Newcomb is charged with obstruction of justice, perjury, and three counts of forgery.

Her final pretrial hearing was scheduled for June 14, but was continued and her trial was rescheduled for Oct. 21...."

Pike Co. grandmother still facing obstruction, perjury charges may have bond revoked

 

[Cool Cats]

Pike Co. grandmother still facing obstruction, perjury charges may have bond revoked

July 25, 2019

"Bond for the Pike County grandmother still facing charges in connection with the brutal, execution-style murders that claimed the life of eight members of the Rhoden family in April 2016 may be revoked if the state of Ohio gets their way, our partners at FOX 19 reported.

Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk and Special Prosecuting Attorney Angela Canepa filed a motion to revoke the bail of Rita Newcomb during what was supposed to be her final court appearance Thursday afternoon.

They say Newcomb has been talking to her daughter Angela Wagner, who is one of four members of Wagner’s family charged with murder in the slaying of the Rhoden family...

The judge acknowledged that a violation of bond is a very serious offense and reiterated to Newcomb that ‘no contact means no contact.’

He set a date of Aug. 28 at 1 p.m. to discuss that motion and the three other remaining motions.

All parties also agreed to set a date of Aug. 5 as a deadline for filing pretrial motions.

Rita Newcomb is charged with obstruction of justice, perjury, and three counts of forgery.

Her final pretrial hearing was scheduled for June 14, but was continued and her trial was rescheduled for Oct. 21...."

Pike Co. grandmother still facing obstruction, perjury charges may have bond revoked

Thankx @YESorNO I didn’t know about the August 5th deadline.

“All parties also agreed to set a date of August 5th as a deadline for filing pretrial motions.”

 

[Betty P]

I would think the separate threads for each defendant would be more efficient as far as accessing information during the course of each trial since they will all be conducted at different times. One thread for all 5 would leave us searching through previous trials to find the one that is going on at that particular time.

JMO

Separate IMO

Thanks everyone for your feedback. This is a group project, so everyone's opinion is important. I'll run the idea past the Mods of creating a separate Media thread for each of the W4 and see what they think. We'll really need a way to organized this once the trials begin.

ETA: I also messaged the Mods to ask for a new main thread as this one is now up to page 80. If you notice a thread getting long, don't hesitate to ask them to start a new one.

 

[Loomis124]

Interesting article in the Portsmouth Daily Times July 25 about Scioto County Commissioners questioning Sheriff Domini's vehicle purchases. I won't post a link.

 

[Loomis124]

Thanks everyone for your feedback. This is a group project, so everyone's opinion is important. I'll run the idea past the Mods of creating a separate Media thread for each of the W4 and see what they think. We'll really need a way to organized this once the trials begin.

ETA: I also messaged the Mods to ask for a new main thread as this one is now up to page 80. If you notice a thread getting long, don't hesitate to ask them to start a new one.

Thank you so very much, Betty, for all you do for us!

 

[Cool Cats]

Former police chief voted in as interim Pike County Sheriff during Reader’s suspension
Former police chief voted in as interim Pike County Sheriff during Reader’s suspension
[URL='https://www.nbc4i.com/news/']NEWS
by: NBC4 Staff

Posted: Jul 25, 2019 / 10:36 PM EDT / Updated: Jul 25, 2019 / 10:36 PM EDT[/URL]

PIKE








https://www.nbc4i.com/news/former-p...ike-county-sheriff-during-readers-suspension/

According to Pike County Democratic Party chairman David DeWitt, former





Piketon police chief Jim Nelson was voted in as the interim sheriff by the Pike County Democratic Party committee at a special meeting at Piketon High School Thursday night.

The move comes after Charles Reader was suspended from the office earlier this month after a grand jury returned a 16-count indictment against him. Reader is accused of theft in office and tampering with evidence, among other crimes.

Because Reader ran and was elected as a Democrat, the party had to decide who would serve as the interim sheriff.

Nelson will start as sheriff immediately. It is unclear how long he will serve as sheriff.

Reader’s next court date is scheduled for Aug. 12.


Nelson named interim sheriff

• By Matt Lucas Managing Editor
  
• Jul 25, 2019 Updated 8 hrs ago
  
• 0

 

[Fletcher73]

BBM
So Rita who claims she is too broke to pay for anything was accepting expensive collect calls from an inmate in the county jail? Which by the way she had to agree to accept. So by my reckoning it went something like this, Computer generated voice: "This is a collect call from an inmate in a *advertiser censored* county jail will you accept the charges?"Rita: "Yes". So according to her she didn't have caller ID so if she didn't know it was Angie calling her, then who did she think it was? Just how many people does she know who is an inmate in *advertiser censored* county jail? JMO

True - when my relative was jailed, every call was very expensive - shockingly expensive, and collect, which I had to agree to, to accept the charges. It wasn't the phone company either, nor the government, but the prison contractor charging the calls - which were recorded - which was mentioned each time, when the spiel asked if I would accept the call.
I just say this because that's why I don't believe RN didn't know the call was from AW. The thing is, the judge, prosecutors and defense attorneys all know this, as well.

 

[Cool Cats]

True - when my relative was jailed, every call was very expensive - shockingly expensive, and collect, which I had to agree to, to accept the charges. It wasn't the phone company either, nor the government, but the prison contractor charging the calls - which were recorded - which was mentioned each time, when the spiel asked if I would accept the call.
I just say this because that's why I don't believe RN didn't know the call was from AW. The thing is, the judge, prosecutors and defense attorneys all know this, as well.

Delaware County OH Jail is a county jail facility located in Ohio. Delaware County OH Jail is located at 844 US 42 North Delaware , OH 43015. Delaware County OH Jail's phone number is 740-833-2840

HOW DOES AN INMATE MAKE A PHONE CALL FROM DELAWARE COUNTY JAIL?

Collect Calls

Almost every jail, including Delaware County Jail, will allow inmates to contact pre-approved friends and family members' phones by calling collect.

This is typically the most expensive way to contact people by phone and in many cases, it requires credit approval or a deposit to be made into a third-party phone company account through a contract with the jail.

Direct Calls

Many jails are now contracting with a third party service (for a fee) that is less expensive and allows your inmate to use their phone system to make direct calls to your land line or cell phone.

To find out about Delaware County Jail phone services, call 740- 833-2840.

IMPORTANT TIPS ABOUT JAIL PHONE CALLS

Many jails and prisons are increasingly restricting the amount of time that an inmate can use the phone by placing daily and monthly limits, so try to pace yourself and not use up all your time at the beginning of the month.

Jails limit an inmate's phone time to certain hours of the day, so it is important you keep a regular schedule that works for both you and your inmate.

If your inmate does not call you during the time you both have scheduled, don't panic. There are often long lines for phone use. When a jail is on lockdown due to a fight or other security issue they do not allow the phones to be used.

Phones are the only way for an inmate to hear your voice and temporarily 'escape' the loneliness of incarceration, so use your time well. Arguing about anything will leave you both feeling empty and guilty, so avoid it at all costs.

All phone conversations are recorded. Whatever you talk about, can and will be used against your inmate in court. Never discuss their pending criminal case!

Also, be warned that some phone providers are collecting voice prints for a databasewhich law enforcement agencies are building.

Delaware County Jail located in Delaware OH (Ohio)

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Former police chief voted in as interim Pike County Sheriff during Reader’s suspension
Former police chief voted in as interim Pike County Sheriff during Reader’s suspension
NEWS
by: NBC4 Staff

Posted: Jul 25, 2019 / 10:36 PM EDT / Updated: Jul 25, 2019 / 10:36 PM EDT

PIKE

According to Pike County Democratic Party chairman David DeWitt, former





Piketon police chief Jim Nelson was voted in as the interim sheriff by the Pike County Democratic Party committee at a special meeting at Piketon High School Thursday night.

The move comes after Charles Reader was suspended from the office earlier this month after a grand jury returned a 16-count indictment against him. Reader is accused of theft in office and tampering with evidence, among other crimes.

Because Reader ran and was elected as a Democrat, the party had to decide who would serve as the interim sheriff.

Nelson will start as sheriff immediately. It is unclear how long he will serve as sheriff.

Reader’s next court date is scheduled for Aug. 12.


Nelson named interim sheriff

• By Matt Lucas Managing Editor
  
• Jul 25, 2019 Updated 8 hrs ago
  
• 0

Wasn't the sheriff before Reader suspended too? Henderson or something wasn't it? I forgot what he was suspended for. Isn't that why Reader was sheriff when the murders occurred? Strange two sheriff's one right after the other suspended. Then bringing in another LEO from the area to replace them. Maybe Pike county should go out of the area for their next sheriff?

JMO

 

[Dudly]

Wasn't the sheriff before Reader suspended too? Henderson or something wasn't it? I forgot what he was suspended for. Isn't that why Reader was sheriff when the murders occurred? Strange two sheriff's one right after the other suspended. Then bringing in another LEO from the area to replace them. Maybe Pike county should go out of the area for their next sheriff?

JMO

Sheriff Henderson resigns.
Henderson steps down as sheriff

A little on the problems in the Pike County Sheriff Dept...
The turmoil at the Pike County Sheriff's Office

All the former Pike County Sheriffs
Past Sheriffs

 

[Rutledge203]

Delaware County OH Jail is a county jail facility located in Ohio. Delaware County OH Jail is located at 844 US 42 North Delaware , OH 43015. Delaware County OH Jail's phone number is 740-833-2840

HOW DOES AN INMATE MAKE A PHONE CALL FROM DELAWARE COUNTY JAIL?

Collect Calls

Almost every jail, including Delaware County Jail, will allow inmates to contact pre-approved friends and family members' phones by calling collect.

This is typically the most expensive way to contact people by phone and in many cases, it requires credit approval or a deposit to be made into a third-party phone company account through a contract with the jail.

Direct Calls

Many jails are now contracting with a third party service (for a fee) that is less expensive and allows your inmate to use their phone system to make direct calls to your land line or cell phone.

To find out about Delaware County Jail phone services, call 740- 833-2840.

IMPORTANT TIPS ABOUT JAIL PHONE CALLS

Many jails and prisons are increasingly restricting the amount of time that an inmate can use the phone by placing daily and monthly limits, so try to pace yourself and not use up all your time at the beginning of the month.

Jails limit an inmate's phone time to certain hours of the day, so it is important you keep a regular schedule that works for both you and your inmate.

If your inmate does not call you during the time you both have scheduled, don't panic. There are often long lines for phone use. When a jail is on lockdown due to a fight or other security issue they do not allow the phones to be used.

Phones are the only way for an inmate to hear your voice and temporarily 'escape' the loneliness of incarceration, so use your time well. Arguing about anything will leave you both feeling empty and guilty, so avoid it at all costs.

All phone conversations are recorded. Whatever you talk about, can and will be used against your inmate in court. Never discuss their pending criminal case!

Also, be warned that some phone providers are collecting voice prints for a databasewhich law enforcement agencies are building.

Delaware County Jail located in Delaware OH (Ohio)

 

[Rutledge203]

What's strange to me is the "Preapproved" list. Is that per the prison or inmate. Certainly doesn't seem to be by Court Order (Gag Order).
MOO

 

[Mudflap]

"Almost every jail, including Delaware County Jail, will allow inmates to contact pre-approved friends and family members' phones by calling collect."

I'm wondering how those calls were approved.

 

[Merrygirl]

The murders took place in Pike County and Scioto County (DR's house was across the Scioto County line). So, yeah, the prosecutors undoubtedly took all that into consideration when the drew up the indictments.

As for Fred Wagner, she has properties all over the place, in different counties. Who knows where she actually lives on any given day. Actually, as long as she doesn't try to skip town, who cares?

The state has strong evidence against RN. It's nearly an open and shut case, JMO. She forged those documents. Her attorney doesn't have much more to work with, but he has to do his job and ask for dismissal on whatever grounds he can come up with. It's what he's being paid to do.

JMO

JMO, but it shouldn’t matter that the documents state in Pike Co. Actually it even supports AC’s case. If she can prove HR was in Pike Co at the time the docs were forged in Scioto Co OR she can prove AW did the forging of all 3 docs while in Pike Co but RN claims she witnessed and was in Scioto Co then that supports the case.

 

[Cool Cats]

What's strange to me is the "Preapproved" list. Is that per the prison or inmate. Certainly doesn't seem to be by Court Order (Gag Order).
MOO

The pre-approved list is for the people the inmate wants to talk to on the phone or the people the inmate wants to have visit. You have to be pre-approved to communicate in any way with an inmate:

Phone, skype, e-mail, letters, in-person visits.

Visiting Inmates at Delaware County Jail (Angela's jail)

Who CANNOT visit:

-former inmate of any correctional system
-anyone who is currently under probation or parole supervision
-any current inmate in pre-release or SIP status
-any current or former COUNTY employee
-any current, active volunteer of the COUNTY
-any current or former contract employee
-any victim of the inmate
-any visitor who has had his/her visiting privileges suspended
-any visitor that has an active PFA against them

For an inmate to be visited by anyone who is not permitted, the inmate must initiate the request to have a prohibited visitor added to his/her visiting list, and a recommendation must come from the inmate’s unit team. The facility manager or designee may permit such a visitor depending upon the approved COUNTY process.

Individuals whose visiting privileges have been suspended may write to the appropriate facility manager seeking reinstatement of their visiting privileges. Reinstatement is not guaranteed.

 

[Merrygirl]

Rhoden Murders Thread Housekeeping Note:

Hi All,

In case you haven't noticed, our threads have been moved to the Trials section here at WS. We still have a Media & Timelines thread back in the Crimes In the News section where we've been storing video, news stories and copies of documents related to the a arrests and pre-trial hearings of the Wagners.

Here in the Trials section, we have the opportunity to create a new reference thread for court docs related to the Wagner family trials. We can post one thread for all the trial docs for the 5 defendants or we can see about posting separate reference threads for each defendants. What do you think? How would you like to see this information organized as we get closer to trial time? There will doubtless be many pages of evidence, filings and trial transcripts.

Please provide feeback, thanks!

I think one thread per trial and we can reference common things back to another trial. I think keeping the 5 together would be confusing and extremely cumbersome. JMOO.