GUILTY OK - 4 dead, many injured when car crashed into crowd at OSU homecoming parade

[Hatfield]

Hmmm... a recent decision in OK:

An admitted killer who suffers from delusions he is the king of the world and believes he sees ghosts was found not guilty Friday of first-degree murder by reason of insanity.

http://newsok.com/article/5434414

That case outlines the problem with our court system in dealing with people such as that.

I like the suggestion in the article. New legislation that will have a possible verdict as "Guilty but Insane". Still give them a penalty of a stiff sentence with that.

For this case I think she has mental issues but was no where near insane. Probably just pissed off and depressed. But we have to wait and see until more is known of course.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

That case outlines the problem with our court system in dealing with people such as that.

I like the suggestion in the article. New legislation that will have a possible verdict as "Guilty but Insane". Still give them a penalty of a stiff sentence with that.

For this case I think she has mental issues but was no where near insane. Probably just pissed off and depressed. But we have to wait and see until more is known of course.

I agree. By now, Adacia has likely been prescribed medication for depression and should be stabilized by the time she is arraigned (previously scheduled for November 13). Based on reports that Ms. Chambers was hospitalized for having made threats of suicide, I'm inclined to believe that depression is a real possibility, and Adacia probably should have been on medication. People around her might not have noticed deepening depression as many folks are able to muddle through even severe bouts of depression. :moo:

Hopefully, we will learn more about the Prosecution's case against Chambers during her court appearance next Friday. Thoughts and prayers for the families of the victims as they grieve for their loved ones and for those who were injured in the unfortunate incident :rose:

 

[Hope4More]

It is very possible that she was in a dissociative state during the crash.

What does that mean, exactly? And how does it fit with accounts that she left work quite upset (crying), and that she apparently had written multiple suicide notes before she crashed?

 

[Mollyandme]

What does that mean, exactly? And how does it fit with accounts that she left work quite upset (crying), and that she apparently had written multiple suicide notes before she crashed?

I know I'm not the intended person to answer this but I found this link helpful until the intended poster can answer. I normally try not to use Wikipedia as a serious source but it was an interesting read. It also talks about how drugs can induce a dissociative state and how there are varying degrees.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_(psychology)

 

[JusticeWillBeServed]

Looks like they agree with what some of you wrote about releasing this information.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/courts/osu-homecoming-parade-crash-prosecutor-asks-court-to-seal-adacia/article_720ab6c1-d975-54f1-a838-1723d9448022.html

The defense for the woman accused of driving a car into a crowd at the Oklahoma State University homecoming parade is making “a deliberate and inappropriate effort” to prejudice a jury, a prosecutor claims in a motion filed Friday.

District Attorney Laura Austin Thomas filed the motion in an effort to seal the mental-health records of Adacia Chambers, 25, who is accused in the Oct. 24 crash at OSU’s homecoming parade that left four people dead and injured nearly 50 others.

In the motion, Thomas questioned the motive of Chambers’ attorney, Tony Coleman, in including a letter to him from Dr. Shawn Roberson, the psychologist who evaluated Chambers at Coleman’s request, in an application filed Wednesday for a determination of competency to stand trial.

Thomas noted that the letter appeared to be a confidential and privileged report containing information about Chambers’ mental health and competency, and she noted that an application to determine competency does not require that a psychological report be attached.

 

[jjenny]

Depression is very common. Vast majority of depressed people don't go around driving into crowds.
Based on this woman driving into a crowd seems rather obvious she didn't really intend to kill herself.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Looks like they agree with what some of you wrote about releasing this information.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/courts/osu-homecoming-parade-crash-prosecutor-asks-court-to-seal-adacia/article_720ab6c1-d975-54f1-a838-1723d9448022.html

Thank you for sharing this. I haven't liked this defense attorney's antics and am glad the Prosecutor is taking him to task.

Wonder what Coleman's next move will be? Cueing the Jodi Arias' fog machine? :angel:

 

[Mollyandme]

Thank you for sharing this. I haven't liked this defense attorney's antics and am glad the Prosecutor is taking him to task.

Wonder what Coleman's next move will be? Cueing the Jodi Arias' fog machine? :angel:

Ugh I agree, I'm glad the prosecutor is going to address this. Unfortunately I think the next move might be the fog machine.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Depression is very common. Vast majority of depressed people don't go around driving into crowds.
Based on this woman driving into a crowd seems rather obvious she didn't really intend to kill herself.

I agree. Having suffered from depression myself, I can report that I never contemplated any suicide method that would have risked harming someone else as well.

 

[La Louve]

If she had truly wanted to kill herself she could have driven straight into the concrete barrier.

I call b.s. on her story.

 

[sorrell skye]

In a dissociative state you can do anything really that you would do in a non-dissociative state. You just do not remember it.

I don't think she was in a dissociative state. According to a witness's report at the scene, Adacia said she was trying to kill herself in order to be free. If this witness's statement is factual, it doesn't sound as if Adacia was in a dissociative state.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Signs and symptoms of depression include:

• Feelings of helplessness and hopelessness. A bleak outlook—nothing will ever get better and there’s nothing you can do to improve your situation.
• Loss of interest in daily activities. No interest in former hobbies, pastimes, social activities, or sex. You’ve lost your ability to feel joy and pleasure.
• Appetite or weight changes. Significant weight loss or weight gain—a change of more than 5% of body weight in a month.
• Sleep changes. Either insomnia, especially waking in the early hours of the morning, or oversleeping (also known as hypersomnia).
• Anger or irritability. Feeling agitated, restless, or even violent. Your tolerance level is low, your temper short, and everything and everyone gets on your nerves.
• Loss of energy. Feeling fatigued, sluggish, and physically drained. Your whole body may feel heavy, and even small tasks are exhausting or take longer to complete.
• Self-loathing. Strong feelings of worthlessness or guilt. You harshly criticize yourself for perceived faults and mistakes.
• Reckless behavior. You engage in escapist behavior such as substance abuse, compulsive gambling, reckless driving, or dangerous sports.
• Concentration problems. Trouble focusing, making decisions, or remembering things.
• Unexplained aches and pains. An increase in physical complaints such as headaches, back pain, aching muscles, and stomach pain.

http://www.helpguide.org/articles/depression/depression-signs-and-symptoms.htm

 

[Hope4More]

Signs and symptoms of depression include:

• Feelings of helplessness and hopelessness. A bleak outlook—nothing will ever get better and there’s nothing you can do to improve your situation.
• Loss of interest in daily activities. No interest in former hobbies, pastimes, social activities, or sex. You’ve lost your ability to feel joy and pleasure.
• Appetite or weight changes. Significant weight loss or weight gain—a change of more than 5% of body weight in a month.
• Sleep changes. Either insomnia, especially waking in the early hours of the morning, or oversleeping (also known as hypersomnia).
• Anger or irritability. Feeling agitated, restless, or even violent. Your tolerance level is low, your temper short, and everything and everyone gets on your nerves.
• Loss of energy. Feeling fatigued, sluggish, and physically drained. Your whole body may feel heavy, and even small tasks are exhausting or take longer to complete.
• Self-loathing. Strong feelings of worthlessness or guilt. You harshly criticize yourself for perceived faults and mistakes.
• Reckless behavior. You engage in escapist behavior such as substance abuse, compulsive gambling, reckless driving, or dangerous sports.
• Concentration problems. Trouble focusing, making decisions, or remembering things.
• Unexplained aches and pains. An increase in physical complaints such as headaches, back pain, aching muscles, and stomach pain.

http://www.helpguide.org/articles/depression/depression-signs-and-symptoms.htm

I can believe she was depressed, but FWIW, the reckless behavior and reckless driving "symptoms" are characteristic of depressed adolescents, not adults. Though she's young enough to perhaps straddle that line?

 

[jjenny]

I can believe she was depressed, but FWIW, the reckless behavior and reckless driving "symptoms" are characteristic of depressed adolescents, not adults. Though she's young enough to perhaps straddle that line?

I have no problem believing she was depressed either. Depression is common (5% of US population has severe depression). It doesn't qualify her as legally insane.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Judge orders gag order in OSU homecoming crash case

UPDATED 5:20 PM CST Nov 09, 2015

STILLWATER, Okla. (AP) —A judge ordered a competency examination Monday for a woman charged with murder in the car crash at Oklahoma State University's homecoming parade that killed four people and injured dozens more.

Judge Louis A. Duel stayed the proceedings at least until Dec. 10 against 25-year-old Adacia Chambers and ordered her committed for the evaluation at a state facility.

Duel also issued a gag order in the case barring lawyers, witnesses, victims and family members from making any statements about the case outside of court for at least the next 15 days - allowing Chambers' defense attorney time to respond to the gag requested by prosecutors. Duel indicated he may decide to lift the order based on the reply...

http://www.koco.com/news/judge-overseeing-osu-homecoming-crash-case-recuses-herself/36341756

 

[SCHMAE]

Judge orders gag order in OSU homecoming crash case

UPDATED 5:20 PM CST Nov 09, 2015

STILLWATER, Okla. (AP) —A judge ordered a competency examination Monday for a woman charged with murder in the car crash at Oklahoma State University's homecoming parade that killed four people and injured dozens more.

Judge Louis A. Duel stayed the proceedings at least until Dec. 10 against 25-year-old Adacia Chambers and ordered her committed for the evaluation at a state facility.

Duel also issued a gag order in the case barring lawyers, witnesses, victims and family members from making any statements about the case outside of court for at least the next 15 days - allowing Chambers' defense attorney time to respond to the gag requested by prosecutors. Duel indicated he may decide to lift the order based on the reply...

http://www.koco.com/news/judge-overseeing-osu-homecoming-crash-case-recuses-herself/36341756

Wonder if her dad asked for the gag order to shut up her lawyer? :thinking:

 

[Sonya610]

I agree. Having suffered from depression myself, I can report that I never contemplated any suicide method that would have risked harming someone else as well.

I think the desire to take others out as part of a suicide is usually a male thing. Not to say most suicidal men feel that way, but most that feel that way are male. I.e. shooters that take out as many as they can before ending their own life etc...

The exception can be mothers with small children, sometimes they kill the kids because they can't abandon/leave them behind.

 

[jjenny]

I think the desire to take others out as part of a suicide is usually a male thing. Not to say most suicidal men feel that way, but most that feel that way are male. I.e. shooters that take out as many as they can before ending their own life etc...

The exception can be mothers with small children, sometimes they kill the kids because they can't abandon/leave them behind.

Sometimes women just kill the kids and then get off on being "legally insane."

 

[bluesneakers]

Sometimes women just kill the kids and then get off on being "legally insane."

But that's not suicide.

 

[Indy Anna]

Depression is very common. Vast majority of depressed people don't go around driving into crowds.
Based on this woman driving into a crowd seems rather obvious she didn't really intend to kill herself.

At this point, I'm inclined to think she was upset with someone at work or at home and was, in effect, having a hissy fit. She may have had suicidal thoughts, but then decided that hurting innocent people would get a bigger reaction. Perhaps she wanted the person who made her angry to feel guilty about what he/she "made her do" (deflecting blame).

If she is having a psychotic break now, I think it was triggered by the guilt of her own actions.