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That is just one of how many dealers working with that cartel. That investigation gives some credence to theories as to why this massacre happened(snitching or threat to organization) and to why it is not solved after two years(undercover operation would be exposed). I'm not sure those theories can be dismissed yet...

True. I noted, though, that the Fed's undercover operation that resulted in this major bust only took 1 year to get the job done. I used to think that was the explanation for secrecy and lack of progress in the Rhoden/Gilley massacre, but going on 2 years now, it seems much less likely. The secrecy of the autopsy reports and the state's expensive fight to keep them heavily redacted also speaks to a different reason for the delay. None of that would compromise an undercover operation.

Also notable is the scarcity of drug busts in this area (Pike, Adams, Scioto, etc.) involving FBI or DEA. Most of the drug busts (big and small) are handled only by local LE and BCI. Two years on, nothing has changed.
 
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Do you have any info besides theory to back up your thoughts on this Feudel Royal? If so, does it include other prominent business owners in and around Pike Co? Bankers, Car Dealerships, Real Estate brokers, Judges, Lawyers?

I think it's like dancing on the head of a pin.

31 threads and by reading public records.Oh my! So many posters (including yourself) have information in numerous insightful comments on this thread; Oh! And by the way!There are many excellent viable links (some with the years are now broken) and by using sleuthing skills & 'not to be too fine of a point on it' if you know how to crochet I would say 'yes'.

So there you go hows that for an answer that is so convoluted you go
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Thats some fancy footwork to avoid getting my hand slapped.:tos:

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Do you have any info besides theory to back up your thoughts on this Feudel Royal? If so, does it include other prominent business owners in and around Pike Co? Bankers, Car Dealerships, Real Estate brokers, Judges, Lawyers?

That's a pretty good guess for a local rogue's gallery. The recent cartel drug busts, though, showed that group is handling their money laundering by just packing up the cash and shipping it back to Mexico. (If any of you haven't yet, you should check out the Netflix series Ozark to learn about the many ways money laundering is done in the drug biz).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hAXVqrljbs

If cartel, the money would be shipped out of Pike County and Ohio.

http://www.whio.com/news/former-mid...fficking-organization/iKRbPUg4ZZ4BgsUQJoJJ2I/

The indictment further alleged that Holdbrook coordinated the transfer of fentanyl and heroin from the Sinaloa Drug Cartel to Middletown and funneled or smuggled large amounts of bulk cash back to Mexico. Investigators witnessed at least seven bulk cash pick-ups within the Southern District of Ohio, six in Cincinnati and one at a Comfort Inn and Suites in West Chester. Transactions ranged from $25,000 to more than $180,000. Glassman said between $1 million and $10 million in cash was laundered through the operation.

If it's a local feudal lord/lady, it would more likely be laundered locally. If it's being laundered locally, that could involve an array of other local businesses banks, real estate, local retail businesses, motels, and yes, resorts. One of the key businesses portrayed in Ozark that is used for money laundering is a resort, the Blue Cat Lodge, on the lake with dock, boat rentals, gas sales, restaurant, motel, vacation cottages. Lots of ways to launder cash in a business like that, but it's not easy. There are probably other businesses needed to help launder all of it. Seriously, if you can, watch Ozark. It explains how these local networks are built up for money laundering. It also has a story line where Mexican drug cartel comes into conflict with a big locally run drug operation.

I feel kind of silly recommending a tv show to understand this system, but it's really very accurate.
 
You know we all have theories.

I can only answer in the context of what I have read and conclusions I have came to. But keep in mind I reserve the option of changing it or it can evolve over a period of time.

I understand rual communities that do not have a diverse economic hub.My family lived & farmed in an area whose primary revenue source was farming. The doctor who delivered the babies was paid with the families only resources which probably included commodities from the family farm.

In the case of Piketon you have many of the community dependent for revenue from a single Feudal Royal. Their employment could be compensated by cash or a camping site in exchange for their skills or a vocational trade or back breaking hard labor or even favors.

Of course we know that the Feudal Royal did not provide them a living wage. So in the case of the Rhoden's it appears the Feudal Royal had LLP in cars and clinics crafted by lawyers that listed CRsr as an owner.

To answer your question from what I have read this is like the game '7degrees to the Feudal Royal'. The PM* would be be through that contractual relationship.

I have thought in the Piketon Community there were others who had ties with the Feudal Royal.

If as has been discussed DR wanted her kids not be raised with the taint of PM then CRsr may have attempted to end any relationships to the business with the Feudal Royal.

Any time you have lawyers involved you can forget about getting out of contracts. The Feudal Royal may have felt it was time to set an example to locals of their iron clad 'contracts'.

This could be implemented in such a way that it would never be traceable to the Feudal Royal.

If any one understood the complex simmering hostilities between the Piketon Families and how to stir emotions until they festered and erupted it was the Feudal Royal.

This is all my theory. PM* =p*ll m**l

Please feel free to tear into my poor little theory but be kind. :scared:
:cow:

Good post MizStery. It's hard talking about this without pointing fingers.

Re PM's, I'm not sure that's what those businesses CR1 had were doing. First, as our WS physician poster pointed out, it's pretty difficult to get the certification to write prescriptions for opiods, etc. LE also did a major crackdown on PM's in that area over the last 10 yrs and they really cleaned up those businesses. If that were the purpose of those businesses, they probably would have been caught up in that sweep. PM's were nice because you didn't have to launder cash, but they're pretty much gone now.

That product now seems to be coming in via Mexican and domestic cartels to "stash houses" in various areas where it's sold locally. Not sure what they were doing, maybe setting up to sell MJ derivatives in anticipation of legalization in Ohio. I dunno. Maybe they were PM's at one time, but that was pretty much over at the time the Rhodens were killed.

As for the "Blue Cat Lodge", and it's feudal system, that also seems plausible. I would also add the other local feudal system run by the big landowners in the area. The ones with land contracts whose serfs have been busted for selling opiates, MJ and manufacturing meth. They're also involved in another business known to have shady characters and involving sale and transportation of very expensive animals.

IF the land barons were involved in something sketchy, were they working with the "Blue Cat Lodge" folks? Don't know. Did they somehow run afoul of the Mexican or other cartels? Possible. This may have been where CR1 got caught.

Blue Cat Lodge

https://wherever-i-look.com/tv-series/ozark-season-1-episode-2-blue-cat-recap-review-with-spoilers

https://www.pictaram.org/post/BgaFJfnjmxk
 
Good post MizStery. It's hard talking about this without pointing fingers.

Re PM's, I'm not sure that's what those businesses CR1 had were doing. First, as our WS physician poster pointed out, it's pretty difficult to get the certification to write prescriptions for opiods, etc. LE also did a major crackdown on PM's in that area over the last 10 yrs and they really cleaned up those businesses. If that were the purpose of those businesses, they probably would have been caught up in that sweep. PM's were nice because you didn't have to launder cash, but they're pretty much gone now.

That product now seems to be coming in via Mexican and domestic cartels to "stash houses" in various areas where it's sold locally. Not sure what they were doing, maybe setting up to sell MJ derivatives in anticipation of legalization in Ohio. I dunno. Maybe they were PM's at one time, but that was pretty much over at the time the Rhodens were killed.

As for the "Blue Cat Lodge", and it's feudal system, that also seems plausible. I would also add the other local feudal system run by the big landowners in the area. The ones with land contracts whose serfs have been busted for selling opiates, MJ and manufacturing meth. They're also involved in another business known to have shady characters and involving sale and transportation of very expensive animals.

IF the land barons were involved in something sketchy, were they working with the "Blue Cat Lodge" folks? Don't know. Did they somehow run afoul of the Mexican or other cartels? Possible. This may have been where CR1 got caught.


Blue Cat Lodge

https://wherever-i-look.com/tv-series/ozark-season-1-episode-2-blue-cat-recap-review-with-spoilers

https://www.pictaram.org/post/BgaFJfnjmxk

I think your two posts are as close to the truth as I can think of. :idea: At least ideas that won't get my hands slapped. But I am not as creative as some of you.

Can anyone else come up with an acceptable way of expanding on both amauet1 & Betty P posts that will be within W/S topic boundary rules? I think I have exhausted my freshman year creative writing class skills. To be honest;I am much better at rock n' roll trivia like the songs and artists up till the 90's. :flashback: Whoa that's really off topic!
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Do you have any info besides theory to back up your thoughts on this Feudel Royal? If so, does it include other prominent business owners in and around Pike Co? Bankers, Car Dealerships, Real Estate brokers, Judges, Lawyers?
 
You know we all have theories.

I can only answer in the context of what I have read and conclusions I have came to. But keep in mind I reserve the option of changing it or it can evolve over a period of time.

I understand rual communities that do not have a diverse economic hub.My family lived & farmed in an area whose primary revenue source was farming. The doctor who delivered the babies was paid with the families only resources which probably included commodities from the family farm.

In the case of Piketon you have many of the community dependent for revenue from a single Feudal Royal. Their employment could be compensated by cash or a camping site in exchange for their skills or a vocational trade or back breaking hard labor or even favors.


Of course we know that the Feudal Royal did not provide them a living wage. So in the case of the Rhoden's it appears the Feudal Royal had LLP in cars and clinics crafted by lawyers that listed CRsr as an owner.

To answer your question from what I have read this is like the game '7degrees to the Feudal Royal'. The PM* would be be through that contractual relationship.

I have thought in the Piketon Community there were others who had ties with the Feudal Royal.

If as has been discussed DR wanted her kids not be raised with the taint of PM then CRsr may have attempted to end any relationships to the business with the Feudal Royal.

Any time you have lawyers involved you can forget about getting out of contracts. The Feudal Royal may have felt it was time to set an example to locals of their iron clad 'contracts'.

This could be implemented in such a way that it would never be traceable to the Feudal Royal.

If any one understood the complex simmering hostilities between the Piketon Families and how to stir emotions until they festered and erupted it was the Feudal Royal.

This is all my theory. PM* =p*ll m**l

Please feel free to tear into my poor little theory but be kind. :scared:
:cow:

Miz

I think you way over estimate how many people work at BBL. I do agree however that RW was

a "player" in that neck of the woods.
 
Miz

I think you way over estimate how many people work at BBL. I do agree however that RW was

a "player" in that neck of the woods.

Thanks,RichP you are absolutely correct.I often tend to over generalize.

I agree my sample of locals with ties to the Blue Cat Lodge is sparse.

But would you agree statistically of the 'locals' we have examined in the last two years that 'a larger population than not' have the BCL as a common denominator? I do not claim to have done the math but at least that is how it appears to me.

:cow:
 
I think your two posts are as close to the truth as I can think of. :idea: At least ideas that won't get my hands slapped. But I am not as creative as some of you.

Can anyone else come up with an acceptable way of expanding on both amauet1 & Betty P posts that will be within W/S topic boundary rules? I think I have exhausted my freshman year creative writing class skills. To be honest;I am much better at rock n' roll trivia like the songs and artists up till the 90's. :flashback: Whoa that's really off topic!
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Let's try continuing along the line of the Ozark story, which really describes how drugs are made and sold and money laundered in many, many remote, out of the way small towns in the US. This stuff doesn't just happen in Pike County, OH, it happens in so many US small towns today. In every state. Pike Co, is an exception to the rest only because that cat and mouse game of illegal drug trafficking/MJ growing suddenly resulted in 8 members of a working class family being brutally murdered in their beds one night.

I struggle with understanding how business criminals think, but I'll give it a try.

So, In Ozark, the guy (Marty) who works as a money launderer comes up with several ways to do it:

It's usually best if the business involves a lot of cash transactions, the easiest way to mix dirty money with clean

He buys into the Blue Cat Lodge and starts fixing it up, keeping a separate set of books that show him paying many times more for refurbishing than he's actually paying.

He buys into a local strip club - also lots of cash. He doesn't deal drugs, but I could see how that would also be a place for drug transactions, if you're careful who you work with. Same thing with the Blue Cat Lodge. Marty doesn't deal drugs, but someone out IRL could do that easily.

His wife gets involved in some real estate deals, buying and fixing up distressed properties, then selling them. People involved in that business probably have a variety of ways to buy and sell real estate in a way that hides the exchange of money and/or favors.

There are people in the show living way back in the hills who grow all kinds of illegal stuff, including huge crops of poppies (not sure how realistic this is, but possible)

Another plot line in the show involves an eccentric, religious land-rich backwoods couple who grow poppies and process heroin. They have a unique way of distributing it: because there are no local police on the lake, they help out a local pastor who has Sunday church that caters to people who like to be out on the lake boating, skiing, etc. They donate a bunch of Bibles every week to hand out to the congregation. Inside color coded Bibles, they hollow out the middle and fill it with big bricks of heroin, which are given to their distributors posing as church folks. Not saying this exact scheme is how anyone in Pike Co is doing things, but these people can be creative in moving product. They'll find ways to meet up with people in areas where LE doesn't usually come.

Another scheme they're working on involves laundering cash by building a casino - another kind of cash business. It may involve paying off people in government to look the other way. Can't be easy to get a license. Other forms of illegal gambling can be another vehicle - both for laundering money and selling/distributing drugs.

Also, in Ozark, Mexican cartels moved the cash to be laundered in semi-trucks through a legit trucking business.

We've read in the news about people using cars to transport drugs. The recent busts in Middletown, OH involved LE pulling over a car that had fentanyl and other drugs hidden in the gas tank. Valued at hundreds of thousands of dollars. There are also stories about moving product in junk cars.

Drug traffickers in other communities may pay off police and judges to make sure their workers don't get pulled over or their businesses raided.

One message in Ozark struck me: Marty , the money launderer, started by posing as a wealthy investor who visited local businesses to see if he could invest and help turn them around, make them more profitable. Time and again, most of the business owners told him right away they knew what he was up to. The take away: Business people, community leaders and LE are aware of what goes on in their towns in areas where drug trafficking is a problem. They know how the business works, who is doing what, a lot more than you realize. Some participate for their cut, others don't want to be involved. But most of them know. LE may not know as much, but the others do.

And yes, people in economically depressed areas are happy to take what jobs they can find. But we probably shouldn't assume they're all part of drug trafficking. Big bosses will share that info with very few employees, it's too risky if too many people know.

All we can do to sleuth is look at public records for business transactions, real estate, etc. stuff we've already done. Rhodens were killed at a time when the drug trafficking scene was in flux: Pill mills had been pretty much shut down. Other drugs were coming in from other people, new systems were being developed. MJ was almost legalized, with a lot of powerful people investing money and pulling political strings, only to be recently defeated at the polls. A new plan was being drawn up for an alternate MJ legalization bill, structured differently than the first one.


All the above scenarios are taken from real life and could be part of the southern Ohio system. I hope this helps a little and maybe we can couch our theories in more esoteric ways, stories, etc.
 
Thanks,RichP you are absolutely correct.I often tend to over generalize.

I agree my sample of locals with ties to the Blue Cat Lodge is sparse.

But would you agree statistically of the 'locals' we have examined in the last two years that 'a larger population than not' have the BCL as a common denominator? I do not claim to have done the math but at least that is how it appears to me.

:cow:

BBL could be a place for all to gather and have meetings. About the only thing we haven't torn apart by theories are the cars, car lots, and dealerships. If all those cars CRsr and Dana owned (including the ones not in their names but they owned) were important enough to tow away, then why? I understand that probate is taking a long time to get settled to. Is there really something in the trailers/cars/personal property their keeping or are they using them to "sweat out" families that may be involved or know info that LE/BCI need to solve this case.
 
Betty I would love to wrap this up by your theory, RRL theory, young kids at Mc Donald theory, Wagner Theory, etc,etc,etc. But we have no information to connect our dots. And until we do, throwing things out there about what we do know and hoping they stick is about all we have.
 
And addiction has no predjudice againest anyone.

And folks who are addicts, who know how to do things, like work on vehicles, wire electricity, build a deck, etc... Will work for barter (as in cash under the table, and/or, drugs).
 
You know we all have theories.

I can only answer in the context of what I have read and conclusions I have came to. But keep in mind I reserve the option of changing it or it can evolve over a period of time.

I understand rual communities that do not have a diverse economic hub.My family lived & farmed in an area whose primary revenue source was farming. The doctor who delivered the babies was paid with the families only resources which probably included commodities from the family farm.

In the case of Piketon you have many of the community dependent for revenue from a single Feudal Royal. Their employment could be compensated by cash or a camping site in exchange for their skills or a vocational trade or back breaking hard labor or even favors.

Of course we know that the Feudal Royal did not provide them a living wage. So in the case of the Rhoden's it appears the Feudal Royal had LLP in cars and clinics crafted by lawyers that listed CRsr as an owner.

To answer your question from what I have read this is like the game '7degrees to the Feudal Royal'. The PM* would be be through that contractual relationship.

I have thought in the Piketon Community there were others who had ties with the Feudal Royal.

If as has been discussed DR wanted her kids not be raised with the taint of PM then CRsr may have attempted to end any relationships to the business with the Feudal Royal.

Any time you have lawyers involved you can forget about getting out of contracts. The Feudal Royal may have felt it was time to set an example to locals of their iron clad 'contracts'.

This could be implemented in such a way that it would never be traceable to the Feudal Royal.

If any one understood the complex simmering hostilities between the Piketon Families and how to stir emotions until they festered and erupted it was the Feudal Royal.

This is all my theory. PM* =p*ll m**l

Please feel free to tear into my poor little theory but be kind. :scared:
:cow:

Hmmmm, reminds me of a song...
Well I was born in a small town
And I live in a small town
Probably die in a small town
Oh, those small communities
All my friends are so small town
My parents live in the same small town
My job is so small town
Provides little opportunity...*

You could be talking about my small town, lol


*Small Town ~ John C. Mellencamp/Kenny Chesney
 
Miz

I think you way over estimate how many people work at BBL. I do agree however that RW was

a "player" in that neck of the woods.

It's not the number who work there, that makes it stick out to me, it's the number of R's who have ties to there, and the car lot, and the business that has no bricks.
 
BBL could be a place for all to gather and have meetings. About the only thing we haven't torn apart by theories are the cars, car lots, and dealerships. If all those cars CRsr and Dana owned (including the ones not in their names but they owned) were important enough to tow away, then why? I understand that probate is taking a long time to get settled to. Is there really something in the trailers/cars/personal property their keeping or are they using them to "sweat out" families that may be involved or know info that LE/BCI need to solve this case.

The cars were all checked to see if they were stolen. They were checking if CR1 was running a chop shop and selling parts illegally. Apparently all the car VINs came back OK and none were reported stolen....
 
The cars were all checked to see if they were stolen. They were checking if CR1 was running a chop shop and selling parts illegally. Apparently all the car VINs came back OK and none were reported stolen....

That's not what I meant. I didn't say it right. It's the car lot, SRTC where they sold their cars, that peeks my interest. It's another link to them and the other areas of my other post. I didn't ever think that the Rs stole any of their vehicles. I really think that they may have been trying to get their own legit used car business going and wanted out of something they'd gotten into, maybe a few years back, when we see the property and buildings starting to show up. I am most likely wrong, but the thing that all of them had in common, was that person, and his businesses.
 
That's not what I meant. I didn't say it right. It's the car lot, SRTC where they sold their cars, that peeks my interest. It's another link to them and the other areas of my other post. I didn't ever think that the Rs stole any of their vehicles. I really think that they may have been trying to get their own legit used car business going and wanted out of something they'd gotten into, maybe a few years back, when we see the property and buildings starting to show up. I am most likely wrong, but the thing that all of them had in common, was that person, and his businesses.

I could never understand what that new big pole barn was to be used for. The layout of it doesn't make sense for an automotive business or a grow op. I guess if there is a loft that was to be used for a grow op and the bottom for automotive work possibly. That "lean-to" like part towards the road dosen't seem to fit either use. It looks more like a cattle or dairy barn to me. Maybe it was a "kit" type building he got at a lowered price for some reason and decided it was close enough for what he wanted. I don't know...
 
Somebody (more than 1 or 2 people) had it in for the R's, sort of a collaboration of people who just couldn't stand the R's and wanted them dead. Oh, and for sure I would include some dirty cops too.

I don't see JW as being a main player. Would he keep a secret in order to obtain custody of his daughter? Without blinking an eye, I am sure. Same goes for the G's. I think the road rage incident, the derby car incident, and custody of the children were all motives. I cannot see a PM. Maybe 1 or 2 or more in the M or R family had Rx's for hydros and that they occasionally sold their pills, or maybe there was a nursing home involved with a PM ring. Docs have really toughened up on testing people who are using pain pills and making sure you bring your pills in so they can count them and drug testing urine and blood now that it really doesn't pay to try to sell them any more in my opinion.

The surviving children will now receive social security until they are 18? I can't quite remember who that real nice truck belonged to, but it seems more than one person wanted that truck too. To me, it's who benefited the most from the death of this family, and the list is extensive. I lean toward the R's getting tired of doing all the hard labor of indoor grows and having to keep everything so secretive and not receiving much money at all. They wanted Hanna M. to retain custody of S and part of that may have been getting out of the grow business. I think dirty LE was getting most of the money made from the R's grows. CR, Sr. put his foot down about getting more money from the grows and he and almost his entire family were slaughtered. I agree with RSD too in that I think the victims had guns shoved into their mouths. I'm sure locals know just how it happened, but if I lived there I wouldn't be spilling my guts about it either.

The text message from JM to JW is what puzzles me. It is very hard to imagine a brother turning on a sister, and perhaps it was done in an attempt to implicate the Manleys from the beginning - which certainly seems to have worked because LM said that's what LE asked him regarding murdering his own daughter.
 
I could never understand what that new big pole barn was to be used for. The layout of it doesn't make sense for an automotive business or a grow op. I guess if there is a loft that was to be used for a grow op and the bottom for automotive work possibly. That "lean-to" like part towards the road dosen't seem to fit either use. It looks more like a cattle or dairy barn to me. Maybe it was a "kit" type building he got at a lowered price for some reason and decided it was close enough for what he wanted. I don't know...

I think it was likely a kit that they put up themselves. I kinda thought they used it to store vehicles they were working on, until they could get them moved over to the other shop, beside CR1's trailer. The long edge of the barn could have been used to store parts out of the weather. From all indications, it seems it had a dirt floor. The long part could have even been used to dry weed. It has to be hung and dried for a period of time.
 
Somebody (more than 1 or 2 people) had it in for the R's, sort of a collaboration of people who just couldn't stand the R's and wanted them dead. Oh, and for sure I would include some dirty cops too.

I don't see JW as being a main player. Would he keep a secret in order to obtain custody of his daughter? Without blinking an eye, I am sure. Same goes for the G's. I think the road rage incident, the derby car incident, and custody of the children were all motives. I cannot see a PM. Maybe 1 or 2 or more in the M or R family had Rx's for hydros and that they occasionally sold their pills, or maybe there was a nursing home involved with a PM ring. Docs have really toughened up on testing people who are using pain pills and making sure you bring your pills in so they can count them and drug testing urine and blood now that it really doesn't pay to try to sell them any more in my opinion.

The surviving children will now receive social security until they are 18? I can't quite remember who that real nice truck belonged to, but it seems more than one person wanted that truck too. To me, it's who benefited the most from the death of this family, and the list is extensive. I lean toward the R's getting tired of doing all the hard labor of indoor grows and having to keep everything so secretive and not receiving much money at all. They wanted Hanna M. to retain custody of S and part of that may have been getting out of the grow business. I think dirty LE was getting most of the money made from the R's grows. CR, Sr. put his foot down about getting more money from the grows and he and almost his entire family were slaughtered. I agree with RSD too in that I think the victims had guns shoved into their mouths. I'm sure locals know just how it happened, but if I lived there I wouldn't be spilling my guts about it either.

The text message from JM to JW is what puzzles me. It is very hard to imagine a brother turning on a sister, and perhaps it was done in an attempt to implicate the Manleys from the beginning - which certainly seems to have worked because LM said that's what LE asked him regarding murdering his own daughter.

I'm with you on the PM. Mostly because, back a few years ago, they started making opiates harder to crush. It's difficult to find the old kind now. Not saying folks don't still get them and use them, but it's a much bigger hassle to get them and they don't sell for as much now. It's more like you said, Granny, or Uncle Joe, might sell a few of theirs to pay the electric bill. If it's got anything to do with drugs, I'd guess Heroin. I do think that FR probably smoked weed, and the other kids too (well maybe not the nursing mothers at that time...), but there was no grow op at FR's, and no signs of trafficking, or there'd have been no burial aid from the state. However, I keep going back to the article from 2016;

It wasn't a Mexican drug cartel. The killers weren't from another country. The people who wiped out eight members of a family in Pike County last April are likely locals. At least, that's the theory Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader is leaning toward. For the first time since the killings, Reader recently sat down with a reporter to discuss the investigation at length and in depth. "That's my belief," he said.

Police said they found marijuana at all of the crime scenes except Dana's house. Reader said some of the victims were selling it.
[FONT=&quot]That revelation led investigators to consider whether or not the killings could be connected to a Mexican drug cartel previously suspected of moving pot through Pike County.

[/FONT]Tim Reagan, head of Cincinnati’s Drug Enforcement Administration office, said he's confident that's not the case. "I think if there was a strong Mexican cartel connection I'd feel more comfortable with telling you,” he said. “I don't see it."

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"It wasn't because they had a couple of little indoor grows. It wasn't because there was just a couple of cars on the property that may have been stolen," Reader said. "It's much bigger than that."[/FONT]

This has always led me to believe that it wasn't really about drugs. It seems they found weed and a couple dodgy vehicles, and that was it, but they did find something that was dark.

https://www.wcpo.com/longform/pike-...lers-in-rhoden-family-homicides-may-be-locals
 
I'm with you on the PM. Mostly because, back a few years ago, they started making opiates harder to crush. It's difficult to find the old kind now. Not saying folks don't still get them and use them, but it's a much bigger hassle to get them and they don't sell for as much now. It's more like you said, Granny, or Uncle Joe, might sell a few of theirs to pay the electric bill. If it's got anything to do with drugs, I'd guess Heroin. I do think that FR probably smoked weed, and the other kids too (well maybe not the nursing mothers at that time...), but there was no grow op at FR's, and no signs of trafficking, or there'd have been no burial aid from the state. However, I keep going back to the article from 2016;







This has always led me to believe that it wasn't really about drugs. It seems they found weed and a couple dodgy vehicles, and that was it, but they did find something that was dark.

https://www.wcpo.com/longform/pike-...lers-in-rhoden-family-homicides-may-be-locals

"Tim Reagan, head of Cincinnati’s Drug Enforcement Administration office, said he's confident that's not the case. "I think if there was a strong Mexican cartel connection I'd feel more comfortable with telling you,” he said. “I don't see it.""
Was this said before the undercover operation was going on in Middletown or during that time? Was he unaware of that undercover operation was involved with the Mexican Cartel. Did he say that so he wouldn't compromise that operation or just not tell the truth? Middletown is just north of Cinncinnati and I'd think they
would have known of that operation...
 
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