OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #31

[amauet1]

Following along on this line of thought. Why were all that could have inherited all the land killed?( babies can't make legal decissions) Seems that whoever became in charge of the lands and possible businesses in CRsr's name would be in charge of further use of those things.

 

[amauet1]

Thank you amauet1! I find this fascinating for some reason. I was under the impression that none of the insurance monies would be paid out because CR1 by having the indoor pot grows and that would be a felony. I'm glad the family was able to obtain the insurance monies. My personal situation involved insurance not paying because the insured person was killed while committing a felony of breaking and entering.

I feel sort of like RSD that KR may have been the unwitting informant to the murderers, but I also put BJM in that category too.

Eight people murdered for custody of a child seems like overkill. However, I find it interesting that at least one male heir was murdered at each crime scene. When I look at this video that Betty P posted in the Media & Timeline thread:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/04/24/ohio-killings-marijuana-grow-operations-nick-valencia.cnn

I very much get the feeling that this was a compound, the Rhoden compound. I don't want to say similar to Waco, but it just reminds me of a compound. At the end, the reporter says that a good friend of Dana felt that the family had been stalked. Sheriff warned everyone to arm themselves, but the reporter said everyone he had talked to was very pro #2A and were already armed (sounds like my county and state). Reporter talks about how LE was very familiar with the R's and this reporter said they dug into court records. I know y'all have hashed and rehashed this information so I apologize for bring it up again. It just seems as we approach the 2nd anniversary that something is in the air. It has to be horrible for the people living right there who knew the Rhodens (and extended relatives) on a personal level, worked with them and partied with them. Now I'm spooking myself! I don't blame the W's for leaving town (not that they didn't play a part in order to be able to get custody of S). I bet others would leave too if they could afford the move.

One of the small outbuildings looked as if it had a solar panel on the roof. Not positive, but it kinda looked like a solar panel. Very, very unassuming building and if you just glanced at it, you probably wouldn't think twice about that being a pot grow. I wonder if CR1 took advantage of the added incentive of a tax credit by purchasing some solar panels.

There were 2 other children besides the newborn infant K and little S. And since K was DNA-proven to be a G too, is that the same G family as HHG? Gotta give credit where credit is due, these people do NOT LEAK INFORMATION! Washington should take notes on how not to leak information. LE showed LM what lengths they were willing to go to in order to shut LM up. Another thought is that that tracking device LE attached to JM's truck and they also attached one to the W's vehicles, but I think that vehicle was left behind (no link). I wonder if JW tipped JM off about the tracking device being on his truck too? I know JM was supposedly working on his truck when he found the device, but he could have been tipped off. These murders were methodical and it feels mafia-like to me.

ETA: DS is fishy to me too.

For the record, I live in Texas and yes I am a redneck. I am 100% positive if I lived in Ohio that I would definitely be a hillbilly.

Good Post! I never even thought of solar panels! I always thought that since KR and BH (KR's sidekick) worked for the Columbus Utilities, they had rigged up the electric somehow, that the usage wouldn't be noticed on the electric bill and call attention to themselves.

 

[amauet1]

I think that I know who used this building, and for what, but, I don't understand why it was registered in CR2's name. If my thinking is correct; Why would I register a business in my name, in a field that I've never been associated with, for someone of no relation to me, to set up shop, in a building that I do not own?

I think I remember that RW co-owned this business with CRsr. And that RW's current of ex-wife is in the physicial theropy business. The plots thicken!

 

[rsd1200]

Question for those who are familiar with probate, would owing taxes on properties stagnate the probate process? Two properties in Scioto are showing Balance Due figures under Current Tax.

Also:
One other thing I've thought of, GR, he seemed to float back and forth between Greenup and Piketon. One of the papers said he was a resident of Greenup at the time of his death. GR's mom spoke to one paper anonymously.

GR's stepmother: "'CR2. had worked to get GR off of drugs and alcohol and had helped him repeatedly to stay clean and sober, said GR's stepmother, RR. “CR2 got himoff of all that stuff...' (1)

GR's mother;
“It’s an awful thing to happen, I’ll tell you,” she said. GR, she said, had gone to stay withhis nephew, which he did from time to time because they were so close in age. They had talked, she said, on Wednesday. “I told him that I loved him,” she said. Of the reports of a marijuana operation, she said, “I can’t believe that. That’s just hard tobelieve. But you know, things happen.” (2)

GR's obituary w/family listed. (3)

(1) https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/10/15/pike-county-death-foothills/91496698/

(2) http://www.cantonrep.com/article/20160424/news/304249980

(3) http://www.clrfuneralhome.com/single-post/2016/04/26/Gary-D-Rhoden-1

And, then, I'm just gonna leave this here. I don't think this was over weed though, but the Detroit trips sound familiar.

http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/...ug-Trafficing-Operation-Busted-218363651.html

 

[rsd1200]

I think I remember that RW co-owned this business with CRsr. And that RW's current of ex-wife is in the physicial theropy business. The plots thicken!

I believe you are correct. If it gets much thicker I'd hate to be the one stirrin' it. Need an awful big stick.

 

[amauet1]

Would 2 of the great researchers help me out please! (Betty P and Rsd) I have been in the probate records again, mostly Kenneth's since he has so many people applying for parts of his estate. Of course their's his children and KR2 is his admin. But included is LR's ex/current wife? And his child? His ex-wife StaRig, but also included is a Den*** Rhoden who was Kenneth's niece. Why is she in there? Her father was Uncle to CRsr, TR1, BR1 and Kenneth. Name William who died last year. Her brother is Josh Rhoden who was arrested with a McJunkin last year for drug bust. Another person who applied for Kenneth's estate is a Sh*** A Wood**** whose mother's last name is McJunkin.
Just when I think I have a handle on all this families relation's even more pop up! Please could you guys check this out and help me understand who all these people are? Why would a niece be applying for part of her Uncles estate when none of the other's are? (as far as I know) Thx

 

[rsd1200]

Would 2 of the great researchers help me out please! (Betty P and Rsd) I have been in the probate records again, mostly Kenneth's since he has so many people applying for parts of his estate. Of course their's his children and KR2 is his admin. But included is LR's ex/current wife? And his child? His ex-wife StaRig, but also included is a Den*** Rhoden who was Kenneth's niece. Why is she in there? Her father was Uncle to CRsr, TR1, BR1 and Kenneth. Name William who died last year. Her brother is Josh Rhoden who was arrested with a McJunkin last year for drug bust. Another person who applied for Kenneth's estate is a Sh*** A Wood**** whose mother's last name is McJunkin.
Just when I think I have a handle on all this families relation's even more pop up! Please could you guys check this out and help me understand who all these people are? Why would a niece be applying for part of her Uncles estate when none of the other's are? (as far as I know) Thx

I'll look but I'm going to be out quite a bit today so it may be bit before I can dig around. I kinda thought it odd that TR was overseeing LM's grandkids estates. A grandparent is closer in the chain than an uncle. Then again, maybe LM just wanted to oversee DR's. The rest was too much for him.

 

[amauet1]

I'll look but I'm going to be out quite a bit today so it may be bit before I can dig around. I kinda thought it odd that TR was overseeing LM's grandkids estates. A grandparent is closer in the chain than an uncle. Then again, maybe LM just wanted to oversee DR's. The rest was too much for him.

There is something screwy about all this probate stuff. The only probate things I'm familiar with is , parent to child and my nephew died without a wife or parents left alive. I thought his only sibling left alive would be in charge of his estate, but it was his children who were all minors. I don't know how it goes with this situation, but it seems since Mr. Manley has been reported as being poor, then if he could he would have went after it. And I need to correct that Kenneth and Den*** Rhoden would have been cousins, not her being his niece.

 

[Betty P]

There is something screwy about all this probate stuff. The only probate things I'm familiar with is , parent to child and my nephew died without a wife or parents left alive. I thought his only sibling left alive would be in charge of his estate, but it was his children who were all minors. I don't know how it goes with this situation, but it seems since Mr. Manley has been reported as being poor, then if he could he would have went after it. And I need to correct that Kenneth and Den*** Rhoden would have been cousins, not her being his niece.

My guess is that Tony R had enough on his plate trying to administer all the other estates of the Rhoden family. It's possible that he and LM agreed to let him handle Dana's.

Were Dana and Chris Sr actually divorced? I know they had split up and were getting back together. If they were legally divorced, then Tony would not have been the appropriate adult to serve as adimin of her estate.

It's such a difficult situation, since parents and their children were all killed and the only survivors in their immediate family were the infants and toddler.

As for KR, his daughter is the rational, legal choice as admin. As for the others, I'll have to check. If KR owned real estate inherited from Clarence Rhoden, I can see cousins, nieces, etc. wanting to keep that to share with any R family members who wanted to inherit part of it, just to keep it in the family for sentimental reasons. IIRC, a significant part of the land that CR1 owned was part of Clarence's estate. CR1 inherited some of it and bought the some from other family heirs. But, yeah, I can see them wanting to pass some of Clarence's land on to younger descendants. KR didn't have much in the way of other assets, did he?

 

[Betty P]

Would 2 of the great researchers help me out please! (Betty P and Rsd) I have been in the probate records again, mostly Kenneth's since he has so many people applying for parts of his estate. Of course their's his children and KR2 is his admin. But included is LR's ex/current wife? And his child? His ex-wife StaRig, but also included is a Den*** Rhoden who was Kenneth's niece. Why is she in there? Her father was Uncle to CRsr, TR1, BR1 and Kenneth. Name William who died last year. Her brother is Josh Rhoden who was arrested with a McJunkin last year for drug bust. Another person who applied for Kenneth's estate is a Sh*** A Wood**** whose mother's last name is McJunkin.
Just when I think I have a handle on all this families relation's even more pop up! Please could you guys check this out and help me understand who all these people are? Why would a niece be applying for part of her Uncles estate when none of the other's are? (as far as I know) Thx

Ok, looking at Kenneth's probate documents, he and CR1 were joint owners of the properties at 4077 Union Hill Rd and 3 parcels at Left Fork Rd. The latter is the larger property and has higher value. CR1 & KR's ownership of these properties is 1/4 each, so that means, contrary to stuff I read here in the past, B and Tony Rhoden still own 1/2 of those properties. To the best of my recollection, these were all properties originally owned by their father, Clarence.

The value of KR's tangible personal property is around $1300, the cash he had in the bank. The rest is his real estate.

This link just shows his surviving kin. They would be legally entitled to inherit part of his estate.

http://www.pikecountypjcourt.com/re...146709263689130474542274647606671402546744747

I'm not seeing any docs with his ex wife's name on them, nor am I finding his death certificate. Will have to look further.

 

[Satchie]

If there is no will when someone dies, appointment of executor and division of assets is determined by state law. I don't know about Ohio's law but normally an executor would be assigned for each individual with priority to surviving spouse, then children, then parents, then siblings, in that sequence. So Dana's father and siblings would have priority over her brother-in-law, for sure, even if she was still married when she and her husband died.

For division of assets, again if there was no will, relatives can register a claim, but the probate court will decide and would normally divide the assets equally between the children (if there's no spouse), they would not allow 2nd cousins, etc, to get any part of the estate.

 

[?mysterian?]

Ok, following your line of thought. RW and CRsr had a medical LLC formed in Adams Co in (can't remember the year). RW owns BBL which is a resort where both rich and poor rent out camping spots and hang out for "recreation". RW has businesses in various circles of interest, in Ohio and other states. Could RW have received inside info before other businesses in and around Ohio about this legallization of medical mj coming to Ohio? I'm assuming that since the Rhoden family always worked at BBL and help build it , that RW was aware that KR and CRsr grew mj. While waiting for the legalization to come through, CRsr and KR begin planning for larger grows, maybe outside and inside grow ups to increase the productiveity of the mj. This would require more land for future growths and profits, so CRsr began buying up foreclosures and aquiring more land. Bankers and other Higher Ups could be in this circle providing help with money and inside info about the lands that could be bought at a low price. This would keep the higher ups hands clean since the only name on things that can be traced would be CRsr's.Here's where it gets tricky. If this is the scenerio, it means that CRsr was going legit and making lots of money, the potencial profits could immense!Now who would know of this? I've "heard" about plans made by Dana and CRsr wanting to retire after CRJrc graduated high school and move to Florida. Family would know and whomever else because I've again "herad" that Dana liked to talk.

This makes sense. Plus, if a company was nearby that could turn MJ into other products worth more money (say, a compounding chemical company, maybe Hadsell), well, that's a bonus too. It seems possible that some folks could've had the foresight to plan for the time that MJ would be legalized in Ohio. IIRC, only a limited number of growers received licenses/permits to be allowed to grow/sell MJ, possibly resulting in competition to be one of the approved few. Could the Rhodens have been trying to become legitimate MJ growers? Here's the link to Ohio's Medical MJ program: https://www.medicalmarijuana.ohio.gov

 

[amauet1]

Betty, while I was checking those probate records I noticed a familiar name. The judge who's handling probate is named Robert N Rosenberger, don't know if he's related to Rep Rosenberger.

 

[Betty P]

Betty, while I was checking those probate records I noticed a familiar name. The judge who's handling probate is named Robert N Rosenberger, don't know if he's related to Rep Rosenberger.

That's interesting. The judge is quite a bit older than Rep. Rosenberger, but could be a relation. Not saying he's doing anything wrong.

 

[Flatbush]

I have contacted a few as well. Think I will contact them again. I figure if we can get a network (worth enough money) that refuses to be deterred, thats what we need.

Off topic, does anyone find it odd that Sheriff Reader is constantly after the druggies (which is good)...BUT he never mentions the biggest crime in Ohio history?

Anniversary coming up!

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[Betty P]

This makes sense. Plus, if a company was nearby that could turn MJ into other products worth more money (say, a compounding chemical company, maybe Hadsell), well, that's a bonus too. It seems possible that some folks could've had the foresight to plan for the time that MJ would be legalized in Ohio. IIRC, only a limited number of growers received licenses/permits to be allowed to grow/sell MJ, possibly resulting in competition to be one of the approved few. Could the Rhodens have been trying to become legitimate MJ growers? Here's the link to Ohio's Medical MJ program: https://www.medicalmarijuana.ohio.gov

Yes, it seems very possible they were looking at becoming a legit MJ grow op if the Issue 3 referendum passed. That was the one that was defeated in Nov 2015, sponsored by a cartel of multi-millionaire investors. Efforts to get a "grassroots" referendum on the ballot were in the works when the Rhodens were killed. The "grassroots" MJ legalization group in Ohio was made up of small farmers who wanted others like them to be able to grow it legally.

CR & KR were very good at ag/farming, having learned it from their dad, Clarence. If you read the long Cincinnati.com article that Chris Graves wrote about the Rhoden family, Tony R talks of how the old man had a large garden and orchards to supplement their food in lean times. The old man worked out of town during the week, so the boys were expected to keep up the garden. I'm guessing CR1 and KR grew quality product. I read some article last year about the MJ trade that said Pike County had a decades-long reputation for producing high quality stuff.

Makes sense if they and other MJ grow ops in that area were positioning themselves for legalization. There were also some articles linked here in the past about how MJ legalization can lead to some turf wars between growers who aren't legal.

Interesting that Eury's grow op was busted right after the Rhoden murders. Apparently LE decided to crack down. I wonder which illegal growers down there are still operating? Would it have anything to do with some families moving out of state?

Hadsell stood to profit regardless of which type of reform bill was passed - cartel or local small farmers. The Ohio Leg quickly passed a bill after the Rhoden murders, though, that created a system of state approved cartels for the 3 production steps - growing, processing and retail distribution. Nearly all the license winners are from out of state, including one headed up by a guy in AZ who has public links to the Sinaloa cartel.

Product will still flow from Pike & surrounding counties for those customers without medical prescriptions. Wonder who will control that market? Is there someone who decides who gets busted and who doesn't.

 

[Betty P]

I have contacted a few as well. Think I will contact them again. I figure if we can get a network (worth enough money) that refuses to be deterred, thats what we need.

Off topic, does anyone find it odd that Sheriff Reader is constantly after the druggies (which is good)...BUT he never mentions the biggest crime in Ohio history?

Anniversary coming up!

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Has anyone heard if the Rhoden friends/family/ community is planning any memorial service or candlelight vigil, etc? It would be great if they could and I would gladly donate to help with costs. Anyone up for a road trip to help out?

We really need to help them get this case back in the news media.

ETA: How about "Hands Across Union Hill Road"? We could get supporters to form a human chain from DR's home to 4077 to Left Fork Rd?

Get a busload of folks to the state capitol to demonstrate on the steps, with a press conference, signs, banners, etc.?

 

[?mysterian?]

Yes, it seems very possible they were looking at becoming a legit MJ grow op if the Issue 3 referendum passed. That was the one that was defeated in Nov 2015, sponsored by a cartel of multi-millionaire investors. Efforts to get a "grassroots" referendum on the ballot were in the works when the Rhodens were killed. The "grassroots" MJ legalization group in Ohio was made up of small farmers who wanted others like them to be able to grow it legally. CR & KR were very good at ag/farming, having learned it from their dad, Clarence. If you read the long Cincinnati.com article that Chris Graves wrote about the Rhoden family, Tony R talks of how the old man had a large garden and orchards to supplement their food in lean times. The old man worked out of town during the week, so the boys were expected to keep up the garden. I'm guessing CR1 and KR grew quality product. I read some article last year about the MJ trade that said Pike County had a decades-long reputation for producing high quality stuff.Makes sense if they and other MJ grow ops in that area were positioning themselves for legalization. There were also some articles linked here in the past about how MJ legalization can lead to some turf wars between growers who aren't legal. Interesting that Eury's grow op was busted right after the Rhoden murders. Apparently LE decided to crack down. I wonder which illegal growers down there are still operating? Would it have anything to do with some families moving out of state? Hadsell stood to profit regardless of which type of reform bill was passed - cartel or local small farmers. The Ohio Leg quickly passed a bill after the Rhoden murders, though, that created a system of state approved cartels for the 3 production steps - growing, processing and retail distribution. Nearly all the license winners are from out of state, including one headed up by a guy in AZ who has public links to the Sinaloa cartel. Product will still flow from Pike & surrounding counties for those customers without medical prescriptions. Wonder who will control that market? Is there someone who decides who gets busted and who doesn't.

Possibly the illegal market will still be run by the shadowy good ol' boy network that's been alluded to in previous posts.

 

[Betty P]

Possibly the illegal market will still be run by the shadowy good ol' boy network that's been alluded to in previous posts.

I have no idea, we're just speculating here on the GOB network. But, yeah, when DeWine and Reader refer to illegal activities that have been going on for a couple of decades or so, they must be referring to something like that.

I wish we could get a retired DEA or FBI agent to drop in here and help us with some background info. Just give us a hint on our theories

:gathering:

Hot? :furious:

Cold? :coldcase:

Or really cold :floorlaugh:

 

[Dudly]

Off topic but interesting unsolved murder case victim identified after 37 years...

https://www.whio.com/news/local/mia...nsolved-homicide-case/fmfdENjXMReEHV5VZGPcpI/