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Could anyone refresh my memory? I’m just laying here thinking before I fall asleep and my notes are on my desk.

Were the vehicles that were towed in the weeks after the murders all released back to the family? Or is PCSO still holding them at the impound lot with the trailers?
 
MittenScarpetta said:
Could anyone refresh my memory? I’m just laying here thinking before I fall asleep and my notes are on my desk.

Were the vehicles that were towed in the weeks after the murders all released back to the family? Or is PCSO still holding them at the impound lot with the trailers?
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As of November 24, 2016 Dewine said they could be returned, but they'd be returned through probate. I'm not sure where they are with probate. I've not checked lately.

Ohio's attorney general says dozens of cars, trucks and farming equipment have been investigated and will be returned to the relatives of eight family members who were slain earlier this year.

The Cincinnati Enquirer reports (Months later, surviving Rhodens to get vehicles back ) Attorney General Mike DeWine said Tuesday the vehicles will be returned through Pike County Probate Court procedures. Three trailers and a camper where the slayings took place will remain stored.
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Vehicles returning to relatives of 8 slain Rhoden family members
 
rsd1200 said:
Try here. They banter a bit before the start of the discussion about the murders.
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Dudly said:
Ep75 – The Pike County Murders
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rsd1200 said:
Try here. They banter a bit before the start of the discussion about the murders.
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If you have an iPhone, you can listen on the podcast app as well. Or an Android, there’s an app for droids as well.
 
Charliegizmo49 said:
So are you saying perhaps the entire truck issue was simply a means to an end? If so the OBCI has some very smart people. And what do you think JM knows to bring him to the table?
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JMO, it could have been BCI, but also PCSO. IIRC, it was PCSO's tracker that was put on the vehicle. It could have also been one of the other relevant counties working with the team - Adams or Scioto, etc. We just don't know and may never know. JMO, this case has gone cold and will stay cold. Solving it would put too many people's lives and careers at risk. A lot of money has been spent to maintain the status quo.
 
Betty P said:
JMO, it could have been BCI, but also PCSO. IIRC, it was PCSO's tracker that was put on the vehicle. It could have also been one of the other relevant counties working with the team - Adams or Scioto, etc. We just don't know and may never know. JMO, this case has gone cold and will stay cold. Solving it would put too many people's lives and careers at risk. A lot of money has been spent to maintain the status quo.
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If done correctly I think it could very much a part of the political race and force everyone to come back to the table. But it has to be a very well organized effort.
 
Betty P said:
JMO, it could have been BCI, but also PCSO. IIRC, it was PCSO's tracker that was put on the vehicle. It could have also been one of the other relevant counties working with the team - Adams or Scioto, etc. We just don't know and may never know. JMO, this case has gone cold and will stay cold. Solving it would put too many people's lives and careers at risk. A lot of money has been spent to maintain the status quo.
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BBM
I have to agree at this point. Unless it is suddenly solved as a political stunt before the elections, I doubt it will ever be solved unless some federal agencies get involved...
 
I think that they'll solve it. If they didn't want to solve it, for any reason at all, then they could have easily called this familial, in that KR went off the deep end, murdered them all over being pushed out of the weed op, then killed himself with a single gunshot wound to the head. DS could be made to go along with that, and the autopsies would still be sealed, due to the drugs involved and the investigation of further activity as a result of the murders. They didn't even have to tell us about the weed. They could have just said; Illegal drug activities were going on at three sites, with a street value of half a million dollars. It seems KR and his family had a falling out...yada yada yada, he murdered them and killed himself. That would be plausible. Look up how many times a single, white, male, does that.

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In fact, I've often thought, if that's not what they tried to make it look like, when they killed KR. A major family falling out, and KR was the perpetrator, instead of the traitor(s) who did it.
 
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rsd1200 said:
I think that they'll solve it. If they didn't want to solve it, for any reason at all, then they could have easily called this familial, in that KR went off the deep end, murdered them all over being pushed out of the weed op, then killed himself with a single gunshot wound to the head. DS could be made to go along with that, and the autopsies would still be sealed, due to the drugs involved and the investigation of further activity as a result of the murders. They didn't even have to tell us about the weed. They could have just said; Illegal drug activities were going on at three sites, with a street value of half a million dollars. It seems KR and his family had a falling out...yada yada yada, he murdered them and killed himself. That would be plausible. Look up how many times a single, white, male, does that.

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In fact, I've often thought, if that's not what they tried to make it look like, when they killed KR. A major family falling out, and KR was the perpetrator, instead of the traitor(s) who did it.
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That very well could be what the assailant(s) was/were going for. That would actually make a lot of sense as to only why KR was only shot once and lived 7-8 miles away.

How could the assailant(s) even hope for that to work though unless they left a firearm behind as well as making sure that KR pulled the trigger on himself with GSR on his hands?
 
MittenScarpetta said:
That very well could be what the assailant(s) was/were going for. That would actually make a lot of sense as to only why KR was only shot once and lived 7-8 miles away.

How could the assailant(s) even hope for that to work though unless they left a firearm behind as well as making sure that KR pulled the trigger on himself with GSR on his hands?
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Gloves? They likely wore gloves that night. Put a pair on KR, after they kill him, and leave the firearm. If LE had wanted a reason to stop this case, cold, in its tracks, and close it, the killer(s) gave them an out, KR.
 
That makes sense. They’d have to leave an untraceable gun or even maybe used KR’s own gun. I’d reckon KR slept with a firearm very near to him.....I believe it was KR2 who stated that in an interview but in case I’m remembering wrong I’m just reckoning and JMO.

I feel like the case has gone cold or is close to it. BUT I am still holding out hope that perhaps the upcoming election will bring an arrest in the next few months to come. Or someone will crack and not be able to handle the strain on their conscience any longer.

Maybe all the new DNA testing that’s recently solved the April Tinsley case will help solve this case. I know these murders were only a few months over 2 years ago BUT the advancements made in DNA testing even since then is phenomenal.


rsd1200 said:
Gloves? They likely wore gloves that night. Put a pair on KR, after they kill him, and leave the firearm. If LE had wanted a reason to stop this case, cold, in its tracks, and close it, the killer(s) gave them an out, KR.
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MittenScarpetta said:
That makes sense. They’d have to leave an untraceable gun or even maybe used KR’s own gun. I’d reckon KR slept with a firearm very near to him.....I believe it was KR2 who stated that in an interview but in case I’m remembering wrong I’m just reckoning and JMO.

I feel like the case has gone cold or is close to it. BUT I am still holding out hope that perhaps the upcoming election will bring an arrest in the next few months to come. Or someone will crack and not be able to handle the strain on their conscience any longer.

Maybe all the new DNA testing that’s recently solved the April Tinsley case will help solve this case. I know these murders were only a few months over 2 years ago BUT the advancements made in DNA testing even since then is phenomenal.
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BBM
That too could be true. So much advances quickly in the tech and science fields. Sometimes I feel it advances too quickly in some areas and in others, not quickly enough.

They've been doing things with identifying eye color, hair color, and skin tone, with dna phenotyping long enough now, that if the PCSO and/or OBCI had dna, I'd hope they'd submit it for testing. Then again, look how much info was released, on the suspected killer, of the little girls, Abby and Libby, dna was probably at the scene, and nothing thus far, that we are aware of, anyway. Sometimes it just takes time. I'd rather it take time, and they get them nailed to the wall, than do it fast and sloppy, and the murderers walk free.
 
rsd1200 said:
BBM
That too could be true. So much advances quickly in the tech and science fields. Sometimes I feel it advances too quickly in some areas and in others, not quickly enough.

They've been doing things with identifying eye color, hair color, and skin tone, with dna phenotyping long enough now, that if the PCSO and/or OBCI had dna, I'd hope they'd submit it for testing. Then again, look how much info was released, on the suspected killer, of the little girls, Abby and Libby, dna was probably at the scene, and nothing thus far, that we are aware of, anyway. Sometimes it just takes time. I'd rather it take time, and they get them nailed to the wall, than do it fast and sloppy, and the murderers walk free.
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I agree. And the Abby and Libby case..ugh. I followed that for a while and honestly I just can’t anymore because it shakes me to the core. Those poor little girls.

It’s crazy to me that both the Abby and Libby case as well as the Bevers case has video/photos of the suspects and no leads. And then this case with the number of victims and crime scenes and it’s still unsolved. 8 victims at the same time and 4 locations made me believe early on there was no way this case would go even months being unsolved.

I’m one of the few though that don’t believe these murders were that hard to pull off. There’s no other way for me to say it with more tact and I mean no disrespect nor do I mean to give any credit what so ever to the perpetrator(s).

I think sophisticated goes hand and hand with the victims knowing whoever killed them. Meaning, because the victims knew their assailant(s), that made the murders seem sophisticated. But in all reality, all the homes were in remote locations, 3 of them were within 3 minutes and/or seconds of each other. All these assailants needed was some kind of trust and or relationships with the victims and that sealed 80% what happened. JMO.
 
MittenScarpetta said:
I agree. And the Abby and Libby case..ugh. I followed that for a while and honestly I just can’t anymore because it shakes me to the core. Those poor little girls.

It’s crazy to me that both the Abby and Libby case as well as the Bevers case has video/photos of the suspects and no leads. And then this case with the number of victims and crime scenes and it’s still unsolved. 8 victims at the same time and 4 locations made me believe early on there was no way this case would go even months being unsolved.

I’m one of the few though that don’t believe these murders were that hard to pull off. There’s no other way for me to say it with more tact and I mean no disrespect nor do I mean to give any credit what so ever to the perpetrator(s).

I think sophisticated goes hand and hand with the victims knowing whoever killed them. Meaning, because the victims knew their assailant(s), that made the murders seem sophisticated. But in all reality, all the homes were in remote locations, 3 of them were within 3 minutes and/or seconds of each other. All these assailants needed was some kind of trust and or relationships with the victims and that sealed 80% what happened. JMO.
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As Dr. Cyril Wecht said, all it took was one person to know the family. The killers could have been unknown to them. He said the focus was on one person (most likely CR1) and the rest were killed because of what they knew and the risk they would present if left alive. He described it as both personal and professional.
 
Betty P said:
As Dr. Cyril Wecht said, all it took was one person to know the family. The killers could have been unknown to them. He said the focus was on one person (most likely CR1) and the rest were killed because of what they knew and the risk they would present if left alive. He described it as both personal and professional.
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Yes, I recall his statements. However, while I don’t discredit Mr. Wecht because he is world
renowned, his statements were also made very early on, a month afterwards and I believe they were based off of the limited knowledge the media was able to share.

“Obviously, who had a reason to kill them?” Fox said. Detectives will look most closely at family and business relationships, he said.

Using specially designed software, BCI criminal intelligence analysts are able to pull together tidbits of information and quickly detect patterns, Superintendent Strickrath said. This aids them in developing paths to follow, which are sure to be many with eight victims.

“It’s really the future of law enforcement; or part of the future,” he said.

Establishing relationships and connections is important - especially in a case that was this targeted, defined by DeWine as “calculated and cold-blooded.”
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Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist and lawyer who has served as a consultant on numerous murder cases, agreed.

“This was planned and organized,” he said, adding that he thinks perhaps someone close to the victims might have supplied information to the killers, either intentionally or unwittingly.

Both Fox and Wecht agreed one person was the prime target. The other victims were “secondary victims” -- either they could identify the killers or knew information that could easily lead police on their trail.

“Some were killed to cover up what they knew,” Fox said. “This seems more punishing then message sending.”
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.chillicothegazette.com/amp/84732790

He went on to say one person got involved in something way over their heads. Just from rereading the article, I don’t believe these experts had insider knowledge from PCSO.

I guess what I’m trying to figure out is-did Fox and Wecht sit down and talk with PCSO/DeWine, or were their inputs based off of their professional experience and what they had read in the media?
 
MittenScarpetta said:
I agree. And the Abby and Libby case..ugh. I followed that for a while and honestly I just can’t anymore because it shakes me to the core. Those poor little girls.

It’s crazy to me that both the Abby and Libby case as well as the Bevers case has video/photos of the suspects and no leads. And then this case with the number of victims and crime scenes and it’s still unsolved. 8 victims at the same time and 4 locations made me believe early on there was no way this case would go even months being unsolved.

I’m one of the few though that don’t believe these murders were that hard to pull off. There’s no other way for me to say it with more tact and I mean no disrespect nor do I mean to give any credit what so ever to the perpetrator(s).

I think sophisticated goes hand and hand with the victims knowing whoever killed them. Meaning, because the victims knew their assailant(s), that made the murders seem sophisticated. But in all reality, all the homes were in remote locations, 3 of them were within 3 minutes and/or seconds of each other. All these assailants needed was some kind of trust and or relationships with the victims and that sealed 80% what happened. JMO.
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I don't think it took that long either. TR said he talked to CR1 that night. Little B's mother left at 10:30 but, I am almost positive that someone(s) was in and out of the property, after that time, at FR's home, including FR. There's the FB posts that DR did, that shows she was up past midnight. KR had to have been killed before 5:30. I'm guessing between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m. Taking into account that they went into the homes, got what they came for, scooped up babies, murdered folks, laid the babies back down, and left. :20 minutes at each of the three homes, :30 at CR1's, that's counting getting in, committing murder, getting what they wanted, and leaving. :30 prior for prep, ;15 for something unaccounted for happening. Two to three hours, tops. They knew these folks. They locked the doors at CR1's and FR's, to possibly slow down finding the bodies, because they knew about BJM would be coming in that morning, but they didn't know about the other key, or that she'd unlock the door...) No one would have discovered anything for at least a few more hours, if BJM hadn't gone inside.

Garry's father;

“I’d like to take them and torture them, for killing the whole family like this,” Kenneth Rhoden said. “Somebody had to know something because there were no doors busted down.”

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