OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #12

[Estella]

With older or mentally challenged nursing home residents, I've wondered if anyone ever switched pills for candy and the patient wouldn't know the difference...

I actually witnessed a nurse being escorted out of a long term care facility for switching narcotics out for Tylenol! It definitely happens, but these were individual doses, not any kind of a lump sum.

 

[gngr~snap]

Those are in South Carolina...?

They probably are'nt related.

I am not sure about all of them. This one says Ohio...
"J S. L, 35, of ×××××××× in Piketon, Ohio, was charged with use of a license plate registered to another vehicle, uninsured vehicle, possession of drug paraphernalia"

http://www.golaurens.com/news/item/23683-traffic-stop-leads-to-arrest-on-drug-and-gun-charges
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"A second man arrested at 1:00 yesterday morning on Hillcrest Drive was 50-year-old J M S of ××××××××××, Laurens. Officer Sherfield issued a citation charging Mr. Smith with Possession of Drug Paraphernalia at 1:00 yesterday morning. Smith was served with a warrant"
http://wlbg.com/2016/05/11/trafficking-in-heroin/




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[Yvettea]

Im not, just while back there was great long discussion about "who would live in a trailer". people acted like they had never even seen a trailer. The cops are treating them like they are trash.

Who/what are being treated like trash, the trailers or the victims?

 

[CSIDreamer]

I can't imagine it would be related to the nursing home. It would have to be quite a lot to warrant the death of 8 people, and those places are too regulated for anything to truly slip through the red tape.

Has anyone seen where DR was doing work to her new home, and had a newer car? That is hard to swing on a CNA's paycheck, especially two purchases like that lumped in together....especially when you're raising a 16 year old and your daughter and her kids (one a newborn) is living with you.

There is something amiss in the money department, and I cannot figure it out. I know CSR purchased the land where DR's trailer was located, but did he also purchase the trailer, or was it lumped in with the entire sum? I know this has been discussed but I am drawing a blank...

Also, was it purchased with cash, a loan or some kind of inter-family land contract?

I want to feel like the timing of that particular land purchase and the murders is not coincidental, though I can't decide why I even feel that way.

I've seen people discussing CSR and GR's bodies. GR's dad initially said that GR was found in the bedroom floor draped over CSR's legs with 3 gunshot wounds to the head....

BJM confirmed the placement of their bodies in her interview, adding that they were face down and from the blood in the living room, it looked like someone was dragged from the front room to the back room. It stands to reason that, if GR was on top of CSR, he was the one dragged back into the room.....unless they were both dragged, an CSR was killed first and dragged back, and then GR was soon to follow. I still say it's the first...

I think Dana was getting a lot of stuff for her house on sale pages and the like. I know she had a list of stuff she was looking for and had it on her page at one. time.

 

[Everyday Grace]

[video=twitter;731251785139163136]https://twitter.com/carriecochran/status/731251785139163136[/video]

Carrie Cochran ✔ ‎@carriecochran
The last of the #PikeCounty Rhoden homes – this one, where Dana was killed – is removed. http://cin.ci/27hvDrB

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Wow. The bottom photo gives a pretty good sense about the additions.

Odd seeing these spaces with the trailers removed. Heightens the realism of the severe abruption in people's lives.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Since when are we deciding people were tortured and know how many GSW's they have?

We have absolutely no confirmation who had how many GSW's. It's been said GR was shot 3 times in the head. Who knows if that was even accurate or if he was shot more elsewhere. DS said KR had a GSW, I doubt he examined thoroughly to see if it was 1 or multiple.

It's been SPECULATED that *maybe* the ones shot multiple times were for information extraction or torture, but absolutely nothing has confirmed that. It may have been they tried to fight back.

Also, we don't even know if we have the full context of the 911 calls, let alone if there were more calls.

It's absolutely terrible to say these kids were being abused. I know plenty of people that grow pot that are the nicest sweetest people you will ever meet and take great care of their kids who have absolutely no idea what is going on.

The Rhoden's seemed like they were very full of love. Its hard to struggle through life. You'll do anything to keep food on the table and lights on for your kids. Once you start being able to change that, it's hard to get out of it. Especially since I highly doubt this growing just started. It's likely it was going on when FR, CRjr, and HR were younger themselves. You don't just have 200+ plants in an operation. You work up to that.

Yes, they were involved in illegal activities, they didn't deserve this, at all. This is 8 people murdered, some in front of their own kids who had to sit covered in blood and see these gruesome scenes for who knows how long. That doesn't make them bad people. The Rhoden's maybe had no clue their lives were in danger, sometimes it's not easy to see. Especially if this has been going on for years like I suspect. They were from there. Knew everyone it sounds like. Probably felt completely comfortable handling their own in a situation of an intruder like every family themselves hopes for. Everyone has the "it won't happen to me mentality" whether you are growing pot or have 3 beers and decide to drive home. So sick of the victim shaming.

Of course, JMO.


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Thank you for that post. I am certain they had no idea their lives were in that much danger. Common sense tells us they would have taken steps to protect themselves and loved ones if they had. I don't think they did anything different than they had been doing in preceding days or years. In essence, they never saw it coming. I do not and never have bought the "Torture for information" theory. I suspect that if they were beaten up it was because they were awake or woken up by the dogs and fought back.

No way do I think these people abused their children or their spouses , especially since I cannot find even one domestic violence report for any of them.

Although illegal (in some states anyway) smoking pot or even growing it is not child abuse. Furthermore I suspect that at least some of the people on here pointing fingers at these deceased parents are sitting there right now blowing cigarette smoke into their kids breathing space or enjoying that late night beer, neither of which is a crime, but could be argued to be bad for the kids.

From reading from other sources, I think these people and their extended family love and value their children very much.

Now I will climb down off my bandwagon as I am getting dizzy from fear of heights. lol

 

[newtonskeyz]

Who/what are being treated like trash, the trailers or the victims?

the trailers

 

[Estella]

I think Dana was getting a lot of stuff for her house on sale pages and the like. I know she had a list of stuff she was looking for and had it on her page at one. time.

Do you happen to remember any of the stuff of on it?

 

[gngr~snap]

I'd be surprised if pills just are sitting there for the taking at nursing homes. For one thing, being a CNA does not necessarily allow a person to distribute medication. For another, state regulations, from what I've heard, are quite strict for nursing homes. I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine someone would notice if pills began to go missing. JMO, of course.

Narcotic counts are supposed to be done at the beginning and end of every shift with 2 people. I can't imagine any "pills" going "missing",but hey what do I know?

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[mrssmith23]

Narcotic counts are supposed to be done at the beginning and end of every shift with 2 people. I can't imagine any "pills" going "missing",but hey what do I know?

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While it's possible to steal a few here and there (and usually not for long before it catches up to you..) you aren't going to be getting quantity out of a nursing home for large sales. Nothing like the scale of which they were growing pot. Nothing that IMO would warrant the murder of 8 people at 4 homes. Most people taking them from nursing homes are taking them for themselves or their close friends or family, not selling for serious income. You would get caught if you were getting large quantities out, period.

I don't discount the possibility that the Rhoden's were dabbling in possible drug sales more than marijuana. I do not think the source was the nursing home *if* they were even dabbling in narcotics at all.

JMO.

 

[Mmaaix]

Can I just ask why people assume Dana didn't partake in all of the business ventures? (Aka Illegal and shady activities) I'm not trying to victim shame, I'm genuinely curious. Because she's a woman? A mother? Grandmother? I think she was just as deeply involved as her ex husband seemed to be. JMO of course..
I know it doesn't really matter how involved she was because she didn't deserve to die but it's hard for me to ignore the circumstances surrounding their deaths and the way they chose to live.

For me I think it's because the videos I have seen appear that she was extremely loving mother/grandmother. Also seems she was very involved in her children's life's and often posted jobs etc tagging them to possibly better their life. She also seem to separate her living situation away from the others possibly because she knew what was going on and did not want to be involved. She seems as if she was also hardworking a CNA is far from a pleasant job especially at a nursing home, but she appears to enjoy it. JMO if she was involved in all this and had the extra cash and was keeping a job for appearance, she would've chosen a easier job. She also seems well liked with her coworkers. All this together does not paint a picture of a highly involved criminal to me. I think she may have known but tried to stay at a distance.

 

[JusMeJim]

Why would LE need to stay involved with the actual places?

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WOW. Surprised you would even have to ask that. That is their job to stay involved to whatever extent until this gets solved and the perps are behind bars.

 

[Everyday Grace]

I can't imagine it would be related to the nursing home. It would have to be quite a lot to warrant the death of 8 people, and those places are too regulated for anything to truly slip through the red tape.

Has anyone seen where DR was doing work to her new home, and had a newer car? That is hard to swing on a CNA's paycheck, especially two purchases like that lumped in together....especially when you're raising a 16 year old and your daughter and her kids (one a newborn) is living with you.

There is something amiss in the money department, and I cannot figure it out. I know CSR purchased the land where DR's trailer was located, but did he also purchase the trailer, or was it lumped in with the entire sum? I know this has been discussed but I am drawing a blank...

Also, was it purchased with cash, a loan or some kind of inter-family land contract?

I want to feel like the timing of that particular land purchase and the murders is not coincidental, though I can't decide why I even feel that way.

I've seen people discussing CSR and GR's bodies. GR's dad initially said that GR was found in the bedroom floor draped over CSR's legs with 3 gunshot wounds to the head....

BJM confirmed the placement of their bodies in her interview, adding that they were face down and from the blood in the living room, it looked like someone was dragged from the front room to the back room. It stands to reason that, if GR was on top of CSR, he was the one dragged back into the room.....unless they were both dragged, an CSR was killed first and dragged back, and then GR was soon to follow. I still say it's the first...

My understanding is that all of the structures on the land where Dana lived were included in the purchase price. Going by memory, I believe all of the structures on the property were in existence before they were purchased by CR1.

 

[mrssmith23]

My understanding is that all of the structures on the land where Dana lived were included in the purchase price. Going by memory, I believe all of the structures on the property were in existence before they were purchased by CR1.

In addition, IIRC, CRsr paid cash.

 

[Dudly]

I wonder how many situations are similar to this case. I know a place that looks very much like CR1's. There have been run-ins with LE in multiple counties, marijuana bust, people shot.
LE completely ignores everything unless they don't have a choice....

 

[Estella]

For me I think it's because the videos I have seen appear that she was extremely loving mother/grandmother. Also seems she was very involved in her children's life's and often posted jobs etc tagging them to possibly better their life. She also seem to separate her living situation away from the others possibly because she knew what was going on and did not want to be involved. She seems as if she was also hardworking a CNA is far from a pleasant job especially at a nursing home, but she appears to enjoy it. JMO if she was involved in all this and had the extra cash and was keeping a job for appearance, she would've chosen a easier job. She also seems well liked with her coworkers. All this together does not paint a picture of a highly involved criminal to me. I think she may have known but tried to stay at a distance.

I am inclined to agree for the most part, however, if the property she was living on was purchased by CSR, she was having no problem enjoying the fruits of whatever labor may or may not have been involved. I find it kind of hard to believe that she was oblivious to, at the very least, the grow operation(s). Her kids seem involved with their dad. They had divorced, but reconciled. While I don't disagree with the Legalization of Marijuana because I personally think it needs to be decriminalized for about 100 reasons, I do disagree with allowing your kids to be anywhere in the vicinity of an illegal operation of any kind, regardless of your stance on what is being done. Not only would the legal repercussions be huge, the criminal element that it attracts is dangerous. Had she wanted them away, she could easily have done it at any time....and she did not.

I'm not blaming her for this by any means, and we have no way of knowing whether she knew or not. It is just my opinion that she probably did considering her and CSR's relationship.... so giving her a total pass is impossible right now.

 

[rsd1200]

I know they are just ratty trailers , but still, who's going to pay to reinstall them? other family members may have wanted them. This seems way over the top. They have taken every asset there is, I guess next they will dismantle the sheds next. And yes assets, when people don't have much, a ratty trailer could be a lot.

More than likely the properties will be worth more w/o the trailers. I hate to sound unkind but that me be the truth. The trailers, would require massive clean up, fumigation,removal of carpet and most likely sub-flooring, possibly some of the walls would need to be replaced. It would probably cost more than the trailers are worth to put that back into livable condition. Clean up after one person who has committed suicide with a single shot to the head is not something most people can imagine what it entails nor the heartache for the loved ones (and hiring those clean up crews are expensive so not everyone can afford that). I can't imagine trying to clean and repair those trailers for any future purpose.

 

[CSIDreamer]

the trailers

JMO. They are being treated as crime scenes. Because they are.

 

[MVLM]

I know they are just ratty trailers , but still, who's going to pay to reinstall them? other family members may have wanted them. This seems way over the top. They have taken every asset there is, I guess next they will dismantle the sheds next. And yes assets, when people don't have much, a ratty trailer could be a lot.

If they were acquired through illegal means, or the proceeds of illegal activity, the state will seize them regardless of "asset." They don't give dead drug dealers' kids cars and cash "earned" through the drug trade. It's plausible that DeWine is quite aware of legal ramifications down the road.

 

[WVWoman]

If they were acquired through illegal means, or the proceeds of illegal activity, the state will seize them regardless of "asset." They don't give dead drug dealers' kids cars and cash "earned" through the drug trade. It's plausible that DeWine is quite aware of legal ramifications down the road.

That is try if they are found guilty in a court of law. They are deceased so how are they going to try that case?