Ohio Bill Would Make Abortion Illegal Without Paternal Consent

[IrishMist]

my sister in-law has had 3. she has 3 kids and she dont want more. her husband wants more. he hopes she will change her mind and she hopes he will give up. they are still together and it has been 6 months since the last 1. we have offered to pay for her to tie her tubes but she dont feel right having us pay for her bills she says. i really doubt she is that rare.

I'm not sure what you mean by doubting that she is that rare?

Sounds to me like her husband needs to respect that she doesn't want anymore children, and that one or both need to look into birth control to ensure that.

This Ohio bill wouldn't help your sister in any way, shape or form!

 

[sherri79]

I'm not sure what you mean by doubting that she is that rare?

Sounds to me like her husband needs to respect that she doesn't want anymore children, and that one or both need to look into birth control to ensure that.

This Ohio bill wouldn't help your sister in any way, shape or form!

by rare i mean she uses it as birth control and i doubt she is the only 1. i honestly think the bill would help in her case. if he had to sign for the abortion and refused she would have to either have the kids or start using birth control. the pill makes her fat and she dont like the way a condom feels.

 

[southcitymom]

by rare i mean she uses it as birth control and i doubt she is the only 1. i honestly think the bill would help in her case. if he had to sign for the abortion and refused she would have to either have the kids or start using birth control. the pill makes her fat and she dont like the way a condom feels.

Oh - you meant she has had 3 abortions! Wow! I didn't read your first post correctly.

That is very very sad. I do not know anyone like this but I am not surprised that some women use it as BC. Can't really comment on whether or not that is rare.

I see what you mean when you say this bill would force her to address the issue (I still think it's a bad bill). Is it that expensive to have your tubes tied? Seems like 3 abortions would be more expensive....

 

[IrishMist]

by rare i mean she uses it as birth control and i doubt she is the only 1. i honestly think the bill would help in her case. if he had to sign for the abortion and refused she would have to either have the kids or start using birth control. the pill makes her fat and she dont like the way a condom feels.

Ah. I see what you're saying now, thanks.

I don't agree, though. (bet you're real surprised there, huh?)

Rather than parenthood as a punishment, I think education would be more suitable. Him on respect and boundaries, her on other birth control options!

 

[Autumn2004]

How would you feel if the bill actually went both ways.
Let's say the dad didn't want the child and you were forced to have an abortion. How would you feel then?

I wouldnt do it and I would hide the pregnancy. He would never be aware of it till it would be too late. Thankfully that is in the past, and it breaks my heart to hear stories of people who were mentally ill and were forced to or ladies in concentration camps that were forced too.

My great grandma was raped by her dad for years after her mother died, back then it was considered something that was never reported. She had a baby at 12 and he murdered it and buried it and he was never charged with any sort of crime. I grew up in a very pro-life family because of it. My great grandma was so troubled by this that no one could have their babies undressed for a certain period of time. I grew up in a very modest family because of this. Thankfully the molestation stopped with her as she did everything in her power for it to not continue when she was an adult.

Irishmist- thanks Im not hear to change minds either basically with this kind of a bill everybody already has their views on it, I'm just stating my opinion on it. I would never chastise anyone that had it as its not my place to judge that person and if my daughter ever had one my love and support would not change as her mother and as I love her as much as I do, I couldn't do anything but support her as then would be when she needed me most. I would hope she would choose life but it would be her choice and unlike my parents I dont agree that abstinence is the only way. We will definitely have many talks about birth control. I would gladly pay for pills and condoms to ensure her safety and future.

Unfortunately it has been really hard for my family due to my cousin commiting suicide. Its been a few years and they still live at the same house as they cant afford to move yet, he had many brothers and sisters younger than him and he did it in his bedroom.

 

[csds703]

I wouldnt do it and I would hide the pregnancy. He would never be aware of it till it would be too late. Thankfully that is in the past, and it breaks my heart to hear stories of people who were mentally ill and were forced to or ladies in concentration camps that were forced too.

My great grandma was raped by her dad for years after her mother died, back then it was considered something that was never reported. She had a baby at 12 and he murdered it and buried it and he was never charged with any sort of crime. I grew up in a very pro-life family because of it. My great grandma was so troubled by this that no one could have their babies undressed for a certain period of time. I grew up in a very modest family because of this. Thankfully the molestation stopped with her as she did everything in her power for it to not continue when she was an adult.

Irishmist- thanks Im not hear to change minds either basically with this kind of a bill everybody already has their views on it, I'm just stating my opinion on it. I would never chastise anyone that had it as its not my place to judge that person and if my daughter ever had one my love and support would not change as her mother and as I love her as much as I do, I couldn't do anything but support her as then would be when she needed me most. I would hope she would choose life but it would be her choice and unlike my parents I dont agree that abstinence is the only way. We will definitely have many talks about birth control. I would gladly pay for pills and condoms to ensure her safety and future.

Unfortunately it has been really hard for my family due to my cousin commiting suicide. Its been a few years and they still live at the same house as they cant afford to move yet, he had many brothers and sisters younger than him and he did it in his bedroom.

Autumn

Your stories are very sad. It is very interesting how our families experiences shape our choices in life.
I don't really care to debate abortion. I do care that this bill gives away my right to control my body. :blowkiss:

 

[IrishMist]

I wouldnt do it and I would hide the pregnancy. He would never be aware of it till it would be too late. Thankfully that is in the past, and it breaks my heart to hear stories of people who were mentally ill and were forced to or ladies in concentration camps that were forced too.

My great grandma was raped by her dad for years after her mother died, back then it was considered something that was never reported. She had a baby at 12 and he murdered it and buried it and he was never charged with any sort of crime. I grew up in a very pro-life family because of it. My great grandma was so troubled by this that no one could have their babies undressed for a certain period of time. I grew up in a very modest family because of this. Thankfully the molestation stopped with her as she did everything in her power for it to not continue when she was an adult.

Irishmist- thanks Im not hear to change minds either basically with this kind of a bill everybody already has their views on it, I'm just stating my opinion on it. I would never chastise anyone that had it as its not my place to judge that person and if my daughter ever had one my love and support would not change as her mother and as I love her as much as I do, I couldn't do anything but support her as then would be when she needed me most. I would hope she would choose life but it would be her choice and unlike my parents I dont agree that abstinence is the only way. We will definitely have many talks about birth control. I would gladly pay for pills and condoms to ensure her safety and future.

Unfortunately it has been really hard for my family due to my cousin commiting suicide. Its been a few years and they still live at the same house as they cant afford to move yet, he had many brothers and sisters younger than him and he did it in his bedroom.

We have a bit of dark history in my family, too, Autumn. My grandfather was born out of rape. My Great-grandfather raped a young (14) year old. She DETESTED my grandfather. After four years of abusing him, she finally left him on my Great-grandfather and his new wife's doorstep.

My poor grand-daddy couldn't win for losing, though, as his step mother hated him for being born of another woman and her man; and my Great-grandfather, being a preacher, hated him for the ever-present reminder of who he was.

Sad.

And, suicide is quite a difficult thing to deal with, isn't it? My condolences to you and your family.

 

[southcitymom]

I wouldnt do it and I would hide the pregnancy. He would never be aware of it till it would be too late. Thankfully that is in the past, and it breaks my heart to hear stories of people who were mentally ill and were forced to or ladies in concentration camps that were forced too.

My great grandma was raped by her dad for years after her mother died, back then it was considered something that was never reported. She had a baby at 12 and he murdered it and buried it and he was never charged with any sort of crime. I grew up in a very pro-life family because of it. My great grandma was so troubled by this that no one could have their babies undressed for a certain period of time. I grew up in a very modest family because of this. Thankfully the molestation stopped with her as she did everything in her power for it to not continue when she was an adult.

Irishmist- thanks Im not hear to change minds either basically with this kind of a bill everybody already has their views on it, I'm just stating my opinion on it. I would never chastise anyone that had it as its not my place to judge that person and if my daughter ever had one my love and support would not change as her mother and as I love her as much as I do, I couldn't do anything but support her as then would be when she needed me most. I would hope she would choose life but it would be her choice and unlike my parents I dont agree that abstinence is the only way. We will definitely have many talks about birth control. I would gladly pay for pills and condoms to ensure her safety and future.

Unfortunately it has been really hard for my family due to my cousin commiting suicide. Its been a few years and they still live at the same house as they cant afford to move yet, he had many brothers and sisters younger than him and he did it in his bedroom.

Autumn,

I am so sorry to hear of some of the very terrible things that have happened in your family in the recent and not so recent past. Thank you for sharing that so honestly.

Also, I love what you said about loving and supporting your daughter if she ever made a hard choice like this that you didn't agree with - what a terrific, loving mother your must be.

 

[narlacat]

Why even the need to have to go this far. People need to take responsbility by preventing a pregnancy - not terminating one.

Accidents happen, to the best of us.

 

[Autumn2004]

Autumn

Your stories are very sad. It is very interesting how our families experiences shape our choices in life.
I don't really care to debate abortion. I do care that this bill gives away my right to control my body. :blowkiss:

My family has definitely created the person I am. I dont like everything that was brought before me but I just view it as I needed this in my life to raise my daughter the way she should be raised. I also dont like "big brother issues". I always talk badly about the government. I really need to stop it actually as Im worried my daughter will pick it up :silenced:

 

[narlacat]

I keep looking at this thread and backing out... I dont want to get locked out for 5 days!! lol
But I cant stay away so I will throw in my 2 cents...
I am pro-LIFE.... I am fine with the fact that we should able to do what we want with our bodies, but it is not just our body that we are messing with here.. It is another life... A life that begins at conception. It should nto be up to us to decide weather or not that life gets to continue.. That "choice" should only be up to God.

And regarding the quote above, I just wanted to say that we can hardly compare a baby (a fetus, an embryo) to cancer....

Says you.

I say- it is MY choice whether or not I want to terminate a pregnancy, not anyone else's!

 

[Autumn2004]

We have a bit of dark history in my family, too, Autumn. My grandfather was born out of rape. My Great-grandfather raped a young (14) year old. She DETESTED my grandfather. After four years of abusing him, she finally left him on my Great-grandfather and his new wife's doorstep.

My poor grand-daddy couldn't win for losing, though, as his step mother hated him for being born of another woman and her man; and my Great-grandfather, being a preacher, hated him for the ever-present reminder of who he was.

Sad.

And, suicide is quite a difficult thing to deal with, isn't it? My condolences to you and your family.

Im sorry what happened to your grandpa, that is horrible. I cant imagine going through life and never being loved. Suicide really changes your views on so many things. Our family has a huge dark history, this is the tip of the iceberg, but I have shared enough dirty laundry.

 

[IrishMist]

Im sorry what happened to your grandpa, that is horrible. I cant imagine going through life and never being loved. Suicide really changes your views on so many things. Our family has a huge dark history, this is the tip of the iceberg, but I have shared enough dirty laundry.

My grandfather didn't let his history determine his destiny. He ended up loved and respected by many.

 

[OneLostGrl]

One, you made a very difficult decision and chose to do what you believed to be best. Please don't let anyone tell you otherwise. :clap:

Thanks, Nova.

No matter what people might tell me, one could never make me think what I chose was the wrong choice.

 

[OneLostGrl]

OLG,

I so love your honesty and bravery. Thank you for your posts on this subject.

I'm sure there are women who regret abortions they have had. But in my experience, most of us don't. The decision to have an abortion is never an easy one, but it is often the right one.

Thanks I'm often a bit too honest for most people

 

[Autumn2004]

Autumn,

I am so sorry to hear of some of the very terrible things that have happened in your family in the recent and not so recent past. Thank you for sharing that so honestly.

Also, I love what you said about loving and supporting your daughter if she ever made a hard choice like this that you didn't agree with - what a terrific, loving mother your must be.

Thanks I love her dearly , I was slipping into depression dealing with infertility when she was conceived, she saved my life. I have changed my outlook on so many things because of her.

She is the reason why I became a vegetarian and look at every food for the value of nutrition instead of what sounds good. I want to be here to enjoy her and I want to give her the healthiest and best start I can. She is very easy to love, she is a very good 3 year old girl. She is a very sensitive sweet little girl and Im proud to be her mommy. She is my one goal I have in my life. My mom would never have done some of the things I would do for my daughter, she has told me this and she really respects me as a mom. As much as Im prolife if my daughter decided to have an abortion I would go with her to make sure she was safe, same way with tattoos, or anything else. I dont want her to feel like she needs to hide it, there is so much evil in the world I would feel responsible if I sent her into it alone.

 

[Autumn2004]

My grandfather didn't let his history determine his destiny. He ended up loved and respected by many.

Im so glad he had a good life, that is a man to be respected as so many just give up.

 

[IrishMist]

Thanks I love her dearly , I was slipping into depression dealing with infertility when she was conceived, she saved my life. I have changed my outlook on so many things because of her.

She is the reason why I became a vegetarian and look at every food for the value of nutrition instead of what sounds good. I want to be here to enjoy her and I want to give her the healthiest and best start I can. She is very easy to love, she is a very good 3 year old girl. She is a very sensitive sweet little girl and Im proud to be her mommy. She is my one goal I have in my life. My mom would never have done some of the things I would do for my daughter, she has told me this and she really respects me as a mom. As much as Im prolife if my daughter decided to have an abortion I would go with her to make sure she was safe, same way with tattoos, or anything else. I dont want her to feel like she needs to hide it, there is so much evil in the world I would feel responsible if I sent her into it alone.

what a terrific, loving mother you must be.

Boy, SCM sure had you pegged.

 

[IrishMist]

Im so glad he had a good life, that is a man to be respected as so many just give up.

I'm sure that's where I get my general life attitude-- you can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails...

 

[OneLostGrl]

Indeed, I don't think it would pass muster in the Courts.

A woman should have the right to make the final decision over what medically affects her body and her mind. She alone risks her life while bearing and then delivering a baby. She alters her life permanently when she becomes a parent. Any child deserves a parent, preferably two parents who want it and want to care for it.

Can you imagine the repercussions of forcing a woman to bear a baby she doesn't want, and care for it the rest of her life?

I can't imagine! I can still recall how with the baby I aborted, how I felt nothing for this life trying to grow inside of me.. nothing!
Many people tried to tell me that once the baby started to move I'd fall in love with it but I was unwilling to take the chance that that may not be the case because what IF I didn't- Oh my God, WTF if I didn't?!

From the *day* I found out I was pregnant with my son I loved him, more than life so I knew something was very wrong when I felt nothing for this pregnancy after a couple of months!

I'm sorry if I tend to over explain some things I just get over emotional when I think back to how very ill I really was.