OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #22

[glf]

That poor woman. They should be ashamed. :furious:

That is the most ridiculous crock of crapola I have heard of in ages! Fortunately, they weren't pressing any chgs!

 

[Obiwankenobi]

That poor woman. They should be ashamed. :furious:

81? Seriously? She should be allowed to smoke whatever she wants! Poor thing!

 

[glf]

I have never heard of an instance where pot plants were confiscated and no charges were filed. Maybe this was done to let people know they are watching, and if they don't want to get into trouble, don't plant anything in their yard they don't want the whole town to know about!

 

[Dudly]

That is the most ridiculous crock of crapola I have heard of in ages! Fortunately, they weren't pressing any chgs!

I was told last night that a neighbor of a friend of mine had a similar experience. Swat team and helicopter overhead for one plant on the back deck.

 

[AF555]

They probably had someone "tip them off" to an illegal grow and thought it might be bigger than it was. I'm sure they felt dumb.

 

[rsd1200]

I have never heard of an instance where pot plants were confiscated and no charges were filed. Maybe this was done to let people know they are watching, and if they don't want to get into trouble, don't plant anything in their yard they don't want the whole town to know about!

One pot plant, in a state where pot just went legal for medical, I'd say isn't worth the money to charge and waste the court's time.

 

[glf]

One pot plant, in a state where pot just went legal for medical, I'd say isn't worth the money to charge and waste the court's time.

Probably a waste of man hours taken away from actual police work!

 

[grow73]

I realize Reader has been under a lot of pressure, but he should've known better than thinking chnl 19 wouldn't follow up on his promises of increased security (link). He might be doing what he's doing for all the right reasons, but he is elected and has to show results, or he has to show his hand. Not to the public, but he has to reach out to someone and ask for help, someone who can handle this without their head stuck in the sand, someone with credibility. According to his fb he received an award recently, for his good performance during those days in April. Went back to his fb to look at it, but he has now activated all his privacy settings.

http://www.fox19.com/story/33337466...ffs-efforts-rhoden-evidence-still-in-jeopardy

 

[Obiwankenobi]

I realize Reader has been under a lot of pressure, but he should've known better than thinking chnl 19 wouldn't follow up on his promises of increased security (link). He might be doing what he's doing for all the right reasons, but he is elected and has to show results, or he has to show his hand. Not to the public, but he has to reach out to someone and ask for help, someone who can handle this without their head stuck in the sand, someone with credibility. According to his fb he received an award recently, for his good performance during those days in April. Went back to his fb to look at it, but he has now activated all his privacy settings.

http://www.fox19.com/story/33337466...ffs-efforts-rhoden-evidence-still-in-jeopardy

Hmmm, I'm starting to think the whole scenario was meant to bait. No trespassing signs won't keep people out. Come to think of it, neither will a locked gate. And a single guard could be ambushed just like the victims. Maybe they've set some sort of trap.

 

[rsd1200]

Hmmm, I'm starting to think the whole scenario was meant to bait. No trespassing signs won't keep people out. Come to think of it, neither will a locked gate. And a single guard could be ambushed just like the victims. Maybe they've set some sort of trap.

If they want to burn the trailers down, a guard won't stop them. They had no problem murdering eight people in four different homes, in a matter of hours. The trailers are sealed, so they would be able to tell if someone broke into them, so I don't see that as big of a problem as someone who may wish to burn them up (which, iirc, is what Reader worried about in the beginning). If no one has burned them up by now, I don't think there's much reason for anyone to burn them up, unless someone is one of the people they are calling to come forward, thinks there's something incriminating about them, in one of them.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Update on Autopsies
They are serious about wanting to be tight lipped:

He said the redactions relate to facts only known to investigators and perpetrators: locations and descriptions of injuries, forensic evidence, and other details not generally known to the public.

Another affidavit written by the case's lead investigator, Bureau of Criminal Investigation Special Agent Michael Trout, said, "Information about this case has already been released to the public both through law enforcement and through leaks that were not authorized by investigators."

The Enquirer has moved to have the case put back on the Ohio Supreme Court docket.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...l-coroner-response-pike-co-slayings/91751384/

 

[glf]

It has occurred to me that if the killers ARE local, which I really don't think is the case, it has been over five months now, probably think they're home free and have nothing to worry about. The old saying "ten foot tall and bullet proof".

 

[Dudly]

It has occurred to me that if the killers ARE local, which I really don't think is the case, it has been over five months now, probably think they're home free and have nothing to worry about. The old saying "ten foot tall and bullet proof".

I don't see it being difficult to believe that it was not local people that did this. I think they may have had a confrontation with local operatives of a bigger organization. The local operatives told their bosses that this family was going to be a problem. It isn't difficult to break into mobile homes unless the doors and frames were altered. It isn't difficult to locate bedrooms in a mobile home. People break into homes and steal stuff all the time without waking the residents. The killers did not need intimate knowledge of the homes. Driving by a few times and taking some pictures would let them study the homes and see surveillance cameras mounted outside. You have google maps to plot your drive in and out. Google Earth shows the landscape of the area. It might only take a day or two to plan the whole operation. "Enforcer" type people know how to do this without leaving their evidence behind.

 

[Dudly]

Update on Autopsies
They are serious about wanting to be tight lipped:

He said the redactions relate to facts only known to investigators and perpetrators: locations and descriptions of injuries, forensic evidence, and other details not generally known to the public.

Another affidavit written by the case's lead investigator, Bureau of Criminal Investigation Special Agent Michael Trout, said, "Information about this case has already been released to the public both through law enforcement and through leaks that were not authorized by investigators."

The Enquirer has moved to have the case put back on the Ohio Supreme Court docket.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...l-coroner-response-pike-co-slayings/91751384/

The more DeWine talks, the more I believe they have no idea who did this. If they don't even know how many, how could they know who? I don't think it is a problem with the investigation, I think it is a reflection on how good the perps did their job...

 

[glf]

I cannot think of any "leaks" in this case, unless that statement is R/T Kendra's speaking of Kenny's gun he kept by his bedside might be missing. Other than that, I can't think of any pertainant info we've heard since the beginning of this investigation.

 

[Nickandnora]

Also GR's father, KR said, there was 2 shell casings of different calibres at the scene.

 

[Betty P]

The more DeWine talks, the more I believe they have no idea who did this. If they don't even know how many, how could they know who? I don't think it is a problem with the investigation, I think it is a reflection on how good the perps did their job...

I think DeWine, Ohio BC I and local LE are all in over their heads, have been all along. It's now obvious they've pretty much shut the FBI and DEA out of the case, a big mistake as they have more experience.

As you say, the killer's were good at covering their tracks and state and local agencies who don't have enough experience in handling this level of criminal activity are lost. That's why they're locking down every shred of evidence: they have no clue what is important.

 

[AF555]

I think DeWine, Ohio BC I and local LE are all in over their heads, have been all along. It's now obvious they've pretty much shut the FBI and DEA out of the case, a big mistake as they have more experience.

As you say, the killer's were good at covering their tracks and state and local agencies who don't have enough experience in handling this level of criminal activity are lost. That's why they're locking down every shred of evidence: they have no clue what is important.

What makes it obvious they've "shut the FBI and DEA out of the case"? State and local LE wouldn't have authority to do so. The fact that they're the ones with custody of evidence and making media statements doesn't mean federal agencies aren't involved. This could very much be part of a larger investigation involving several crimes in several states.

 

[Dudly]

What makes it obvious they've "shut the FBI and DEA out of the case"? State and local LE wouldn't have authority to do so. The fact that they're the ones with custody of evidence and making media statements doesn't mean federal agencies aren't involved. This could very much be part of a larger investigation involving several crimes in several states.

Seems like every government investigative organization should be asked for help.

 

[glf]

Seems like every government investigative organization should be asked for help.

I remember watching a program a few years ago that happened in Tenn. The man running for mayor was gunned down in his front yard. They had a suspect right off the bat, but it took the SD and TBI many, many months to get all the evidence they needed to prosecute the murder and bust up his illegal drug "company", for lack of a better word. And that was just one murder!