WHO MURDERERED of Joe Nuff
(July 31, 1947 - May 14, 2009)
Please add or update information
http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2009/05/23/obituaries/all_obituaries/obits05.txt
Was Gf mentioned in obit above?
http://www.4029tv.com/news/19467846/detail.html#
Joe Neff
was last seen at about 9 a.m Thursday in a local store. Prior to that,
a female friend of his reported seeing Neff at around 7 a.m., said LeFlore County Sheriff Bruce Curnutt.
Joe Neff was discovered
missing Thursday May 14, 2009,
62 yr old Joe Neff's black Chevy SUV that was parked at the scene Long Branch Saloon, 68155 US 59, near Poteau
What evidence was found inside the saloon--> definitely signs of a struggle and an injury inside. "We do
believe that the bar owner Joe Neff may be injured. Several individuals were interviewed as persons of interest They
found blood on his cowboy hat in the bar
The saloon was equipped with
security cameras, but authorities have yet to review/disclose any footage. There is a surveillance camera that still remains in the bar.
LE said hey had the tape from this system. However, they would never say if it captured what happened in the bar.
The day Neff disappeared,
witnesses told investigators they saw an older model red pickup parked at the bar. That vehicle has never been found.
Gf has red truck??
Neff kept a safe inside a room
in his Poteau home. Investigators said
thousands of dollars were taken from the safe.
interviewed people who have been banned from the bar, but nothing came up during the interviews that led police to believe someone had held a grudge.
Neff has not had to ban anyone from the bar recently.
Investigations spent much of Friday at
Neffs home, on Country Club Road, just outside of Poteau city limits. Authorities conducted a ground search for Neff Friday: however, but planned to expand the search today and Sunday to include bodies of water.
Deputies have also been conducting searches near the bar, including land near Long Lake and the Poteau River What lead LE to these areas??
Was Joe found closer to his house or bar??
Sunday evening at approximately 8 p.m. May 17, 2009 Neff's body found floating in a strip mining pit on McKenzie Road in Pocola. Died from a gunshot wound
http://www.4029tv.com/news/22503039/detail.html
http://missingexploited.com/2009/05...s-of-a-struggle-in-bar-update-found-deceased/
I cannot really imagine him ever telling someone no.
He helped everyone. He felt that if they asked for it, they needed it worse than he did.
He would go without before he would deny someone anything they needed. I think it is likely that this person was accompanied by a stranger (to Joe), who probably was the killer.
Previous gfs??? who might have been harboring jealousy that he broke up with them
This in and of itself made him a 'sought-after target'.
Word gets out that "Joe Neff bailed me out; feeds us free on Sundays - carries/deals with a lot of cash and is retiring soon". All of those actions translate into "great opportunity for money" to more desperate, cunning folk.
We're also told from the get-go, LE claimed "this was personal"...
You then wrote something quite poignant - very early on - regarding the (good) advice your dad gave you:
"Don't ever lend more than you're willing to give away...".
there may be one or more whom your father decided he was not prepared to give any more?
That/those person/s may have known your father's footsteps and
habits; known the best time to approach him; known his 'cash-run' timings and therefore it may very well have been your own father who took the 'missing thousands' from the safe - not for the life of him believing he'd be murdered - he left the safe door open as he may easily have done previously if in a rush, then locked the internal door - and left.
However, when he reached the bar -
he may have allowed a familiar face to come in (he knew him, felt safe, if not in control) whom he'd helped before. When he said no - he may have been literally taken by surprise & side-swiped. A bloody fight ensued and the 'thousands' he himself may have taken from the safe could have been stolen . He may have been shot so as not to identify the perp and bundled into another vehicle. He could have been taped up semi-conscious so as not to arouse suspicion; the perp may not have been convinced he was dead or - to stop him defending himself.
Do we know for certain: Where the real actual crime scene was:at home where the safe was or at the bar where a struggle and cowboy hat with blood and his vehicle was??
Could Joe have been taken at his home and the cowboy hat "planted" at the bar, and a struggle was "staged"? & his vehicle" placed in lot?
The perp may not even have known about the
$740 in his top pocket... but
took his cigarettes he's possibly a smoker)
cell phone and keys. He's definitely local, definitely knew your dad - probably even went to the funeral. Are there any tapes of the funeral? Would you (and those close to Joe), all this time later, be able to identify those he'd helped out? Maybe this person would have wanted no waves; just blend in and be a part of a bigger crowd...
If you haven't seen the ME report - you wont know if there was water on his lungs (very sorry to be graphic - I'm just spelling out my thoughts.
Greed, sex, drugs, rock n roll and alcohol are key reasons for murder. The ghastly final act being of revenge ---> no witnesses & utter paranoia.
To Joe's daughters: Please ensure you write a formal letter to ME in order that you recieve ALL documentation and findings...otherwise you will have more delay in findings.
At the actual crime scene the vehicles behind the sheriffs tape are...
the car belongs to the first customer and the red truck belongs to the gf. The OSBI checked both vehicles before they were released. No LE vehicle was taken behind the tape. The crime scene was discovered a bit before noon and Sheriffs and OSBI stayed until early the next morning collecting evidence and studying the crime scene.
there
were a few passerbys that had seen a red truck??. the road around the bar is slightly downhill from the bar. you can tell this from the pictures on kay sullivans realty website. so if you drove by the bar you actually made a semi circle around the edge of the property. maybe if you were driving by and not knowing you would need to recall what you saw, the vehicles may look smaller from down the slight decline to the road. i do not think her vehicle is one of interest. they checked it over before it was released and also
verified that she(Gf) was at work at her other job before she went to bar to work.
Yes
he did use the bank. No he was
not planning any large transactions. The Long Branch was a karaoke bar, with 2 pool tables. The juke box had a variety of music with country and rock. He served popcorn and had other snacks available. They served beer and wine coolers only.
My dad did not want to buy another bar. He actually would have sold the Long Branch. It took up a lot of time, it was more of a hobby/hang out for him.
The gf(45?)the employee who called authorities was the girlfriend of Neff. Neff's girlfriend who came to open the bar that day. She found blood inside, and Neff's trademark cowboy hat had been left behind. Neff's SUV was still parked outside of the bar, but he was nowhere to be found.
Gf has another bf and has not been heard from in months. Her bf now is/may be older as well. some traffic tickets and dui on her record. Nothing else that i know of. She has not contacted us in several months
girlfriend's new boyfriend(information)--->
I had a news interview with Channel 40/29 News out of Ft Smith Ark. yesterday. The big story is going to air on Monday night at 10 pm. This is also about
Jody Wilson too.
in
jody's thread that she apparently knew the owners of "the bar" in poteau, and supposedly it was sold shortly after jody went missing on may 5. Wondering if joe was interested in buying that business, and somebody else didn't want that to happen.
Fired Oklahoma examiner
http://www.newsok.com/fired-oklahom...2?custom_click=lead_story_title#ixzz0fAnplvxY
I am SO sorry that has not occurred yet. MMD, your pain is so evident through your posts. I wish there was a magic formula to take that pain away but my guess is, it will never go away, only be more tolerable on some days than others. 
