Identified! OH - Troy, Miami Co., 'Buckskin Girl' WhtFem 133UFOH, 15-25, Apr'81 - Marcia King

[Springrain]

Spring, I found your post very useful. It's a great overview.

Thanks, Alleykins! I was hoping it'd be an okay overview.

So many questions are still unanswered (or, at least, I could not find the answers) to the general public. I understand that they won't release her toxicology report, or what she was killed with (what she was struck with, what she was strangled with). But there are other questions that, in my opinion, it would make sense to release the answers to. Had she given birth? What were her stomach contents? What state were her fingernails and toenails in? Was the brand and/or cost of her bra determined? (I know that one might seem invasive, but it could be traced to where it had been sold, and its price could maybe be indicative of her financial state when she bought it).

I also find it VERY interesting that her bare feet were clean. It makes it sound like her killer plucked her shoes off her dead body. Speaking for myself, I often go barefoot, mainly because I just don't care much for shoes. Not when walking big distances or anything, but for driving, a quick trip to the grocery store during the summer (nobody cares about that here lol), or if my feet are sore wandering around school (again, nobody cares), I'll just take them off. In addition to my not liking wearing shoes much, I have very flat feet with a couple fused bones and a messed-up, unstable right knee, and certain types of shoes can exacerbate my issues. Even though she had no knee troubles or fused bones, I kept thinking she might've just been someone who didn't wear shoes much. But the clean bottoms of the feet seem to contradict this. Annoyed that I forgot to add that to the overview.

Troy Riverside Cemetery is quite beautiful. I really, really want to visit her grave someday, along with the place where her body was located. It sounds bizarre but her whole case is just so tragic and it's of course, my #1 pet case. It means a lot to me to see her identified, no matter who she was in her life. I really want to see her loved ones be able to know what happened to her and be able to have answers and properly grieve her untimely death.

I just noticed that she had a lacerated liver. That means someone, someone very strong punched her very hard in the stomach. Very hard. She wasn't sexually assaulted, yet she was attractive; buxom. She had blows to the face and neck and was strangled. Someone was extremely angry. Strangled...silenced.
Homemade buckskin jacket - her favorite possession maybe. Bra on but no panties. No shoes or socks. A hasty getaway, but she was caught.

She was described as in incredibly good physical shape. So based on those braids and buckskin, I think she was a ranch or farm girl. The isotypes say she had recently been in Mexico or the West Coast. The jacket could easily be from Mexico. The isotope study also said she hailed from Mass, CT, Penn., or Rhode Island most likely. I can't find anything on Doe that matches up.
Her write up also says she recently plucked her eyebrows, so our girl wasn't completely farm girl.
Foster child that got lost in the system?

That info wasn't released until very recently. I was shocked by it. As I said right when it came out, it made me think of a forced miscarriage attempt. She wasn't pregnant, but perhaps she thought she was, or lied and told an abusive SO that she was, and he lost it. I know she didn't suffer blows to that specific area, but an enraged guy throwing punches won't be thinking scientifically. Liver is in that general area anyway. Perhaps she had cheated on him with another guy, and thought she became pregnant. I don't think that's what happened, just a thought. The lack of sexual assault really changes my whole view on the case. If she was shot, the lack of sexual assault might make a bit more sense to me, but it seems like young, pretty, female strangulation victims are usually raped beforehand. Silenced...I can see that. While she was being beaten, she was screaming...he strangles her to shut her up.

There has, of course, been lots of speculation about the braids and buckskin. I heard that there was a bit of a Native American-inspired trend back then. My mother, about a decade younger than BG would have been, recalled wearing similar outfits and having a similar braided hairstyle often around that time. She was an LA city girl. For me, it's hard to guess whether she was just dressing that way because she liked it, or for practicality reasons while working. I could see either one. The heavy amount of soot makes me think city girl, but who knows. I don't feel she got the soot from hitchhiking, but that's just my view. I wonder if she purchased the jacket used at a flea market or thrift store while visiting western US or Mexico.

There are just so many possibilities here. She could've been a former foster child with no one to look for her, an isolated and lonely victim of domestic abuse, a popular and well-liked girl whose missing person report wasn't taken seriously, a loner who could just take off with no one noticing...

 

[rosesfromangels]

I was born right about the same year as Buckskin girl, or a bit after. In 1981, we still had a tiny bit of hangover from the "hippie era", but we had mostly moved in to the "Dynasty" era. Those god aweful suits with padded shoulders, sequined dresses, mall hair, and what not. It wasn't pretty folks. Her attire would have been considered odd ball unless she were on a ranch, or hanging in New Mexico, Montana, Sedona, Reno, or something like that. The braids were most definitely cowgirl style, and not current for those times. Again, unless in a western / ranch area, she would have looked very oddball. 1981 we had moved to fussy wear. Heels, women's suits, lots of dresses, high waist (god forbid) jeans, and so forth. Everyone "dressed up". Quite badly, but we dressed up. Again, emphasizing her clothing was definitely odd ball for 1981.

She was beaten to death by someone who was red hot livid. The fact she wasnt raped is significant. Someone was controlling her an she tried to get away?
The theories I have heard have been a stranger or a domestic partner. But what if this was her own father that killed her? Killed for disobedience? This would explain why she was never reported missing.

 

[carbuff]

Disagree about the oddball. The dressup look never made it to vast swaths of the country.


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[CarlK90245]

Disagree about the oddball. The dressup look never made it to vast swaths of the country.


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Having been to all 50 states, I have run into a lot of people who, to a city guy like me, looked pretty quaint.

 

[rosesfromangels]

You mean you never wore those god awful high waisted pants or shoulder pads? Consider yourself spared.
But really, you don't think that Buckskin jacket in 1981 was a "stand out?"
I remember wearing a fringe jacket to a Stones concert in 1976 and I was a bit out of trend then. : )

 

[rosesfromangels]

Having been to all 50 states, I have run into a lot of people who, to a city guy like me, looked pretty quaint.

Carl, you are so polite. : )
But really, it's that jacket. It's bugging me. I would have thought she was in a hippie time warp if I saw her in it 1981, unless I were in ranch country.

 

[carbuff]

I guess it depends on where she was. I didn't realize city types had such a negative view of country/western/farm styles.


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[rosesfromangels]

I guess it depends on where she was. I didn't realize city types had such a negative view of country/western/farm styles.


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No, not at all. And who said I was a city slicker? I've been known to get some cow poop under my high heels now and again!
I'm saying that jacket is driving me bonkers, for all the reasons I already stated and won't bore you with again. The jacket...that blasted jacket! I'm obsessed!

 

[Springrain]

I wasn't alive during that era, but there really is a difference in how people in different regions dress. When I was little, I lived in Vermont, and overalls and hiking boots were common attire. Then I went to the wealthy part of Montreal for middle school: everyone always wearing ludicrously priced dresses, pantsuits, button up shirts. Then I wind up in suburban Northwestern USA, where expensive hoodies, snapbacks, and black pants are worn. I'd say my "personal style" is a mix of all of them. I often wear cute tank tops or shirts under overalls with boots, or lacy sundresses with a flannel top or camo or leather jacket while barefoot. Sorry, majorly off topic, just wanted to ramble on about how different regions affect style.

I am not all that invested in the jacket. Don't get me wrong, I definitely care about it, as it pertains to Buckskin Girl's case. I just honestly don't feel like it'll identify her. That's just my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I definitely would love to trace its origin, I just honestly don't feel like it'll identify her or answer major questions.

 

[Tillicum]

You mean you never wore those god awful high waisted pants or shoulder pads? Consider yourself spared.
But really, you don't think that Buckskin jacket in 1981 was a "stand out?"
I remember wearing a fringe jacket to a Stones concert in 1976 and I was a bit out of trend then. : )

I lived within 20 miles of where BG was found in 1981 and I'm probably within a year or two of her age range. IMO the jacket would've blended in rather than standing out. I wish all of you could've seen us back then, city and country girls. The all natural, down to earth look was in. Little to no make up, braids, bell bottom jeans that drug the ground or straight leg Levis and hiking boots. Flannel shirts, buckskin jackets and knee high moccasins. BTW even us farm girls plucked our eyebrows even if we didn't wear make up.

 

[Alleykins]

I am not all that invested in the jacket. Don't get me wrong, I definitely care about it, as it pertains to Buckskin Girl's case. I just honestly don't feel like it'll identify her. That's just my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I definitely would love to trace its origin, I just honestly don't feel like it'll identify her or answer major questions. Springrain

I feel the same way. It's interesting. She was wearing it when she was found, but it might not even be hers. She could have borrowed it from someone. Heck, she might have even walked off with it from the bar she might have been at, if those tips were true. If that were the case, any pollen found on it might not even pertain to her at all. It could have belonged to her killer and it was just too much of a pain in the behind to remove it once she was killed so they just left it on her. I imagine it would have been quite a feat to remove it. They would have had to tug and pull it over her head, which would have gotten blood on the killer and possibly taken too much time. This is all just speculation of course, but I always felt too much thought was going into the jacket, when it may not have even been hers.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Gosh you're right alleykins. Never even considered the coat might not be hers. But I believe it was a good fit?

 

[Any123]

Do we know if there was any DNA found on her from the killer? Like under her finger nails.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Well you all know that I'm convinced BG is Patricia Salamandyk. I'll see if I can upload the overlay I did in Google docs, I think that might settle it for a lot of you.

But Patricia did actually grow up on a dairy ranch in rural Alberta, in an area where there are many First Nations tribes. So if it's her, she may have picked it up in Mexico, or she may have had it with her the whole time as something she kept from home.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Okay, try this:

When you click on the Google Doc in the link below, you should see the following:

On the left: the photo of Patricia Salamandyk that is on NamUs
On the right: a photo of Buckskin Girl with a light gray, angled box behind it. Please do not move or resize the photos.

Step 1: Click anywhere on the light gray box around BG. You should see a blue outline now around the gray box. The gray box is actually just the same photo of Patricia but flipped and set to transparent. We'll change that next.

Step 2: In the center of the gray toolbar at the top click "Image Options" You should see a menu pop up on the right side (Transparency, Contrast, etc.)

Step 3: You can slowly drag the transparency bar back and forth to see the image of Patricia overlayed with the image of BG.

NOTE: If you do not want to look at the morgue photo do NOT access this document.

Hope this works! Here's the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11U8k3tnt5uw5GCDxRO-WdWgzt-Nln0XaxIHSw6Rp5bc/edit?usp=sharing

 

[rosesfromangels]

My goodness what a sad looking girl
The side morgue shots of Buckskin girl are very important. She had a very distinctive nose and profile.

 

[Alleykins]

I dug around a little in the discovery/identification of Reet Jurvetson. According to what I could find, a family friend found the post-mortem photo of her in June of 2015. By December of 2015, police confirmed her identity.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/27/jane-doe-found-near-manson-killings-finally-identified.html
This leads to be believe that if authorities (namely the RCMP) had taken the tips posted in the comments of the July 2015 article about Patricia Salamandyk seriously (at that time), they could have made a match/rule out by now, almost a year later. If it had been taken seriously, it's been enough time for a "yay" or "nay". If a nay, I would be nice to know, though I realize no one is obligated to tell us that.

 

[Alleykins]

My goodness what a sad looking girl
The side morgue shots of Buckskin girl are very important. She had a very distinctive nose and profile.

Yes, the prominent nose is noted somewhere.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I dug around a little in the discovery/identification of Reet Jurvetson. According to what I could find, a family friend found the post-mortem photo of her in June of 2015. By December of 2015, police confirmed her identity.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/27/jane-doe-found-near-manson-killings-finally-identified.html
This leads to be believe that if authorities (namely the RCMP) had taken the tips posted in the comments of the July 2015 article about Patricia Salamandyk seriously (at that time), they could have made a match/rule out by now, almost a year later. If it had been taken seriously, it's been enough time for a "yay" or "nay". If a nay, I would be nice to know, though I realize no one is obligated to tell us that.

We know that it was submitted officially by someone here in April at least. So if we're still waiting by September maybe we go to Plan B. Maybe we find a journalist who can write a "Could this be the answer to the mystery?" story as happened with Grateful Doe/Jason Callahan.

I thought I heard somewhere that they are doing hair and nail isotopes next. The only problem is that if she ran away 9 years prior I doubt those will be much help

 

[Roselvr]

I was born right about the same year as Buckskin girl, or a bit after. In 1981, we still had a tiny bit of hangover from the "hippie era", but we had mostly moved in to the "Dynasty" era. Those god aweful suits with padded shoulders, sequined dresses, mall hair, and what not. It wasn't pretty folks. Her attire would have been considered odd ball unless she were on a ranch, or hanging in New Mexico, Montana, Sedona, Reno, or something like that. The braids were most definitely cowgirl style, and not current for those times. Again, unless in a western / ranch area, she would have looked very oddball. 1981 we had moved to fussy wear. Heels, women's suits, lots of dresses, high waist (god forbid) jeans, and so forth. Everyone "dressed up". Quite badly, but we dressed up. Again, emphasizing her clothing was definitely odd ball for 1981.

She was beaten to death by someone who was red hot livid. The fact she wasnt raped is significant. Someone was controlling her an she tried to get away?
The theories I have heard have been a stranger or a domestic partner. But what if this was her own father that killed her? Killed for disobedience? This would explain why she was never reported missing.

The 80's were the best time of my life. I loved all of the different music, rock and roll, heavy metal, B52's and Blondie. I loved the spandex and big hair. The hair was so much better back then, then it is today with everyone using a flat iron.

I've said this before, her clothing wouldn't have been out of place in NJ, especially if she was hanging out with bikers. I posted links to photos back in 2013.