OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #17

[mrssmith23]

I guess toxicology reports could show if they were drugged in some way, or if they were doing any illegal drugs. I think maybe that pretty much anything that was sent to the crime lab should be just about processed by now, so maybe "TOX reports" is more of a generic term for "crime lab reports".

Toxicology reports usually take a minimum of 6 weeks in cases of only 1-2 people. That's why we are hoping for them this next week. Beyond that, I imagine most everything else has already been processed.

Then again, they recently towed all of those cars and moved the houses.. So there may have been A LOT more stuff sent in we are unaware of. JMO.

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[OsoTejano]

BBM. I'm confused. Health insurance for dogs is required in Ohio? It isn't in the state I live in.

It isn't in Ohio. We have it on our 2 puppies but most people probably don't.

 

[JusMeJim]

The expectations put on this poor woman by the sleuthing public to remember the most minute detail are ridiculous. I can't remember what I ate for lunch yesterday, and I didn't do it under duress.

Let's call a spade a spade: she's a simple Applachian woman who feeds chickens and cleans trailers to make money. She's not a freaking criminal mastermind. I wish people would give it a rest.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I've been arguing this point for weeks on here, but you've said it much more clear than I ever have. There is no way BJM committed these murders. Frequent readers probably think that I'm her paid PR person I've argued the point so many times. She has lost several family members, and has to be suffering tremendously. I just wish people would leave her alone.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

In California and neither I, anyone in my family, nor my dear friend who does animal rescue have health insurance for our pets. They go to vet as needed. I wouldn't judge someone either way on insurance. Insurance, or lack of it, does not indicate the level of health care a person or an animal is actually receiving.

I am sorry if it sounded like I was judging anyone. That was not my intention.

I keep wanting to go to the financials of the Rhodens because I think any motive has to be there. Thinking about health insurance and vet bills helps me to maybe account for some of the money as well as him paying 30000.00 down on a house. Of course all this I am saying is speculation, but assuming that minimal care( feed, shots and vets) were taken 13 dogs (14-1 at KR's) would still be an expensive project. In other words just how much potential cash could have been on hand and was that amount worth killing 8 people to someone?


On the subject of dogs, there were I think at least 11 on CR1 and FR's property which was close together. All it took was for one of them to start barking at an intruder and the rest would have joined in like ants to a picnic. On the other hand if it was someone well known to the dogs they might not have barked when that person drove up or walked up. Just saying.

 

[Dr. Know?]

TOX reports will just indicate if they had alcohol or illegal/prescription drugs in their systems correct? Since I'm pretty sure the gs wounds are what killed them, TOX reports won't indicate that, will they?

It's more like wishful thinking on my part. I couldn't see charges being brought on anyone until they have the toxicology reports back. After 6 weeks, I start losing patience when no one is arrested.

 

[ColMustard]

But we are just now getting into yard sale season around here. Not many yard sales in the dead of winter.

Obviously.

I'm not getting your point or seeing the relevance, however.

 

[mrssmith23]

Obviously.

I'm not getting your point or seeing the relevance, however.

When discussing counterfeit bills.

Myself and other stated it is easier to pass off small counterfeit bills.

Your reply said,

Just seems like a hard way to go for a crook seeking easy money. Yard sale folks seem the least likely to be checking bills with a pen, so why not give them 20s or 50s?

Had many store clerks check my bills, they're just trained to do it. Been using my debit card almost exclusively since the last time I emptied the wallet, I'd been keeping $100 bills stashed in it for mad money.

So my "point and relevance" was responding to something you wrote.

Why wouldn't people be running around with counterfeit small bills when they aren't out using them while yard sale shopping and are less likely to get caught than if they are using counterfeit larger bills?

 

[ColMustard]

When discussing counterfeit bills.

Myself and other stated it is easier to pass off small counterfeit bills.

Your reply said,



So my "point and relevance" was responding to something you wrote.

Why wouldn't people be running around with counterfeit small bills when they aren't out using them while yard sale shopping and are less likely to get caught than if they are using counterfeit larger bills?

Umm, ok, I think. Still confused by the wording, I guess. None of the bills in the article I linked were turning up at yard sales.

My point on this part of the subject, was, has been, why bother with a dollar? Why bother turning a fake dollar into 99¢? Doesn't matter if the 99¢ is actual change or a pair of old socks. That's a big risk for so little return.

 

[rsd1200]

Jumping off your post: This family like so many others post things on fb but it's ambiguous your not sure what they are really saying. I see everyday the post of going out of town,going to store,or spouse is gone for the next week...this in my opinion invites trouble. If you would see my fb you would know,1) I feed my animals 2) I love coffee 3) I love my pups and horse ....what you wouldn't know is my personal life!

Correct. I have a very close circle that I post pics of family events to. Some family can't make them and it's nice to let them see photos. Most of my posts are things I find funny, and photos of my pets. I don't understand open post everything I do in life to the entire public. I also don't tell people if planning to leave on a trip, until I'm already back home.

 

[OsoTejano]

Only one person mentioned cash at KR's house and that was DS. DeWine tried to put that away as rumor. I have heard that even in states where pot is legal, since it is still a federal crime, banks won't take money from the pot industry. They don't want to get charged with a federal crime. It is possible the money made by the Rhodens was banked at least in part.

I would imagine CR Sr. was very bloodied from being shot multiple times. That may be why BJM thought he looked like he was beaten. I think they were shot at different times. The first was moved so it wasn't immediately noticed when the other came in.

The black eye could be from being shot in the head. I wondered at one time if it was from a confrontation earlier that day that escalated to murder.

the one televised interview with DS that I saw looked like he was truthful for the most part. When he was talking about the money, he looked less than truthful on his body language especially where he was rubbing his eye while he was talking about it.

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[rsd1200]

That is what is odd to me also. The article said they took 14 dogs to the shelter. By accounts there was 1 at KR's kept inside per DS. At least 2 At CR1's kept inside per BJM. I counted 4 chained in the back at FR's per photos. No one has said for certain there were any dogs at DR's and I saw no evidence any were chained in the photos. That accounts for 7 dogs. Were the other 7 just running loose? 14 dogs and none of them barked and alerted the family inside? Hard to believe as I have 4 dogs, a min pin, a toy chihuahua, a cherweinnie and a boxer/boston terrier mix which are kept in the house at night. All of them bark like crazy if they hear the slightest noise. They even bark at my son and grandsons when they come to visit. At least one of my grandsons is here 75% of the time and they act like they have never seen him before when he walks in the yard. I realize that mine are all small yappy dogs but it would seem that the bigger dogs like a pit bull would at least bark when someone approached. On a side note 14 dogs, I don't know how they could afford health insurance on all of them, that had to be at least 300.00 per month. And being in a rural area I cannot believe that at least CR1, and KR and maybe even DR did not sleep with a loaded gun close by. Fr may not have with small children in the house but the others probably had a gun close if not in bed with them. It is unreal that someone walked past 14 dogs and into 4 homes and killed 8 people without waking anyone. The sheer numbers in this case are mindboggling.

There were dog kennels in the back of the trailer. They raised coon hounds. There were probably so many dogs, barking so often, and so long, that they probably paid no mind to it. My grandfather had foxhounds, and a couple coonhounds from time to time, and they barked a lot. It's their nature to bark. A lot. You get desensitized to it. I had a dog that, when we got her, we didn't realize that breed was a barker. For 13 years that dog bark nearly incessantly, especially at night. We started just bringing her in at night. We never knew if it was a gnat, or a serial killer, out there. Her bark was the exact same either way. I'll never have another of that breed. Very sweet dogs, but difficult.

 

[rsd1200]

Not mine either but most people I know with pets have health insurance on them. A lot of companies here offer their employees the option of paying for health insurance on pets out of their paychecks each week just like they would health insurance on any family members. Otherwise if their pets get sick or hurt the vet bills can be enormous and cause a financial burden on the pet parents. (My chihuahua that passed in 2013 had 6000.00 in vet bills from surgery and specialists called in prior to the surgery.) Sorry I assumed that everyone is like me I guess and has health insurance on their pets. My bad.

I've heard of it, but have never had h.i. on any of ours. Thankfully we have a vet who doesn't charge exorbitant fees b/c I've got several critters myself.

 

[oneilgirl75]

I think that the poster is saying that there are some questionable aspects to the scenario. But what LE? BJM seems to be a victim and witness. She is the original reporting party and she entered the crime scenes. She lost family and witnessed the carnage. I can understand her being interviewed and her clothing seized. But why was she brought in again at 3:41 a.m? Why were her statements challenged? Why was she asked a very self-incriminating question? I hope that she had been admonished of her rights, or her answer would not have been admissible in court. "How much did somebody pay you to kill your family?" That is not a question for a grieving victim, but more appropriate for someone under interrogation as a suspect. So I ask, why did LE seem to view her as a suspect, at least initially?

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/11/pike-county-not-leaving-those-babies-there/84194756/
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...enge-our-hearts-pike-co-family-says/83517330/

I personally think its because she 1. didn't tell them all she knew from the get go or 2. she said she didn't know when they asked her straight up and through the course of their investigation they found out something and had factual evidence that she lied. I think they were pissed because they felt she was wasting their time by not being honest. In my opinion only this case merits that kind of attitude, the one that says I'm not gonna play with you, you either get straight or things are going to get real, quick! I'm sure they feel that they are trying to solve this for her family and she could have been hindering/slowing it down by not being honest. I think they went in loud and strong to make an impression, like you better talk and tell all that you know, we are done playing games! That all is jmo.

 

[rsd1200]

You can see in the photos of Frankie's trailer that he has a sizeable porch light. It looks more like a street light than something you would get at Lowe's for your home.

I was just thinking about the motion lights/security cameras at any of these locations. Either way, it would only be to alert them to someone coming into the property, not necessarily to store data for very long. They couldn't use any of the security data to go to the police if someone broke into their homes. They'd just be able to look up who it was, if the data was clear enough, and go confront them. Even if they did that it may get LE called and interest pointed their direction. It seems investing in a good heavy safe would have been the logical choice, or a large safe deposit box at the local bank.

 

[Doghairrules]

Correct. I have a very close circle that I post pics of family events to. Some family can't make them and it's nice to let them see photos. Most of my posts are things I find funny, and photos of my pets. I don't understand open post everything I do in life to the entire public. I also don't tell people if planning to leave on a trip, until I'm already back home.

Oh dear. I just posted about my success with the trimmer. #firstyard #proudofmyself

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[ohreally]

I personally think its because she 1. didn't tell them all she knew from the get go or 2. she said she didn't know when they asked her straight up and through the course of their investigation they found out something and had factual evidence that she lied. I think they were pissed because they felt she was wasting their time by not being honest. In my opinion only this case merits that kind of attitude, the one that says I'm not gonna play with you, you either get straight or things are going to get real, quick! I'm sure they feel that they are trying to solve this for her family and she could have been hindering/slowing it down by not being honest. I think they went in loud and strong to make an impression, like you better talk and tell all that you know, we are done playing games! That all is jmo.

This is what I think happened too. I don't think she was at all involved in the murders. She may have unknowingly given the murderers information, very unintentionally on her part. She may not of been forthcoming at first with LE because she was scared to give them information (murderers are still out there). Also she may not of given information about knowing illegal activity was going on not knowing if LE was going to use the information to arrest people that had nothing to do with the murders.
I cannot imagine being in her shoes, she had to be so scared. At the same time LE needed to do thier job and all of the information from her. If she was hiding information to protect herself or others LE needs to know. It could be something that she doesn't think has to do with the murders, but could be the link they need to break the case.
It's just my opinion, but I do think she is cooperating with LE now and wants these murders solved.

 

[rsd1200]

I agree with you 100%. Our dogs are like our children, especially since we only got them after our son was grown and out of the house and we were feeling the empty nest syndrome. To chain them and not give them access to health care is unthinkable to us.

On the other hand if the Rhodens were breeding them to sell wouldn't they have taken them for regular checkups to make sure all was well with mom and babies? Also when we bought ours we asked for shot records and health records to make sure there were no genetic illnesses. I would think anyone buying them from the Rhodens would ask for the same? Vet bills would also go to the overhead of any business, legal or illegal wouldn't it?

In the case of a legal business (like breeding/selling puppies) the cost of vet bills and food would be deductible on your income taxes so maybe they did take them to the vet?

The pups probably came w/first shots and wormings. A lot of people give those to them themselves. You can buy the vaccine/wormer at Tractor Supply. If you don't board nor groom your dogs then you don't need a vet statement. The only thing you can't give at home is a rabies shot. You used to be able to give those at home. My grandpa gave all his dogs shots. They stopped that though b/c rabies is so serious and not everyone was giving it (not that everyone goes for the vaccine at the vet). As far as the dogs being chained, some people see their dogs as working animals. Coon, Beagle, and Fox hounds are just a few of these seen as working dogs. Most dogs are probably not kept on those chains all of the time. They are taken out for training, hunting, or for the sport of running foxes, treeing coons, etc... That's what they're bred to do and they enjoy it. Their owners normally love their dogs and take good care of them. Some have indoor "lap" dogs and they're considered more of a pet. My grandpa had boxes for all of his hounds but they were considered working dogs and were well cared for. You can't just let them wander loose though.

 

[oneilgirl75]

That is what is odd to me also. The article said they took 14 dogs to the shelter. By accounts there was 1 at KR's kept inside per DS. At least 2 At CR1's kept inside per BJM. I counted 4 chained in the back at FR's per photos. No one has said for certain there were any dogs at DR's and I saw no evidence any were chained in the photos. That accounts for 7 dogs. Were the other 7 just running loose? 14 dogs and none of them barked and alerted the family inside? Hard to believe as I have 4 dogs, a min pin, a toy chihuahua, a cherweinnie and a boxer/boston terrier mix which are kept in the house at night. All of them bark like crazy if they hear the slightest noise. They even bark at my son and grandsons when they come to visit. At least one of my grandsons is here 75% of the time and they act like they have never seen him before when he walks in the yard. I realize that mine are all small yappy dogs but it would seem that the bigger dogs like a pit bull would at least bark when someone approached. On a side note 14 dogs, I don't know how they could afford health insurance on all of them, that had to be at least 300.00 per month. And being in a rural area I cannot believe that at least CR1, and KR and maybe even DR did not sleep with a loaded gun close by. Fr may not have with small children in the house but the others probably had a gun close if not in bed with them. It is unreal that someone walked past 14 dogs and into 4 homes and killed 8 people without waking anyone. The sheer numbers in this case are mindboggling.

My dog barks at me if I drive up the road at any time that is unexpected or if I walk up at any time of the day and she didn't know I was there. If its someone that she doesn't know she wont even let them out of their car and keeps after them until I tell her its okay or they leave. If my kids are outside she is x10! I live extremely secluded and don't have a lot of people coming and going. I feel like with all that they had going on they would limit traffic to family and close friends. They had 14 dogs so you know they had to have at least 1 that was the same or similar. If they had a bunch of lazy dogs maybe and that would be a big maybe. At KR, DS had to calm that dog so the police could enter the property. With that in mind, it makes me wonder if someone was not already at the houses and let them in while everyone else was sleeping assuring the dogs and keeping them calm? I think the pressure on the family is for this reason, just seems like there is NO WAY you could do this without being very close to them. All JMO

 

[rsd1200]

That's hard to say.

We see plenty of people selling their puppies on FB garage sale groups, people could care less if they have papers and shots or not, as long as they are getting a good deal, and the sellers are typically just looking for the money, they don't care what homes they are going to. It's sad really.


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I will not buy a pup out of car boot, at a Walmart parking lot. No pet stores either. Nope.

 

[rsd1200]

But we are just now getting into yard sale season around here. Not many yard sales in the dead of winter.


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Few I've ever been to would have change for, or want to change, a 50$ bill either.