Ohio: East Palestine Train Derailment, Risk of Explosion

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Phosgene gas is made by mixing bleach and ammonia (and other chemicals too) and is beyond deadly.

I'm also seeing chatter on other websites that the authorities are trying very hard to cover up just how bad this is - that farm animals are dying in droves, etc. Anyone from the area who knows more?
 
Phosgene gas is made by mixing bleach and ammonia (and other chemicals too) and is beyond deadly.

I'm also seeing chatter on other websites that the authorities are trying very hard to cover up just how bad this is - that farm animals are dying in droves, etc. Anyone from the area who knows more?
Some details about various animals affected or dead:
 
Phosgene gas is made by mixing bleach and ammonia (and other chemicals too) and is beyond deadly.

I'm also seeing chatter on other websites that the authorities are trying very hard to cover up just how bad this is - that farm animals are dying in droves, etc. Anyone from the area who knows more?
I'm from the other side of Columbiana County, about 20 miles from EP. I have not read anything official or unofficial about livestock or even wild animals dying at abnormal rates, besides the chickens and pets mentioned in the Newsweek article listed just above, as well as fish in streams that flow through the evacuation zone. We have not noticed anything out of the ordinary here - no odors, no dead fish or livestock, and we dairy farm, so we have hundreds of cows. My inlaws are well-connected with dairy farmers around the county, and they would certainly hear about abnormal loss of livestock. There are people claiming online that they suddenly are not seeing birds/small wildlife like they did before (this is like 15 miles away from the derailment site), but there's no way to prove that.

People north of EP as far as Boardman reported strong chemical odors on Tuesday, the day following the controlled release, but I was there for a doctor's appointment on Wednesday and couldn't smell anything. The EPA has stated from the very beginning that they have never detected dangerous levels of chemical in their air monitoring, but of course, many people don't believe them.

All of this is MOO as a semi-local resident, but especially this: this area has been primed for conspiracy and distrust of authority over the last few years. It's to the point where I don't even know what information or evidence they would have to be presented, in order to trust what someone is telling them, and that's understandable to a point. There have also been online content creators - environmentalists, etc - that have jumped on this bandwagon. I think this is an incredible tragedy and only time will tell its effect on the environment, but everyone should be cautious to believe what they read, from all sides.
 
I'm from the other side of Columbiana County, about 20 miles from EP. I have not read anything official or unofficial about livestock or even wild animals dying at abnormal rates, besides the chickens and pets mentioned in the Newsweek article listed just above, as well as fish in streams that flow through the evacuation zone. We have not noticed anything out of the ordinary here - no odors, no dead fish or livestock, and we dairy farm, so we have hundreds of cows. My inlaws are well-connected with dairy farmers around the county, and they would certainly hear about abnormal loss of livestock. There are people claiming online that they suddenly are not seeing birds/small wildlife like they did before (this is like 15 miles away from the derailment site), but there's no way to prove that.

People north of EP as far as Boardman reported strong chemical odors on Tuesday, the day following the controlled release, but I was there for a doctor's appointment on Wednesday and couldn't smell anything. The EPA has stated from the very beginning that they have never detected dangerous levels of chemical in their air monitoring, but of course, many people don't believe them.

All of this is MOO as a semi-local resident, but especially this: this area has been primed for conspiracy and distrust of authority over the last few years. It's to the point where I don't even know what information or evidence they would have to be presented, in order to trust what someone is telling them, and that's understandable to a point. There have also been online content creators - environmentalists, etc - that have jumped on this bandwagon. I think this is an incredible tragedy and only time will tell its effect on the environment, but everyone should be cautious to believe what they read, from all sides.
A lot of the assessment depends on whether its the Ohio EPA or the US EPA in charge of the situation. Two very different agencies, the Ohio one can't be trusted, based on the people in charge and their past experience.

Not surprised at the lack of news and public info about this horrible event. I worked for many years for a different rail carrier negotiating contracts for hazmat shipping. This is a serious event and feds should be in charge of damage assessment and clean up. Every railroad knows the details of every car of hazardous materials on their trains - for this reason. Local fire and rescue can and should be given every bit of information immediately about the contents of every single car on the train. To hear that they're just now finding out about other hazmat freight on the train is beyond belief.

Gov Dewine and the local pols need to get out of the way and let the experts take over. They have no business trying to manage this situation. Let the experts do their jobs. JMO
 


Working to put together a story for tonight on what is happening with the train derailment in Ohio and the environmental concerns. Many of you have messaged me it needs more coverage. DM me if you are in the area and want to come on
@newsnation tonight.
Newsnation is owned by Nexstar Media Group, whose Chairman also serves on the Ohio University Board of Trustees, so, IDK.
Ohio is a news "desert", so we probably need a lot more members of the national news media to cover this story.

Looking at news articles, it doesn't look like Ohio Highway Patrol is doing s good job there.


I hadn't been following this much until the last day or so, but it looks like I need to contact my senator, and it won't be JD Vance.
 
This person, the local hazmat specialist, said this:

Sil Caggiano, a hazardous materials specialist and former fire department chief, also said he was 'surprised' residents were allowed to return home so quickly before all of their homes were tested.

'I would've far rather they did all the testing [first],' he said. 'There's a lot of what ifs, and we're going to be looking at this thing 5, 10, 15, 20 years down the line and wondering, 'Gee, cancer clusters could pop up, you know, well water could go bad.'

He added: 'We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open.'


Geez, this is very serious. I hope none of it headed my way.
 
Newsnation is owned by Nexstar Media Group, whose Chairman also serves on the Ohio University Board of Trustees, so, IDK.
Ohio is a news "desert", so we probably need a lot more members of the national news media to cover this story.

Looking at news articles, it doesn't look like Ohio Highway Patrol is doing s good job there.


I hadn't been following this much until the last day or so, but it looks like I need to contact my senator, and it won't be JD Vance.
NewsNation is also who reporter Evan Lambert was representing when he was arrested at the press conference, so I don't know, do those two connections cancel each other out? (Kidding, mostly)

I wanted to note, too, just how tangled the journalist's arrest is - I know there's a thread for his arrest, but it's all connected so I'll post it here. The incident began with the National Guard, but then the arresting officers were an East Palestine City Police detective and the Chief Deputy from the Columbiana County Sheriff's department. Just an ugly mess.

Finally, I wanted to share a few local news sources that will have a little different flavor than national news for anyone interested:

WKBN, WFMJ, WYTV broadcast out of Youngstown and Boardman. Salem News and Lisbon Morning Journal are the main newspapers in Columbiana County, and The Vindicator is news out of Youngstown. Jordan Miller News is a local independent news source - he grew up here and focuses on local topics. And then the Farm and Dairy, a locally-published regional paper that focuses on, uh, farming. Also dairies. But is sure to cover the environmental impact as it relates to agricultural. I'm sure there are news sources in the Pittsburgh metro covering it, too, but I am not familiar with them.
 
Flaming hot axle on train caught on commercial surveillance cameras just before derailment. Culprit looks like a covered hopper car:
At 8:12 p.m. on Feb. 3, the southbound freight train passed by Butech Bliss, an industrial equipment manufacturer in Salem. One car, a few dozen behind the first locomotive, glowed brightly on the bottom as it passed.

A minute later and a mile down the track, a camera at a meat processing plant called Fresh Mark captured the same fiery axle.
 
Pretty much all of these petrochemicals cause cancer.


Sounds like quite a bit got into the Ohio River. Not good.

JMO, the entire town and surrounding area should have been evacuated for a very long time.
 
Flaming hot axle on train caught on commercial surveillance cameras just before derailment. Culprit looks like a covered hopper car:

At 8:12 p.m. on Feb. 3, the southbound freight train passed by Butech Bliss, an industrial equipment manufacturer in Salem. One car, a few dozen behind the first locomotive, glowed brightly on the bottom as it passed.

A minute later and a mile down the track, a camera at a meat processing plant called Fresh Mark captured the same fiery axle.

JMO, pretty sure that's a "hot box", an old, common problem with rail car wheels and axles. Back in the day, there were "hot box detectors" along the tracks that would detect the problem. It's probably much more sophisticated today, a problem that's easily avoidable.

Oh, I really trust Ohio Dept of Health on telling us how dangerous these chemicals are. /s

He says these chemicals are part of our every day life. OMG, I can't believe this. I can't keep myself from cursing, so I won't say any more, except that I'm glad they started obeying Ohio law by hiring a head of Ohio Dept of Health who is an actual physician. Hopefully, this one has a medical degree.

At least he's telling mothers and pregnant women to avoid drinking well water or using it for baby formula. I would assume city water is also contaminated. Use bottled water.

He says they're awaiting results of tests on city and well water. That should have been done already.
 
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My sister-in-law, and niece and nephew, and a lot of their family live in East Palestine Ohio. They live 1.1 miles from the derailment site - because of this they are not entitled to any cleaning or anything like that of their homes. The main road into town is blocked off. The kids stayed with us, but we took them back home on Sunday evening. There is a definite chemical smell in the air. I felt like my eyes were burning, but I could've been overly sensitive and imagining something. However, I am definitely very worried, these are highly carcinogenic materials in the air, water, atmosphere. How exactly do you clean the air?

I'm not worried, of course, about immediate danger, but more of the long term cancer effects, and whether this is going to cause cancer clusters in the area.
 
Phosgene gas is made by mixing bleach and ammonia (and other chemicals too) and is beyond deadly.

I'm also seeing chatter on other websites that the authorities are trying very hard to cover up just how bad this is - that farm animals are dying in droves, etc. Anyone from the area who knows more?
There is a lot of disinformation being disseminated via Twitter and other sources. Please check your sources and refer to what emergency services in the area are advising, not random websites.
 
My sister-in-law, and niece and nephew, and a lot of their family live in East Palestine Ohio. They live 1.1 miles from the derailment site - because of this they are not entitled to any cleaning or anything like that of their homes. The main road into town is blocked off. The kids stayed with us, but we took them back home on Sunday evening. There is a definite chemical smell in the air. I felt like my eyes were burning, but I could've been overly sensitive and imagining something. However, I am definitely very worried, these are highly carcinogenic materials in the air, water, atmosphere. How exactly do you clean the air?

I'm not worried, of course, about immediate danger, but more of the long term cancer effects, and whether this is going to cause cancer clusters in the area.

Pretty sure they're entitled to whatever they need, living that close. Call Sen. Sherrod Brown's local office and ask them where your family can get help. Call the local offices and ask for constituent services - then tell them what happened to yr family. They know about the derailment and probably want to hear from locals who need help.


 
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