Found Deceased OH - Sierah Joughin, 20, Fulton County, 19 July 2016 #7 *Arrest*

[Ginger8915]

Could also explain his passport thing ... Go from Detroit into Windsor for whatever reason ...

But the flip side of that is that Canada is super picky about who they let through border crossings, and even with a passport, a violent felon would probably have trouble gaining admittance. I've heard it's tough even with a "run-of-the-mill" DUI.

Felons can enter in a regular vehicle however you cannot enter Canada in a commercial vehicle with a dui less than 10 years or a felony. Sometimes even older than 10 years they will deny entry with a dui.

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[MDATCA]

How does a search on property like this get conducted? Are the people collecting evidence specially trained CSI's? I can't imagine many places have a large department full of specialized scientists. Is the property divided up into areas and each searcher assigned to a zone? How do they decide what is important and what isn't? They can't take everything but how did they determine what jewelry was his mothers as opposed to what to take?

When and who makes the decision when to call in the next level of LE agencies? I have read cases where the local PD were being very territorial then others like this where they immediately called in the FBI. If a local PD calls in the state police who is in charge of the investigation? Who holds on to the evidence. especially if there are things from other victims from other places. If they find something of a missing person from Michigan do they come into the case also? I am curious because I fear that cases go unsolved and unproven because the local department does not play well with others.

 

[Ginger8915]

The FBI and BCI specialists do the majority of collecting evidence.

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[Ginger8915]

If there is a hit in codis say in WI, they reach out to that jurisdiction

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[MDATCA]

Felons can enter in a regular vehicle however you cannot enter Canada in a commercial vehicle with a dui less than 10 years or a felony. Sometimes even older than 10 years they will deny entry with a dui.

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I think after so many years there is a process to apply for that will allow them to enter Canada. I am just about certain he would be denied as a violent offender though. I think it is more for people who may have an old DWI or failure to pay child support and things like that.

edited to add: I don't think they can even enter in a regular POV. I know of people who have been refused and detained.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/inadmissibility/conviction.asp

 

[Foxfire]

How does a search on property like this get conducted? Are the people collecting evidence specially trained CSI's? I can't imagine many places have a large department full of specialized scientists. Is the property divided up into areas and each searcher assigned to a zone? How do they decide what is important and what isn't? They can't take everything but how did they determine what jewelry was his mothers as opposed to what to take?

When and who makes the decision when to call in the next level of LE agencies? I have read cases where the local PD were being very territorial then others like this where they immediately called in the FBI. If a local PD calls in the state police who is in charge of the investigation? Who holds on to the evidence. especially if there are things from other victims from other places. If they find something of a missing person from Michigan do they come into the case also? I am curious because I fear that cases go unsolved and unproven because the local department does not play well with others.

The FBI and BCI specialists do the majority of collecting evidence.

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[jashrema]

How does a search on property like this get conducted? Are the people collecting evidence specially trained CSI's? I can't imagine many places have a large department full of specialized scientists. Is the property divided up into areas and each searcher assigned to a zone? How do they decide what is important and what isn't? They can't take everything but how did they determine what jewelry was his mothers as opposed to what to take?

When and who makes the decision when to call in the next level of LE agencies? I have read cases where the local PD were being very territorial then others like this where they immediately called in the FBI. If a local PD calls in the state police who is in charge of the investigation? Who holds on to the evidence. especially if there are things from other victims from other places. If they find something of a missing person from Michigan do they come into the case also? I am curious because I fear that cases go unsolved and unproven because the local department does not play well with others.

Is anybody LE on the board? Crsr18 is an atty. and shes great as far as answering legal questions/protocols. I'm sure there is LE on the board but I don't know their screen names. They would be the best to answer correctly.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Based on everything I've read about JDW, I honestly don't see him as either a traveler (to anywhere, except jail), or someone having any legit reason at all to enter Canada. (Sure he could have driven up to the Windsor crossing & told the border guard he was coming across for a day of shopping but that seems a little far-fetched) Based on that, it really makes no sense for him to have passport in the first place, or to have it stashed between the mattress and box spring in the second place.

I'm sure I could have missed something, but was it ever established that he was in fact a long haul driver for a company that routinely transports into Canada - or just a local mobile home transport, at one time?

 

[jashrema]

Could also explain his passport thing ... Go from Detroit into Windsor for whatever reason ...

But the flip side of that is that Canada is super picky about who they let through border crossings, and even with a passport, a violent felon would probably have trouble gaining admittance. I've heard it's tough even with a "run-of-the-mill" DUI.

We know the passport is expired and did we know for a fact that it was never used? I seem to think that we do know that. It was unused. That's why I feel something major happened around that time for him since you will never convince me that El Diablo was the type of guy to even THINK about getting a passport. What in the he**for??

 

[Ginger8915]

Based on everything I've read about JDW, I honestly don't see him as either a traveler (to anywhere, except jail), or someone having any legit reason at all to enter Canada. (Sure he could have driven up to the Windsor crossing & told the border guard he was coming across for a day of shopping but that seems a little far-fetched) Based on that, it really makes no sense for him to have passport in the first place, or to have it stashed between the mattress and box spring in the second place.

I'm sure I could have missed something, but was it ever established that he was in fact a long haul driver for a company that routinely transports into Canada - or just a local mobile home transport, at one time?

As far as the information I have been able to obtain, it apperars NW Ohio, SE Michigan and Indiana hauling mobile homes/manufactured housing.

As far as going into Canada, it is highly unlikely he did haul into Canada because my husband owns a trucking company and while we are all home ecery night he cannot hire anyone with a felony because they cannot enter ports or Canada.

I don't read too much into the passport being under the mattress, it's fairly safe plax3 for rednecks to keep stuff. My grandmother grew up in the depression and she regularly slept on anything like money or documents.

There is a possibility that when he got it he took another relative gambling because the Detroit casinos smell and Toledo was not open yet. I thought someone had even checked and said he had not used it.

I don't think he was grabbing people from too far away. He seems lazy, can't even focus on a landscaping job. He skips the paying one for a pop. He is likely an opportunist who stayed relatively close to his comfort area. I could be wrong but I,really think he'd be more comfortable picking up a random biker or person walking than to actually set out and kidnap someone from work. I'm not even sure he killed a majority, I'd be curious to see how many roadside rapes there were. I think he only kills if it goes seriously wrong. That's just my opinion though.

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[Ginger8915]

We are looking mainly for bodies, we should probably also look for roadside rapes or assaults.

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[Ginger8915]

It also seems he was the primary caregiver, I cannot see him being away for long periods of time. He may have been able to "work" a daily schedule into being away, but I can't see overnights orvlong periods. He had his own authority which essentially meant he found his own freight and could work when he wanted to. That would give him an opportunity to turn down anything taking him away for long periods and basically pick and chose. His options for a regular company as a driver would have been limited and he would have been at their needs not his, and he'd have less control of schedule.

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[CZL496]

We are looking mainly for bodies, we should probably also look for roadside rapes or assaults.

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The rapes the LE would most likely be able to connect because they have all the information. If listed in the paper it won't say much. But he will be charged with more rapes.

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[theirmommy]

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I don't think he was grabbing people from too far away. He seems lazy, can't even focus on a landscaping job. He skips the paying one for a pop. He is likely an opportunist who stayed relatively close to his comfort area. I could be wrong but I,really think he'd be more comfortable picking up a random biker or person walking than to actually set out and kidnap someone from work. I'm not even sure he killed a majority, I'd be curious to see how many roadside rapes there were. I think he only kills if it goes seriously wrong. That's just my opinion though.

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^^^^That's what I think too.

I'm stuck between thinking there aren't many more victims (because he is just too slow minded... Stupid ... Lazy I dunno. I mean no disrespect to Sierah by saying that. It seems he must have knocked her out. Otherwise I think she may have gotten away) or there are more victims and LE haven't found them because he potentially burned them. Ugh, hate even thinking that. Even with cremains, he could have hid those. He could have put them in the trees (someone mentioned large holes) or he could have chucked them in the lake. Yes, they searched the lake but they were looking for bodies, not cremains (I think). I'm just on the fence. JMHO

One thing I am certain of is that I hate him. I hate everything he is and everything he has done.

 

[Foxfire]

Imo, although likely never prosecuted, there will be many missing/murdered victims identified and cold cases closed due to dna and other forensics evidence and the many likely database hits, as well as JDW's journals, maps w/markings. photos from cameras & cell phones, PC<likely on the dark web imo>once film is developed, etc.. jmo..

 

[Spellbound]

As far as the information I have been able to obtain, it apperars NW Ohio, SE Michigan and Indiana hauling mobile homes/manufactured housing.

As far as going into Canada, it is highly unlikely he did haul into Canada because my husband owns a trucking company and while we are all home ecery night he cannot hire anyone with a felony because they cannot enter ports or Canada.

I don't read too much into the passport being under the mattress, it's fairly safe plax3 for rednecks to keep stuff. My grandmother grew up in the depression and she regularly slept on anything like money or documents.

There is a possibility that when he got it he took another relative gambling because the Detroit casinos smell and Toledo was not open yet. I thought someone had even checked and said he had not used it.

I don't think he was grabbing people from too far away. He seems lazy, can't even focus on a landscaping job. He skips the paying one for a pop. He is likely an opportunist who stayed relatively close to his comfort area. I could be wrong but I,really think he'd be more comfortable picking up a random biker or person walking than to actually set out and kidnap someone from work. I'm not even sure he killed a majority, I'd be curious to see how many roadside rapes there were. I think he only kills if it goes seriously wrong. That's just my opinion though.

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This all makes a lot of sense to me. I don't see him as being one to work any more than he had to, so overnight traveling wasn't very likely. I know in Monroe, Michigan, area there are several trailer sales lots and many mobile home parks, so he probably did short runs from the lot to the park. Not sure what others might be fairly close to his home area. Or haulin gold homes off the park lots to wherever they go. Maybe even from one place to a country lot where they are allowed. I believe there are places in Livingston County (Michigan) where you can put mobile homes on private property for living.

As for traveling to Canada, it doesn't seem very likely to me, either.

The passport intrigues me. WHY would he ever feel the need to bother to get one? Curiosity wants to know.

 

[liacat]

Trying to make sense of him telling the psycologist he has learned from each abduction and the next one he will bury. Clearly he is a serial offender right? I though I read he said this back in the 90a so why the eff would they let him out?

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[GigTu]

Trying to make sense of him telling the psycologist he has learned from each abduction and the next one he will bury. Clearly he is a serial offender right? I though I read he said this back in the 90a so why the eff would they let him out?

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Do you mean trying to make sense of his crazy mind, or make sense of them letting him out?

 

[liacat]

Do you mean trying to make sense of his crazy mind, or make sense of them letting him out?

All of it. Apparently this was said in the 90s is that true? So even at that point he made it sound as though he abducted tons of people?

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[CZL496]

Going on his comment about burying them I think they need to search the land around where SJ was found to see if more bodies were buried there. Or talk with the farmers if there was disturbance in their crops previous years. He may of had more time to dig deeper previously.

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