OK OK - Molly Miller, 17, & Colt Haynes, 21, Wilson, 7 July 2013 - #1

[McSpy]

Transcript of Interview with Molly Miller's Brother and Cousins, Part 9

Listen to the interview here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolo...t-do-you-think

Key to the participants:

H: Host
GL: Molly's brother
PMF: Molly's cousin
MMS: Molly's cousin
S: Host's sidekick

(This is a slightly cleaned-up version, edited for readability. The raw version has been kept intact in a separate file.)

S: You know, like I said, I used to be a cop, and when somebody said their family's missing, I would, and if it came across my desk, well, I was all over that thing until it was fixed. And I didn't care whose fingers and toes that I stomped on, you know, because I was a state trooper for a while. And if the sheriff says no, you know, and you have a feeling that something is wrong, well, it doesn't matter what the sheriff said. It doesn't matter. And so we had to step on a lot of toes of sheriffs in my short term as a cop. And when you come across sheriffs like this across this country, people think, oh, you know, that we don't have those problems anymore. Well, yes, you do. Especially in the Midwest. And, you know, that's what this all sounds like. There's still people within the FBI that will get into this. And, like I said, you need to be calling these people two times a day, what have you found out? You know, because nothing is happening. If the state people…

PMF: Mm-hm.

S: … won't do it, the state police aren't doing it, well, then the next step is the FBI. So, you know, and you want to impeach the guy, that has to go through your county first. But, from what it sounds like, the state attorney general has to step in. You know, so, this is, this is quite bizarre.

H: Uh, something I was wanting to come back right quick to because I think BlogTalk Radio is about to cut us off here in about twenty minutes. I think we get an hour on it of archive time?

S: Right, right.

H: But something I wanted to get back to was the car. That you, uh, it's stated that that car was reported stolen. But that car, uh, is it accurate that that car was registered to, uh, C's girlfriend?

MMS: Yep.

PMF: Yes.

H: Okay, was that car reported stolen before or after the chase?

PMF: After. 6:30 the next morning.

H: 6:30 the next morning it had been reported stolen.

MMS: Yep.

H: Uh, now, there, was an account saying that, you know, there was no confirmation that C (unintelligible). From what I understand, that there was plenty of confirmation and proof that C was behind the wheel. Is there?

PMF: Well, I'll, I'll put it this way. We do have a statement to that effect, but I'll also tell you this. On September the 10th when we had a meeting with all law enforcement, uh, agencies that are involved in this, um, I asked JR why he called off the police chase. And he, his words were, I told Number Five to block off Long Hollow Road because that's where he always goes. So that was confirmation enough for me to know that that was CN driving that car. Number Five did not block off Long Hollow Road. He went on down Oswalt Road toward the car, the direction the car was coming from, and they almost hit him head on. He had to ditch his car. So…

H: Wow.

PMF: … um, he did have, he made contact with the car. Now, dusted out, I'm not sure that that's the case because, by the time he got turned around and got turned around to heading back toward the car, they were already down Long Hollow Road. He did see the dust up, but dusted out, I don't think that was the case. I just don't. I just think they drove down to the end of the road, didn't see the car anymore, left and went home. That's my personal opinion.

H: Right.

PMF: I don't know for a fact that's how it went, but we know they did not get the car. We also know that JR did not defend them when we asked him those questions in the meeting. You know, they know his MO. They know what he's going to do. They just let him do it.

H: And I think R's, uh, response, to block off Long Hollow Road, that's where he always goes, that should be proof enough to know, uh, to say that R knew exactly who he was dealing with.

MMS: Yes.

PMF: Yeah, he said C is a loose cannon.

H: Wow.

PMF: Hello?

H: Yeah, I'm, I'm here. I was, I was trying to think of a way to, uh, I'm trying to select my words carefully on this. Um, so, so after… I really don't know how to ask the question. Um, after the chase, there was a call from Molly that she had, uh, had she gotten away from C or was she still with him? She was alone?

PMF: We don't know that.

H: Oh, okay, you don't know that, okay. Um, is there any additional information that you want to, or, or that you can or want to be able to get out there? Is there any additional information that I did not cover that y'all were wanting to get out there?

PMF: I don't believe I do.

MMS: I just want to say something. You know, if C and the family didn't have nothing to hide on their land, they would be cooperative and want to get their name clear, and not lawyer up. If you're not guilty, you wouldn't lawyer up and you, you would let us search the land and want to clear your name. You're guilty otherwise.

H: You want to keep, uh, cops away as far as you can.

MMS: Exactly.

H: Um, well, has there been any lie detector tests or anything like that administered? I know there was questioning, you know, as, as he's lawyered up, uh, but was there any type of lie detector test, any forensics that were collected or anything like that?

PMF: No.

H: All right.

MMS: Nothing's been done.

PMF: He's never even been called in for questioning, much less a, a lie detector test. No.

H: Okay, okay, I was, I was under the understanding that he had been called in a couple of times for questioning.

PMF: No.

MMS: No.

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Wow! They haven't questioned him yet??? He lawyered up before he was even asked a question? Hmmm, if CN's girlfriend told the insurance company that CN had permission to drive her car and it was found wrecked on his family's property after a police chase, he has a lot of explaining to do. There are also witnesses (Colt's and Molly's friends who received calls or texts that night from that area) and phone records that point to Molly and Colt being in that car. Also, the fact the prints in the car were wiped clean is very suspect, in my opinion. This means someone is hiding something . . . Reckless driving, police chase, and missing passengers. Missing for months! Also, proof one was injured (phone records)! Where are they?? Hey, if Colt and Molly took off, why not disclose this? What is the big deal? It makes me think they didn't take off, because CN won't talk. He is hiding something.

I can see CN trying to beat the reckless driving charge, but to hold back any info on the missing passengers is strange. It makes me think the worse!

JMO

 

[2Hope4]

WOW! Lots came out in that talk!!! All this time I thought Molly had just met CN and Colt, but, from the interview it sounds like she's known them awhile.

Lots of info to digest.. Mind boggling how this can continue to go on and nothing is done!

 

[McSpy]

This is kind of my theory as well---and I would say molly threw herself in some way by trying to stop something, break something up, etc OR Molly was in fact hurt/killed in the accident and colt and the driver got into over that.

It makes me wonder if the 3 hung out together before this night. CN takes his girlfriend's car (he had keys?) and somehow Colt and Molly were invited along for a ride. Hmmm, I wonder how their night started and why Molly and Colt were in the car. Did CN run into them and invited them along? Did CN still hold a grudge against Colt that night or was he over it? Only someone in CN's, Colt's and Molly's circles probably knows the story.

JMO

 

[OkieGranny]

Wow! They haven't questioned him yet??? He lawyered up before he was even asked a question? Hmmm, if CN's girlfriend told the insurance company that CN had permission to drive her car and it was found wrecked on his family's property after a police chase, he has a lot of explaining to do. There are also witnesses (Colt's and Molly's friends who received calls or texts that night from that area) and phone records that point to Molly and Colt being in that car. Also, the fact the prints in the car were wiped clean is very suspect, in my opinion. This means someone is hiding something . . . Reckless driving, police chase, and missing passengers. Missing for months! Also, proof one was injured (phone records)! Where are they?? Hey, if Colt and Molly took off, why not disclose this? What is the big deal? It makes me think they didn't take off, because CN won't talk. He is hiding something.

I can see CN trying to beat the reckless driving charge, but to hold back any info on the missing passengers is strange. It makes me think the worse!

JMO

BBM

Just to be clear, because I listened to that part over and over again to make sure I got everyone's words exactly right, they do NOT know that the prints were wiped clean. They were TOLD by the Lone Grove PD that there would be no prints because the car had sat outdoors for two weeks, that fingerprints are moisture and moisture evaporates, so any prints that had been there would be gone. Not that the Millers believed that but, well, let me find what was said...

Okay, here it is:

H: ... Such as when they found the car, it, it was, uh, after the chase, after the car was found, what, was it two weeks later? The car had been completely wiped clean of any prints or any evidence.

PMF: Now, listen, I, I want to clear that up. We do not know that it was wiped clean. We, I mean, for a fact, we do not know that car was wiped clean. But what we do know is, when we questioned, uh, I believe it was Lone Grove Police Department, because those, the car was reported stolen through Lone Grove. We do know that they claimed there was no fingerprints in that car. That's what we do know. They, when we asked if there was fingerprints in the car, they said no. But they claimed it was because it had sat out in the elements for two weeks. But there's no DNA, there's no fingerprints, there's no nothing. It's all gone. But…

H: All right, all right.

PMF: … no. That's what they claim.

H: That's what they...

S: Well, let, let me interject something here, and this is S again. I used to be a cop, and that's a lie. Uh...

PMF: I know, but…

S: Fingerprints will be fingerprints for a long time. I don't care. Now if the car was underwater, that's a different story, but if it's out in the open, uh, the fingerprints would be there, if there were any to start with.

PMF: Yeah.

GL: Well, they told us that fingerprints are moisture and moisture evaporates.

S: No, I'm sorry. Uh, fingerprints are the oil from a, from a person. It's not water.

So, if the Lone Grove officer who told them fingerprints are water honestly believes that, then he's in the wrong line of work. Seriously. I mean, that's Criminology 101. If he was stonewalling them, and IMO that appears to be what's going on here, then their hands were tied.

If LE, including the various PDs, the sheriff's office, and the OSBI, will not cooperate in obtaining forensic evidence, what recourse does the average citizen have? To go higher, if you can get a higher level of LE to step in. But even the FBI has not stepped in.

So, to me, that man at the very end of the interview was giving this family very good advice on how to get around the stonewalling, and I hope they are following that advice as we speak, because no one is going to help them as things stand.

 

[McSpy]

BBM

Just to be clear, because I listened to that part over and over again to make sure I got everyone's words exactly right, they do NOT know that the prints were wiped clean. They were TOLD by the Lone Grove PD that there would be no prints because the car had sat outdoors for two weeks, that fingerprints are moisture and moisture evaporates, so any prints that had been there would be gone. Not that the Millers believed that but, well, let me find what was said...

Okay, here it is:



So, if the Lone Grove officer who told them fingerprints are water honestly believes that, then he's in the wrong line of work. Seriously. I mean, that's Criminology 101. If he was stonewalling them, and IMO that appears to be what's going on here, then their hands were tied.

If LE, including the various PDs, the sheriff's office, and the OSBI, will not cooperate in obtaining forensic evidence, what recourse does the average citizen have? To go higher, if you can get a higher level of LE to step in. But even the FBI has not stepped in.

So, to me, that man at the very end of the interview was giving this family very good advice on how to get around the stonewalling, and I hope they are following that advice as we speak, because no one is going to help them as things stand.

Many times LE holds back on telling the family or anyone all the details, because it can compromise the investigation. In this case, they may not want CN to find out his or others prints were found in that car. They want to catch him in a LIE. However, I have no idea this is the case in this case. LE could be corrupt. I don't know. But I do know, sometimes LE doesn't disclose everything to the family or to the media, because they want to catch the perp at his own game. I hope this is what is happening in this case.

JMO

 

[McSpy]

Transcript of Interview with Molly Miller's Brother and Cousins, Part 4

Listen to the interview here:

[url]http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolony/2013/10/15/what-do-you-think[/URL]

Key to the participants:

H: Host
GL: Molly's brother
PMF: Molly's cousin
MMS: Molly's cousin

(This is a slightly cleaned-up version, edited for readability. The raw version has been kept intact in a separate file.)

GL: But this is very serious. This is a 17-year-old girl. But he, but since he knows C and that's his cousin, he knows, he automatically assumes, well, hell, if she's running around with C, and he knows, I don't know what… I honestly believe, you know, I know that C… There's a back story too with C and Colt, you know. Their history, you know, the love triangle with Colt's baby mom. When Colt's baby's mama is C's girlfriend of two years. When Colt got K pregnant, C beat K up when she was six months pregnant while Colt was in jail. I mean, that might sound like some drama and BS but just, what we're saying that since then, C didn't really care much for Colt, like he wouldn't mind, like, he just didn't. And when K got beat up by C, she went and filed charges in Love County and guess what happened?

H: Nothing.

GL: Nothing.

H: Once again, once again, covered up by good old Cousin J.

GL: Yeah, looking out, good looking out, Cuz. You know, whether it was like I'm going to get you off this one, you know, you little b******, you better… You know, I don't get it. It's like he's an enabler, in a sense. He's enabled this criminal to, you know, to happen. Look at his son. If you go, if you look at the history of JR's son, his own flesh and son, I mean…

H: WR.

GL: Yeah. Do you want to know about the, yeah, JR's son? I guess it would be C's second cousin or however they're all, you know, kin.

H: Well, Marietta isn't a family tree, it's a fencepost, I'll just put it that way.

GL: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just the way… But, I mean, he's just looked at it as, you know, I don't know… He's got to be crooked if he, if his son's that way. You know what I mean?

H: It is alleged that W…

GL: At least have the dignity...

H: It is alleged that WR runs a meth ring in Love County out of J's home. It is alleged, I want to make sure…

GL: I mean, I know for a fact…

H: --- I don't (unintelligible) anything.

GL: I know for a fact, I mean, I know who does the drugs in town, I know who parties, I know who goes to church. It's just...

H: Mm-hm.

GL: I mean, you know who goes to AA, who goes to NA, you know who goes to… You just know… I mean, I'm 23 years old, I just know. And it doesn't matter how I know, I just know.

H: Right, right.

GL: And, you know, I know who's W's running buddies are. I know, I mean, everyone does, because it doesn't take but a phone call to get something, you know, of the scoop on the person down, your neighbor, or down, you know, or the person halfway, that's just how it is.

H: Now were any threats made to Molly or Colt immediately previous to this disappearance, that y'all know of?

GL: (unintelligible) knowledge of that.

PMF: What was the question?

H: Uh, any threats immediately before the disappearance made towards Molly or Colt?

PMF: No, not that I'm aware of.

H: Okay. All right, um, yeah, I was just trying to see if, you know, before something happened if there was already a fear of something going on.

GL: Well, see, I've known who C is for a long time and it was maybe two years ago, that was my first run-in with CN. And the story, what I heard in town, what got back to me was, you know, and it was kind of done behind my back, and I don't know how it was, but Molly was with C and Colt riding around, you know. She was barely 15, you know, that's when they first started riding around. But I didn't give a s*** because these guys are my age, you know…

PMF: Mm-hm.

GL: … and I went and cut C's tires. So, and then I ran from…

PMF: Okay, let's not put that on air. Are we on the air?

H: Yeah, uh, well…

GL: Well, I mean, I'm just saying, I know who this guy is, you know, and he has, he don't like me. I know that. I mean, for that reason right there. And his buddy CB, they're all running around town acting like idiots, you know, running from cops and doing that s***, and there's no, that's unnecessary, you know…

H: Now, a specific question that I do want to ask. It, it was posted, um, that as a search team arrived, I believe it was Sunday morning, a man was seen leaving a wooded area on a four-wheeler.

?: Yeah.

H: Okay, um, do y'all know who that person was?

PMF: You know, he didn't give us his name. I know he…

H: Oh, oh...

PMF: … has, um, land around the vicinity.

H: Okay, because the reason I was asking is I was actually, uh, I drive a truck and I was actually coming into town, uh, about that time and I didn't know anything about hearing that but, uh, a person was leaving out off of 32 on the other end of town, uh, a muddied-up four-wheeler leaving on the back of a white pickup truck.

PMF: From where?

H: Uh, leaving on the other side of Marietta? Uh, going down 32 as you go across the railroad tracks?

MMS: Oh, really?

H: Yes, uh, it was a muddied-up four-wheeler being pulled, uh, I want to say it was a Dodge. I want to say it was a Dodge, but I can't be for positive. But it was a larger white pickup truck. I just didn't know if you knew the individual, if there'd be any, if y'all knew for a fact that that's what kind of, you know, vehicle that individual drove.

MMS: Was he pulling anything? Like a little trailer or nothing? Just, just a four-wheeler?

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I believe this. When I was GL's age I knew a lot. I knew where the drugs came from. I knew who did the drugs. His statement seems believable. JMO

 

[OkieGranny]

Originally posted by McSpy
Many times LE holds back on telling the family or anyone all the details, because it can compromise the investigation. In this case, they may not want CN to find out his or others prints were found in that car. They want to catch him in a LIE. However, I have no idea this is the case in this case. LE could be corrupt. I don't know. But I do know, sometimes LE doesn't disclose everything to the family or to the media, because they want to catch the perp at his own game. I hope this is what is happening in this case.

Yeah, it would be great if that's all it is, but I don't think any of the local LE agencies are that sophisticated. JMO.

If LE doesn't want to discuss forensic evidence with the families of these kids in order to avoid jeopardizing the case, then they should be saying "We cannot discuss it," instead of trying to feed them a load of hog slop.

Originally posted by McSpy
I believe this. When I was GL's age I knew a lot. I knew where the drugs came from. I knew who did the drugs. His statement seems believable. JMO

I totally agree. I think it's hard for people who have always lived in more metropolitan areas to understand what rural small town life is like. You do know everybody, and you do know everybody's business. You know who's strait-laced and who's up to no good. You've known these people all your life, you've gone to school with them, you go to church with them, you go to each others' weddings and funerals, and you're related to a lot of them by blood or marriage.

It took a long time for me to adjust to living in the city, because life is so anonymous here. I was so used to seeing people I knew everywhere I went, and now I NEVER run into anyone I know. It is a very, very different way of life, in many ways.

 

[StacyMarie83]

i wouldn't be surprised if they were wiped clean and the moisture bit was an excuse after hearing where the car went and who owned that lot :-/

 

[StacyMarie83]

this is just really making me angry, the more that comes out--the more it looks like a horrible small-town cover-up. When I heard fire-pit, that was the red flag that brought me here....but now there's soooooo much more than just that burning land (although i do think both missing people ended up in there). It's just very frustrating.

 

[windstorm]

You know, I just really REALLY can't figure out what the problem is with OSBI and FBI. How obvious does it need to be to get a higher authority involved?

I've just never seen anything like this before.

IIRC Molly is bi-racial being part Chickasaw. Does the Chickasaw Nation have a way to get involved?

 

[McSpy]

You know, I just really REALLY can't figure out what the problem is with OSBI and FBI. How obvious does it need to be to get a higher authority involved?

I've just never seen anything like this before.

IIRC Molly is bi-racial being part Chickasaw. Does the Chickasaw Nation have a way to get involved?

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Good idea.

 

[OkieGranny]

The tribal police and courts would have no jurisdiction unless a crime was committed on Indian land, but the tribe itself may have some political pull if it wanted to exert some influence to get things moving on behalf of one of its members.

The Cherokee Nation has quite a bit of political power where I'm from, because a large percentage of the locals are at least part Cherokee, including me. The Chickasaw Nation probably wields a similar degree of influence in its region as well. Carter and Love Counties are both within its jurisdictional area so it's definitely worth checking into, and the family may have done so already. I know the question was raised on the Operation Find Molly page.

 

[Hatfield]

I agree that the more you read into this case, the worse things seem to be. This case is the definition of a conflict of interest. If the owner of the place they towed the vehicle is actually related in some way too, that is just too much.

Hopefully the family can enlist help from the right people. They definitely need an advocate that can work for them. I hope they have enlisted both an atorney and the FBI by now. And a PI would help as well. I know money for these types of things is not cheap, but maybe an attoney would work on contingency for them.

This is a very serious case and it is going to take a serious level of help.

 

[OkieGranny]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/438762539575189/permalink/453377501447026/

In a comment on this post at Operation Find Molly, her cousin PMF says they've made real progress in the last couple of days. She doesn't specify exactly what that means, but it sounds encouraging.

 

[McSpy]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/438762539575189/permalink/453377501447026/

In a comment on this post at Operation Find Molly, her cousin PMF says they've made real progress in the last couple of days. She doesn't specify exactly what that means, but it sounds encouraging.

That is so good to hear. This whole thing has to be so agonizing for Molly's and Colt's families. I'm glad there is movement on the case.

 

[OkieGranny]

Am listening to the BlogTalk radio podcast from last night; this time it's an interview with two of Colt's sisters.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolony/2013/10/22/what-do-you-think

One sister says a Lone Grove police officer told her Molly's purse and ID were found in the car.

 

[McSpy]

Am listening to the BlogTalk radio podcast from last night; this time it's an interview with two of Colt's sisters.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolony/2013/10/22/what-do-you-think

One sister says a Lone Grove police officer told her Molly's purse and ID were found in the car.

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Interesting . . . I read a comment below a news article somewhere that indicated her ID was found in the car. This confirms that comment was truthful. I don't think this looks good, however. I would think she would have tried to gather her stuff before taking off. Maybe someone talked her into leaving it all behind? I hope this is the case.

JMO

 

[OkieGranny]

Gleaned some new info from last night's radio interview with Colt's family. The car chase apparently began in Wilson at a convenience store "by the bank." The nearest bank to Love County that I could find is on Main Street in Wilson and there is a convenience store next to it so, for the moment, I'm going to assume that's the one. If you route the trip from that store (A) to Long Hollow Road (B), you get something like this:

That's a distance of 18.5 miles and takes about 30 minutes to drive. That's 6.6 miles from the store to the Love County line, and then about 12 more miles from that point to the end of Long Hollow Road. And, of course, it's a 30-minute drive under normal conditions, not a high-speed chase.

For additional perspective, the next view is the area between Pike Road (A) on the left and Long Hollow Road (B) on the right. There's a two-mile distance between the two with Oswalt Road connecting them at the top. Oswalt is where the Love County deputy allegedly had to swerve off the road to avoid a head-on collision with the car.

Lest you be thinking this looks like a nice flat piece of land with some trees scattered across it, here's the terrain view:

And here's a close-up of the end of Long Hollow Road. I still don't know exactly where the car was found, but this is a thickly wooded area, populated by venomous snakes, wild boars, and various other scary creatures:

I hope this helps to illustrate how difficult the search for Molly and Colt has been for their families, and without a whole lot of official help. They could be anywhere in there. Or they might not be.

 

[OkieGranny]

Interesting . . . I read a comment below a news article somewhere that indicated her ID was found in the car. This confirms that comment was truthful. I don't think this looks good, however. I would think she would have tried to gather her stuff before taking off. Maybe someone talked her into leaving it all behind? I hope this is the case.

JMO

One of Colt's sisters says she spoke to someone who claims he did receive a phone call from Molly that morning and she didn't sound like she thought she was in danger. According to that person, she was looking for a ride but he was on his way to work, and she was like, okay, talk to you later.

We should keep in mind that one of Molly's cousins doesn't believe Molly made any calls other than to 911 that morning, but we don't know the reason for her doubt.

Just got clearance to transcribe this interview as well. Will probably do only the first part before the intermission because it was the most interesting, hearing the Haynes family's perspective on the case as well as some additional info.

 

[reedus23]

this is just really making me angry, the more that comes out--the more it looks like a horrible small-town cover-up. When I heard fire-pit, that was the red flag that brought me here....but now there's soooooo much more than just that burning land (although i do think both missing people ended up in there). It's just very frustrating.

I have seen references to fire in more than one place. Months before any of this went down, that copblock site posted about a couple different investigations involving the sheriff and in both cases evidence or property ended up being burned. I would love to know if there is any merit to such claims because if so, well I don't know, would seem awfully coincidental.