OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[MittenScarpetta]

No, he's just acting as the administrator,doing the paperwork for the court. In probate court, once settled, any remaining assets will be divvied up according to Ohio law. The only living heirs are the surviving minor grandchildren. He may be reimbursed from the estates for the filing fees he's been paying out of his own pocket. The only interest he would have in any assets is protecting any joint ownership in the family owned real estate, inherited from their father. At this point, it's a thankless task for him, but he's probably doing it out of loyalty to the family.

All real estate and cash assets of the murdered family members have been publicly listed in the probate documents. The properties have been searched and the only assets revealed were the trailers, barn, sheds and junk cars, trucks, equipment.

They weren't wealthy people and there were no expensive cars or piles of cash hidden in garages or barns. JMO, I find it offensive that some continue to characterize these murder victims as crooked, underhanded people who somehow deserved their fate or brought this tragedy upon themselves. So far, there's no proof of that and LE continues to view them as victims of a terrible murder.

I agree, they weren’t wealthy people. But they weren’t poor either.

Where have you seen these victims characterized as crooked, underhanded people who somehow deserved their fate or brought this tragedy upon themselves?

I’ve never insinuated that or said that, but I can only speak for myself. I’ve never seen it here on websleuths.

I do think when DeWine made a public statement about grow operations and cartels, that effected the public’s perception of this case in general. Had I not continued to follow the case, I probably would have been left with the perception the case was solved and cartels were to blame.

Personally, the murders of these 8 people has ripped my heart out. I’ve never thought any of them deserved this or brought it upon themselves.

I actually still get upset when I see HMR, FR, & HG referred to as adults in the headlines. Even though they were legal adults, they were still kids in my eyes.

I have thought and do still think the family trusted someone who murdered them. But that’s not their fault in any way. This family came in contact with evil and the only ones to blame for that are the ones who murdered them in cold blood.

I also find it repulsing that 8 lives were taken and there’s still only a little over $11,000 in reward money offered. That’s a severe insult to the deceased and the remaining family.

 

[molly1255]

This may have been discussed in the past, and I apologize if it has. I'm attaching an article from June 2017 in which the W's former pastor talks about them:

[FONT=&amp]"Cinereski said he believes the Wagners are moving to the Central Kenai Peninsula, something they have been planning to do much of the decade-plus he has known them since he headed a church in Minford, Ohio. Over the past 11 years, the Wagners have come up three times to visit and fish."

[/FONT]AW said JW and HR had worked out a custody arrangement and I think it involved a week on, week off arrangement. How would that custody arrangement work if JW was living in Alaska?

It wouldn't work. There are also reports that JW was trying to get HR to sign over her parental rights to S before the murders. JMO, but I think the W's had been quite anxious to get to the flock in Alaska for some time, and I also think the only thing that stopped them from moving earlier is because the custody situation with S was not resolved.

JMO

http://www.radiokenai.us/family-wanted-in-ohio-killings-maybe-on-the-kenai/

 

[goofyone]

I totally get it.

Let’s take weed and cartels out of the theories for just one second.

Pretend there were no grow operations and/or no illegal activity what so ever on behalf of the victims.

Could it still be a professional hit? Absolutely.

Now, who has the motive and money to hire a professional hit on 8 people?

On top of that, who had access to Dana’s house to know the layout on top of knowing she had a new residence in the month before the murders?

How could professional hit men get around the dogs? Chance, CRsr’s dog was said to be vicious. LM stated that himself and said he wouldn’t even try to go around that dog unless Dana or Chris was right there.

But yet the dogs were left alive.

Why was a truck owned by JM considered to be used in the commission of murder, a year after the murders? A truck he didn’t own at the time of the murders.

Why did the W’s start preparing to move 6-7 weeks after the murders in June 2016 by selling off their animals? And right after they just built a new barn on Peterson road?

Why has JW’s story changed? First, he said he missed the murder by hours, getting S the night before the murders.

6 months later the story was changed and AW said JW got S the week prior on 4/12/16.

just a couple of thoughts.. I don't believe these were professional hits... I believe they knew their killers
also I wonder if JW had S a week beforw and picked her up that night.. no reason both didn't happen
and lastly if my child had her entire family on other side of her family murdered this was I would move heaven and earth to get her as far from that place as I possibly could

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[MittenScarpetta]

This may have been discussed in the past, and I apologize if it has. I'm attaching an article from June 2017 in which the W's former pastor talks about them:

[FONT=&amp]"Cinereski said he believes the Wagners are moving to the Central Kenai Peninsula, something they have been planning to do much of the decade-plus he has known them since he headed a church in Minford, Ohio. Over the past 11 years, the Wagners have come up three times to visit and fish."

[/FONT]AW said JW and HR had worked out a custody arrangement and I think it involved a week on, week off arrangement. How would that custody arrangement work if JW was living in Alaska?

It wouldn't work. There are also reports that JW was trying to get HR to sign over her parental rights to S before the murders. JMO, but I think the W's had been quite anxious to get to the flock in Alaska for some time, and I also think the only thing that stopped them from moving earlier is because the custody situation with S was not resolved.

JMO

http://www.radiokenai.us/family-wanted-in-ohio-killings-maybe-on-the-kenai/

Another thing to consider...

From everything I’ve read, R & K remained in states custody for a very long time-according to the media.

Almost one year after the murders, Reader said in this article that the babies were still in foster care.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/100409216

However, if JW thought K was his child, why were him and his family making arrangements to move 4000 miles away?
Their house sold a month before this article. But K was still in foster care.

Perhaps, paternity test results were known by the W’s at that time, but surely paternity test results weren’t known in June 2016 when they began selling their animals.

 

[molly1255]

Another thing to consider...

From everything I’ve read, R & K remained in states custody for a very long time-according to the media.

Almost one year after the murders, Reader said in this article that the babies were still in foster care.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/100409216

However, if JW thought K was his child, why were him and his family making arrangements to move 4000 miles away?
Their house sold a month before this article. But K was still in foster care.

Perhaps, paternity test results were known by the W’s at that time, but surely paternity test results weren’t known in June 2016 when they began selling their animals.

I agree. JMO, but I think JW always knew he wasn't the father of KR and he knew the math didn't work out. He may have tried to make it appear he could have been KR's father to save face? I do think HR was way beyond being done with him romantically by the time KR was conceived.

ETA: It appears JW was awarded sole custody of S in June 2016, and as you said, that's when they began to sell their animals.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/29/rhoden-case-hate-seeing-my-daughter-cry/87645382/

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Can someone please clarify how we ended up in this in depth discussion about different types of various forms of insurance? Was there some recent news or information revealed to indicate the Rhoden family, though low income, had purchased large insurance policies on themselves and each other. These were people who had little income or assets. They could barely afford cars and modest trailers to live in. They supplemented their incomes by working extra shifts, commuted long distances for jobs raised and sold some MJ and fixed up salvage cars to earn extra money. How would they afford big life and disability insurance policies for everyone in the family.

For those following the theory of killing 8 people for insurance money, can you offer a summary of which victims had policies that will now be cashed in by the alleged killers? TIA.

We were talking about a one million dollar AD&D policy which can be purchased for about 50.00 (fifty dollars) a month. They are all over the internet. A huge sum can be purchased for a small amount of money.

No one is saying that the R's had any such insurance on themselves.

But...are you saying that they could not afford fifty dollars a month for life insurance with all those jobs and enterprises between them?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Why of course my darling! :loveyou: LOL! it's https://www.pikecountypjcourt.com

Thank you amauet. You are such a sweetheart. :happydance:

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I agree. JMO, but I think JW always knew he wasn't the father of KR and he knew the math didn't work out. He may have tried to make it appear he could have been KR's father to save face? I do think HR was way beyond being done with him romantically by the time KR was conceived.

ETA: It appears JW was awarded sole custody of S in June 2016, and as you said, that's when they began to sell their animals.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/29/rhoden-case-hate-seeing-my-daughter-cry/87645382/

Yes! I’ve thought the same many times. Just because he said it doesn’t make it true. Hanna was no longer here on this earth to be able to tell the facts whether his statements were true or whether they were lies to paint a picture to the media.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

That still seems like a small amount to motivate someone to participate in killing 8 people, especially if the killers are not the beneficiaries. If those policies actually exist, why bother? Why risk the death penalty for a relatively small sum of money that you have little chance of ever collecting?

75000.00 to me is a very small amount. But then I deal in large sums in my business.

Then again I have seen knock down drag out fights between married couples in my office over who gets what share of a 200.00 refund.

To some people 10.00 is a fortune. Ask any homeless or unemployed person.

Remember, one dollar is 100 times what a person with one penny has.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I agree. JMO, but I think JW always knew he wasn't the father of KR and he knew the math didn't work out. He may have tried to make it appear he could have been KR's father to save face? I do think HR was way beyond being done with him romantically by the time KR was conceived.

ETA: It appears JW was awarded sole custody of S in June 2016, and as you said, that's when they began to sell their animals.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/29/rhoden-case-hate-seeing-my-daughter-cry/87645382/

Actually, I stand corrected. The first sale of a large number of animals was mentioned on April 30, 2016. $2500.00 for 9 pigs, 2 of which were pregnant and due to birth in a few weeks.

June 3rd the new barn was almost complete.

July 20th family matters were taking precedence over the “breeding stock” and 4 pigs were put up for sale at $350 each.

The sale post for pigs continued through July, one post on July 29th staring “I have to downsize A LOT”

The Peterson road property went up for sale on 8/13/16.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

75000.00 to me is a very small amount. But then I deal in large sums in my business.

Then again I have seen knock down drag out fights between married couples in my office over who gets what share of a 200.00 refund.

To some people 10.00 is a fortune. Ask any homeless or unemployed person.

Remember, one dollar is 100 times what a person with one penny has.

I can attest to the married couples. I believe my ex husband & I argued and held up a divorce over a washer. It’s hilarious now, but at the time it was serious business LOL.

Emotions run extremely high when it comes to feeling a threat to money and property, with most people.

 

[rsd1200]

I think read somewhere, that she bought the trailer after getting her "disability" from social security?

That land originally came from a family, who has one of those "family trust" things, just as an aside.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm looking at it analytically, based on overall stats, criminal profiling and data sets of similar cases.

8 muders, 4 locations in a few hrs time
Professional job, multiple killers with experience

Sure, it's possible some local crank with a grudge pulled it off, but highly unlikely, JMO

No one is telling any one what to discuss, as long as it stays within forum rules. It's a frustrating case. I'm just trying to figure out where the theories are headed after so much discussion of insurance policies.

Maybe you should try looking at it from an unstable mentally ill person's view. Because anyone who would kill 8 people in 4 different locations is definitely not dealing with a full deck.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm not saying that money was the motive, because I have no idea of what kind of motive anyone could have to take out an entire family.

I know there's been some discussion about the Rhoden's being very poor. They did live simply and like everyone, they probably struggled at times. But CR Sr. was able to put down $30,000 on DR's mobile home. That is not chump change to most people. With everything included, The Rhoden's may have had more in assets than a lot of city people who live in middle class suburbs. JMO.

People who kill people close to them for money don't just do it for the money. There has to be some level of hatred for the victim also.

 

[molly1255]

I can attest to the married couples. I believe my ex husband & I argued and held up a divorce over a washer. It’s hilarious now, but at the time it was serious business LOL.

Emotions run extremely high when it comes to feeling a threat to money and property, with most people.

I can attest to this, too and mine was much small than a washing machine! I let my ex the gas grill. It was a very nice gas grill and was pretty expensive. He also wanted the set of Williams Sonoma grilling utensils that one of my good friends gave us for our wedding. Total value about $125. I took the set because it was a gift was from my friend. He went bonkers and it was so unpleasant that while I still have the utensils, I've never used them once in the past 10 years. LOL!

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I can attest to this, too and mine was much small than a washing machine! I let my ex the gas grill. It was a very nice gas grill and was pretty expensive. He also wanted the set of Williams Sonoma grilling utensils that one of my good friends gave us for our wedding. Total value about $125. I took the set because it was a gift was from my friend. He went bonkers and it was so unpleasant that while I still have the utensils, I've never used them once in the past 10 years. LOL!

LOL oh how I can relate.

 

[rsd1200]

Dennell Rhoden is the daughter of William "Denny" Rhoden.who died at Piketon Nursing Home. He was 66 years old. Denny is survived by his son Josh Rhoden of Peebles. 2 daughter's, Dennell is one of them. He had 2 brothers, John Rhoden and Kenneth Rhoden (GR's dad). Dennell is listed as one of KR's benificiary's . Why? When you pull up his estate she and others are listed. My question is why is a cousin eligiable for KR's estate. There are 2 pages by each person's name. One is the page that explains the filing of the claim the other is the Docket which lists all documents needed for your claim. Sense she was a minor when her guardian filed the claim, you cannot get to her info.

DnlR, turns 19 in July of this year. When they were murdered, she was not yet 17.

WDR married KN, in June, 1976. KNR passed in 1988, ten years too soon to be DnlR's mother.

WDR was in that horrible nursing home, so, it doesn't seem as if he was in good health, nor wealthy. WDR passed on 3/15/2017 (age 66).

The file date, for guardianship of DnlR was March 21, 2017 (after KR's and WDR's deaths). I'm thinking that KR, like a lot of folks who have sick kin, may have agreed to take care of her if something happened to WDR, but, KR died, before DnlR's father died. No one was expecting that, but, maybe KR had it written somewhere that she was to be included. If that makes sense. She was not far from HMR's and KR's age range, too. I could see family doing that, especially if it is a child who grew up with your own.

Just a guess.

 

[rsd1200]

I don’t believe they were poor in any sense.

I know a family that lives north of Appalachia. I’ve known them for 20+ years. Although they’re not in the Appalachia region, the culture is still prominent. Family get togethers are huge and include every extended family member-3rd and 4th cousins included.

Now, to drive by this families home, you’d think they were barely surviving. To step inside, you’d be even more inclined to believe they were poverty stricken. They have 2 barns on their property, junk all over, complete with a swimming pool filled with well water that resembles the color of a stagnant algae filled pond. At one time, a cousin even lived in a 1970s motorhome on the same property. My ex and I called him uncle Eddy because that’s how the motor home looked (and it was my ex’s cousin)

BUT-if you opened their barns, there’s 2 corvettes sitting inside and 4 Harley’s. There’s lot of antiques. Everyone drives nice vehicles and their favorite clothing store to shop is The Buckle. The father made $80k a year working in Lima. The mother made about $50k a year. But there was a hole in the bathroom floor.

They didn’t grow weed. But they sure smoked it. The two local bars were the highlight of the entire towns weekends. Young girls in the area got pregnant as teenagers and the young boys grow to be men working dead end jobs. It was and is a town that these people were born in and will someday die in. It’s a lifestyle that’s hard to understand unless you’ve lived it or had close ties to it.

I’ve always thought the Rhoden’s were unfairly judged and labeled as “poor” because of how some of the properties looked. When I look at the properties, I see a lot of money. Heavy machinery (I can’t remember if it was a backhoe but something like that), I quit counting how many cars cause I kept losing track, a new barn(those are expensive) on CRsr’s property.

The kids all went to prom, there were senior pics of FR, CRjr was driving a Tiburon (sp?).

All of these things are a clear indication that they weren’t poor.

I saw and still see a family who was determined to have more than what they came from. They appeared to work hard, even if it was odd jobs.

When I saw the pictures of Dana and Hanna going to the Lacs concert, my heart sank and I wondered if we had been at the same concert (I don’t believe we were).

Anyways, people can’t be judged by how their house looks. Some people prefer to spend their money on things and experiences instead of really nice homes.

There’s always more than what meets the eye, even if people really are poor.

:goodpost:This is soooo true.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I can attest to the married couples. I believe my ex husband & I argued and held up a divorce over a washer. It’s hilarious now, but at the time it was serious business LOL.

Emotions run extremely high when it comes to feeling a threat to money and property, with most people.

O?T I know a man who's son and daughter in law lived in a house they rented. They got into a huge fight and packed up their suitcases and each moved to a different state.

The son called his father and said "Dad can you go over and move everything out of my house. The rent is due and we have to get all the furniture and other stuff out."

The dad said "Sure son, I'll move everything out."

He told me he then hung up the phone and immediately put up a garage sale sign in the front yard. He said "When I get through there won't be anything at all left in the house."

True story.

 

[molly1255]

People who kill people close to them for money don't just do it for the money. There has to be some level of hatred for the victim also.

I really don't think it was about money. JMO. but I personally think that whoever is responsible for the murders would very likely fit the definition of a psychopath. They may have had a primary reason to take out 8 lives, but they may had other reasons as well. A psychopath can appear to be a normal person, but they lack conscience, empathy and remorse. A psychopath is also wired to win at all costs.

A "normal" person or persons did not kill the Rhodens, IMO. I think it was very likely the person or persons who killed the Rhodens appeared to be quite normal and were perhaps very nice to the Rhodens. I think they were able to hide the hatred they felt toward the family and I don't think the Rhodens had any idea of "what" they were really dealing with and they were all caught completely off-guard.