OK OK - Jamison Family: Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned 08 Oct 2009 - #12

[little726]

OkieGranny, did Mr. Knittle say anything about doing an update on the story?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

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The location of the remains in relation to the well site where the truck was found:

And a topographical view of the larger area. I am apparently unable to draw a straight line, but the blue line is meant to emphasize the formidable terrain the Jamisons would've had to navigate in order to travel on foot from one point to the other. Just keep in mind that the closer together those wavy little lines are, the steeper the slope:

First, good work.

Second, the steepest part appears the area just north of where the truck was found. We know that they could climb that, from the photo.

I would strongly suspect that they walked to that location.

 

[OkieGranny]

OkieGranny, did Mr. Knittle say anything about doing an update on the story?

No, he didn't. There probably won't be any more press until positive IDs are confirmed.

 

[OkieGranny]

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First, good work.

Second, the steepest part appears the area just north of where the truck was found. We know that they could climb that, from the photo.

I would strongly suspect that they walked to that location.

Thanks! It looks like a pretty steep drop-off west of the well site toward Smokestack Hollow. If they circled a little bit west and then north around the crest of the mountain, they could gradually make their way down the north side where it looks like there's a road or trail, and eventually arrive at that spot. It would not have been a quick jaunt, so factor in the muddy conditions, approaching nightfall, and increasingly chilly temps while you think about that.

 

[Tulessa]

No word from Tulessa?

I'm peeping, but not very loudly. I have come down with a bug.

 

[little726]

Okay, this is the incident report released to the press by the LCSO. I blacked out the name of the civilian who found the remains, and also the name of the Drug and Violent Crime Task Force agent just to be on the safe side, in case he ever works undercover or something. I would want to keep a low profile if I had that job.

Maps to follow.

I noticed there are two sets of coords. listed on the report. On page #1-Location of offense/ 35.04298, -95.21731.

On page 3, Officer Dickson states, 35.014298, -95.21731.

If I did the map right, that's a two mile difference.

 

[Soulmagent]

Okay I was just over at 35.04298 -95.21731 and I am not seeing any fenced in area . Or any field area or any enclosed area . Anyone else?

Then here 35.014298, -95.21731 and same thing. Nothing.

 

[Mapman]

I noticed there are two sets of coords. listed on the report. On page #1-Location of offense/ 35.04298, -95.21731.

On page 3, Officer Dickson states, 35.014298, -95.21731.

If I did the map right, that's a two mile difference.

I didn't notice the first set of coordinates on page one, but I plotted the second set. The latitude of 35.014298 appears to be incorrect because it is only about halfway between the truck and the 2.7 mile ring. I don't believe that the first set is correct either. It appears to me that the officer might have entered a typo each time and that the correct latitude is 35.044298. When I plot this latitude along with the reported longtitude it is within 17' of the previously reported location. The previously reported coordinates were specified as D.M.S and the coordinates in the incident report are reported as decimal degrees. The 17' difference could easily be due to the rounding error in the conversion.

 

[Mitch1]

Interesting, the report says: Offender suspected of using!!

 

[OkieGranny]

I'm peeping, but not very loudly. I have come down with a bug.

Hope you get to feeling better! I figured you were out trying to get some Christmas shopping done, which is what I ought to be doing, lol.

Okay, I was just over at 35.04298 -95.21731 and I am not seeing any fenced in area. Or any field area or any enclosed area. Anyone else?

Then here 35.014298, -95.21731 and same thing. Nothing.

Yes, I noticed the additional 1 in the first coordinate on Page 3. I believe it's a typo. Like Mapman said, it's too close to the well site to fit the 2.7 aerial miles that's been described. I believe the correct coordinates are 35.04298 -95.21731 because it would be too much of a coincidence to be wrong but still be only 500 feet away from the coordinates NS was given by the ME's office.

As for the fence, I suspect it's a steel post and barbed wire fence, which is very commonly used on rural Oklahoma properties. If that is the case, it has a very slender profile and would be difficult to see from a satellite image, especially in a wooded area.

 

[OkieGranny]

Interesting, the report says: Offender suspected of using!!

You're kidding, right? Because that's the same font used in the rest of the pre-printed part of the form. The officer typing up the form left the space after "Offender suspected of using" blank. It appears be asking what kind of weapon the offender used in committing a crime against the victim(s).

 

[Soulmagent]

Interesting, the report says: Offender suspected of using!!

It doesn't tell us who the offender is .
And this incident report only mentions one set of remains in the victim part .. So there are more of these reports? Does each person get their own form?

 

[Mitch1]

It doesn't tell us who the offender is .
And this incident report only mentions one set of remains. So there are more of these reports?

You would think so since they found 3 skulls huh
I also noticed they filled in this report as a MALE instead of unknown

 

[TooCurious]

Lost in the woods for several hours who isn't gonna walk down the road they just crossed? Those are roads leading to well sites as far as I can tell. Either way their remains were found not too far from a road/path. If they were that close to dying of exposure, or nightfall, orthe rain who wouldn't walk that road? If hypothermia set in then they wouldn't be rational. However, there is a long, long time gap between the picture and when it would have been cold enough too get hypothermia. Like 9 or 10 hours. I still think it is a body dump area. Deep in the woods yet close to a road.

 

[TooCurious]

Shoes, plural as in pairs or plural as in 2? I would be surprised if Sherilyne's shoes were found. Maybe not "surprised" but I don't think they will be there.
Nothing about a metal detector either.

 

[Soulmagent]

Hope you get to feeling better! I figured you were out trying to get some Christmas shopping done, which is what I ought to be doing, lol.



Yes, I noticed the additional 1 in the first coordinate on Page 3. I believe it's a typo. Like Mapman said, it's too close to the well site to fit the 2.7 aerial miles that's been described. I believe the correct coordinates are 35.04298 -95.21731 because it would be too much of a coincidence to be wrong but still be only 500 feet away from the coordinates NS was given by the ME's office.

As for the fence, I suspect it's a steel post and barbed wire fence, which is very commonly used on rural Oklahoma properties. If that is the case, it has a very slender profile and would be difficult to see from a satellite image, especially in a wooded area.

That report told me it was a wooded field . enclosed even. ,I also don't know who is signed the report as it doesn't look like any of the names on the list and it wasn't signed for 11 days and the report was not voted to be shared with the OSBI?

I didn't see any place close enough to those cords to fit the description in the report. Anyone else?

 

[Soulmagent]

What does it mean?

That they auto filled in that line so they can write in whatever later. I guess it saves like , no time because they have to write it up below anyway and waste some printer ink on every report it doesn't need to be on. IMO.

 

[Dallen]

I'm even more confused after reading the report

 

[Mitch1]

In one of NS's recent replies on the FTJ website she said they found 1 little pink shoe.
The report to me seems to be missing in "officiality", however the coordinates the ME confirmed for NS seemed to be way to close to the road for 3 people to have never been noticed. No matter what that area didn't seem like it was all that difficult to access from the one side.

 

[Mapman]

Hope you get to feeling better! I figured you were out trying to get some Christmas shopping done, which is what I ought to be doing, lol.



Yes, I noticed the additional 1 in the first coordinate on Page 3. I believe it's a typo. Like Mapman said, it's too close to the well site to fit the 2.7 aerial miles that's been described. I believe the correct coordinates are 35.04298 -95.21731 because it would be too much of a coincidence to be wrong but still be only 500 feet away from the coordinates NS was given by the ME's office.

As for the fence, I suspect it's a steel post and barbed wire fence, which is very commonly used on rural Oklahoma properties. If that is the case, it has a very slender profile and would be difficult to see from a satellite image, especially in a wooded area.

I hadn't noticed the 35.04298 latitude on page one when I previously plotted the 35.014298 value. After plotting the 35.04298 value I have to agree with OkieGranny that it is probably the correct value. It would be easy to report 35.044298 as 35.014298 so it seemed likely to me that was what happened because it corresponded to the NS value and these values are 2.78 miles from the truck. Although close to 2.7 miles it always bothered me that the distance wasn't reported as 2.8 miles if rounding to the nearest tenth and assuming that accurate truck coordinates were in the gps measuring the distance. However, the point at latitude 35.04298 is 2.699 miles from the truck - right on the money. Additionally, that point is on an area that is beginning to slope slightly upwards, and it seems like I heard somewhere that the remains were on somewhat of a slope.

I'm with OkieGranny on this one until someone in the know tells us otherwise.