OK OK - Molly Miller, 17, & Colt Haynes, 21, Wilson, 7 July 2013 - #1

[OkieGranny]

Transcript of Interview with Molly Miller's Brother and Cousins, Part 4

Listen to the interview here:

[url]http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolony/2013/10/15/what-do-you-think[/URL]

Key to the participants:

H: Host
GL: Molly's brother
PMF: Molly's cousin
MMS: Molly's cousin

(This is a slightly cleaned-up version, edited for readability. The raw version has been kept intact in a separate file.)

GL: But this is very serious. This is a 17-year-old girl. But he, but since he knows C and that's his cousin, he knows, he automatically assumes, well, hell, if she's running around with C, and he knows, I don't know what… I honestly believe, you know, I know that C… There's a back story too with C and Colt, you know. Their history, you know, the love triangle with Colt's baby mom. When Colt's baby's mama is C's girlfriend of two years. When Colt got K pregnant, C beat K up when she was six months pregnant while Colt was in jail. I mean, that might sound like some drama and BS but just, what we're saying that since then, C didn't really care much for Colt, like he wouldn't mind, like, he just didn't. And when K got beat up by C, she went and filed charges in Love County and guess what happened?

H: Nothing.

GL: Nothing.

H: Once again, once again, covered up by good old Cousin J.

GL: Yeah, looking out, good looking out, Cuz. You know, whether it was like I'm going to get you off this one, you know, you little b******, you better… You know, I don't get it. It's like he's an enabler, in a sense. He's enabled this criminal to, you know, to happen. Look at his son. If you go, if you look at the history of JR's son, his own flesh and son, I mean…

H: WR.

GL: Yeah. Do you want to know about the, yeah, JR's son? I guess it would be C's second cousin or however they're all, you know, kin.

H: Well, Marietta isn't a family tree, it's a fencepost, I'll just put it that way.

GL: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just the way… But, I mean, he's just looked at it as, you know, I don't know… He's got to be crooked if he, if his son's that way. You know what I mean?

H: It is alleged that W…

GL: At least have the dignity...

H: It is alleged that WR runs a meth ring in Love County out of J's home. It is alleged, I want to make sure…

GL: I mean, I know for a fact…

H: --- I don't (unintelligible) anything.

GL: I know for a fact, I mean, I know who does the drugs in town, I know who parties, I know who goes to church. It's just...

H: Mm-hm.

GL: I mean, you know who goes to AA, who goes to NA, you know who goes to… You just know… I mean, I'm 23 years old, I just know. And it doesn't matter how I know, I just know.

H: Right, right.

GL: And, you know, I know who's W's running buddies are. I know, I mean, everyone does, because it doesn't take but a phone call to get something, you know, of the scoop on the person down, your neighbor, or down, you know, or the person halfway, that's just how it is.

H: Now were any threats made to Molly or Colt immediately previous to this disappearance, that y'all know of?

GL: (unintelligible) knowledge of that.

PMF: What was the question?

H: Uh, any threats immediately before the disappearance made towards Molly or Colt?

PMF: No, not that I'm aware of.

H: Okay. All right, um, yeah, I was just trying to see if, you know, before something happened if there was already a fear of something going on.

GL: Well, see, I've known who C is for a long time and it was maybe two years ago, that was my first run-in with CN. And the story, what I heard in town, what got back to me was, you know, and it was kind of done behind my back, and I don't know how it was, but Molly was with C and Colt riding around, you know. She was barely 15, you know, that's when they first started riding around. But I didn't give a s*** because these guys are my age, you know…

PMF: Mm-hm.

GL: … and I went and cut C's tires. So, and then I ran from…

PMF: Okay, let's not put that on air. Are we on the air?

H: Yeah, uh, well…

GL: Well, I mean, I'm just saying, I know who this guy is, you know, and he has, he don't like me. I know that. I mean, for that reason right there. And his buddy CB, they're all running around town acting like idiots, you know, running from cops and doing that s***, and there's no, that's unnecessary, you know…

H: Now, a specific question that I do want to ask. It, it was posted, um, that as a search team arrived, I believe it was Sunday morning, a man was seen leaving a wooded area on a four-wheeler.

?: Yeah.

H: Okay, um, do y'all know who that person was?

PMF: You know, he didn't give us his name. I know he…

H: Oh, oh...

PMF: … has, um, land around the vicinity.

H: Okay, because the reason I was asking is I was actually, uh, I drive a truck and I was actually coming into town, uh, about that time and I didn't know anything about hearing that but, uh, a person was leaving out off of 32 on the other end of town, uh, a muddied-up four-wheeler leaving on the back of a white pickup truck.

PMF: From where?

H: Uh, leaving on the other side of Marietta? Uh, going down 32 as you go across the railroad tracks?

MMS: Oh, really?

H: Yes, uh, it was a muddied-up four-wheeler being pulled, uh, I want to say it was a Dodge. I want to say it was a Dodge, but I can't be for positive. But it was a larger white pickup truck. I just didn't know if you knew the individual, if there'd be any, if y'all knew for a fact that that's what kind of, you know, vehicle that individual drove.

MMS: Was he pulling anything? Like a little trailer or nothing? Just, just a four-wheeler?

 

[OkieGranny]

Transcript of Interview with Molly Miller's Brother and Cousins, Part 5

Listen to the interview here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolo...t-do-you-think

Key to the participants:

H: Host
GL: Molly's brother
PMF: Molly's cousin
MMS: Molly's cousin

(This is a slightly cleaned-up version, edited for readability. The raw version has been kept intact in a separate file.)

H: Uh, yes, uh, the four-wheeler was on a utility trailer. You know, I'm just, you know, on a, your regular pull-on trailer.

MMS: Hm.

H: You know, I, and I thought it was (unintelligible) especially for that type of (unintelligible)

PMF: Was that near Leon? Or did it head toward Leon?

H: Uh, uh, well, is, Leon is on the west side of Marietta, right?

PMF: Uh, yes.

H: Okay, no, uh, this was on the east side of Marietta headed east.

PMF: Okay.

H: You know, I know what you're getting at, getting at with that question. Uh, but no, this, this was headed east. On 32. Um, I mean, I've just seen so much, uh, on the post, I'm trying to think of all the questions that I was thinking okay, I need to ask them this, this and this, um, or I'd like to.

<snip>

H: Um, now, was there any specific information that y'all were needing to be brought up? You know, um, do you know if there are any plans for an organized public search? Because, in my opinion, they, um, the official search, what I mean by officials, by sheriffs and, you know, and police, they're dragging their heels and, you know, yes, they are bound by what I've seen termed "the color of law," um, you know, so they are bound in some ways and in other ways they're just being very lax and very, um, derelict in their abilities, or in their actions. Do you know if there's any type of public, uh, organized public search being in the process of being organized?

PMF: RH joined our case on September the 10th, with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, and he has, um, gotten more done in the month or so that he's been involved in our case than anything's been done since it began. He is organizing a search. We don't know the date of that search at this time, but he is, with (unintelligible) other law enforcement agencies, including the US Marshal, um, going to organize a search, for the public as well to join in on the search.

H: Okay, uh, all right, and if you go to the Operation Find Molly Miller, you see a missing, uh, a missing poster and that still has Trooper H's phone number on it, does it not?

PMF: That is correct.

H: Okay, all right. And you can go there, you know… Uh, now is there, one thing that I have observed is that there is a free flow of information. Some of it is factual. A lot of it is hearsay, opinion, and made up out of the wild blue yonder.

PMF: Correct.

H: I'm trying to select my words carefully, I really am. Um, is there anybody that has been designated as a source of information, um, public information, you know, to be able to give out factual information on this? I believe it's one of y'all, isn't it?

PMF: Well, if you want to know the truth, uh, well, anything that you read on our page that M (Molly's mother), M, G, or I post is factual information.

H: Okay.

PMF: Uh, it's either we've heard it, uh, with our own ears and we know it to be true. You know, we do know it to be true or we would not post it. Um, we have been doing the investigation from Day 1 and, just like our search this weekend, as I told the law enforcement agents that was out there, they are here to assist us in this because, um, the search that happened over the weekend was arranged by the family and not by law enforcement. Um…

H: Okay.

PMF: Uh, and we've been out, up until recently we had been out every single weekend for three months searching for Molly out in the woods. So, any time law enforcement has been out there, it has been to assist us. We have been to a lake and had the lake searched. We had an organization from Illinois come down, with Texas Equusearch, and help us, uh, with sonar equipment and search a lake. We did have law enforcement on the scene, but it was, uh, and it wasn't even at our request. We asked them to open the gate for us to get on the property, but the law enforcement agent stayed, um, the deputy stayed there while we searched the lake. He was not requested to be there, though. So, any search at this point has been, the family has conducted every search. We have followed all the leads, and we have given that information to law enforcement to follow. Um, have they done their job? Mmm, I don't, I'm not real confident of that, no. So…

H: Well, I…

PMF: … um, at this point, any information that's posted on that Facebook page has come from the family. Now, I will say that there are several, um, now several Love County deputies who are involved in this case. One of them being DB. One being JD. CB. And there's a boy, I think he's a reserve, his name's A and I don't know the last name and I feel bad about that right now but, um, they did assist this weekend and they had, they, honest to God, knew nothing, um, to the extent of this case. I mean, they said the communication within the department is nil, at best. You know, until they talked to the family themselves and contacted us through our Facebook page, they knew nothing of what was going on with this case. And they are doing everything in their power to help this family now. You know, to bring us some sort of closure. And I do want to put a shout-out to all of them because they really went above and beyond this weekend as far as I'm concerned.

H: Yeah, you know, I was keeping up with the Facebook and, uh, I remember Deputy D specifically. You know, he was out there bustin' his hump, as I'm sure other deputies were but, you know, he just stuck out in my mind.

PMF: Yeah, yeah.

H: You know, bustin' his hump trying to get something done, you know, feet on the ground, walking through, trying to find something.

PMF: Yeah. And I missed one there. Um, a gentleman by the name of JD. He's a deputy. He's an older man and, quite a bit older, way past retirement age, and he has beat those woods on foot, and he has, he wants everything, he wants more than anything to put this to rest. And, you know, I understand that a lot of lives have been changed during this process. You know, a lot of people, um, they will never be the same. Just like I was told tonight by, um, I will not say her name over the air, but she is a doctor and she told me that I am ruining her career by a post that I put on Facebook, and I'm ruining their lives. And I said what do you think has happened to ours? You know? And she says I know what's, I know what these people have done, is what she stated to me. Well, just so happens the same girl who was making threats to me works for her.

H: Hmm...

PMF: The girl that told me she was going to blow my face off works for her. So, you know, um, I just find it very odd, that… You know, I guess it's not odd, I guess this is typical behavior for the people of Love County. They have gotten used to this and think they're above the law, the ones who are not, um, conducting themselves in a way that's, I guess you would say… Oh, what's the word I'm looking for? Um…

 

[OkieGranny]

Transcript of Interview with Molly Miller's Brother and Cousins, Part 6

Listen to the interview here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolo...t-do-you-think

Key to the participants:

H: Host
GL: Molly's brother
PMF: Molly's cousin
MMS: Molly's cousin
S: Host's sidekick

(This is a slightly cleaned-up version, edited for readability. The raw version has been kept intact in a separate file.)

H: Fitting?

PMF: Yeah, I guess. Um, but, you know, as people have stated to us, um, I know me and my sister and M (Molly's mother), uh, we get private messages, a lot of them, on a daily basis, thanking us for helping them, because they live in that county and they cannot do it on their own because of the repercussions they would suffer because of it. They said they have been terrorized by these people. They have, you know, they burn down fields. They steal people's property that they worked hard for, and nothing is ever done to them. And, um, they want their county fixed. They want to be able to unlock their doors again, basically, is what they say. You know?

H: Right.

PMF: And it, so, you know, there's a motivation there for us to help these people, but our first goal, our first and foremost goal is to bring Molly home.

H: Is, and I'm sorry if this is a (unintelligible), um… Have, has there been some good… I understand that you, I'm not going to ask if, but I understand that you would not be able to comment on this, um, but has there been any good solid evidence that law enforcement has come across to point them in the right direction to solve this?

PMF: No.

H: Hm.

PMF: The answer's no.

H: Uh, nothing. Um...

PMF: Well, um, over the weekend, when law enforcement was out there with us and we were visiting with them about different things and, that has gone on since we began this, they were clueless. Absolutely clueless to anything that we knew. I mean, they had no idea. And I personally think they were flabbergasted at what we knew and what we could tell them about their own department. You know what I'm saying? And, um, I got confirmation of that through an e-mail today that I was right. And, um, so, you know, they didn't want to believe it, but now they do. And I can't state as to who it was or what was said. But they do have confirmation, they got confirmation today that we're right. We're, this is, we're not just out there blowing smoke up people's butts, you know. There's, there's something very wrong with the fact that a, this child is missing, and nobody gave a damn. Nobody gave a damn. And they still don't. They want us to go away. But we got news for them. We're not going away.

GL: Huh-uh.

PMF: It's, it's not going to happen.

H: It seems to me the harder they fight to get this to just go, just to leave them alone, just to go away, it seems that every inch they move to try to get that done, you gain more support.

MMS: Right. That's right.

S: Well, H, this is S. I've been putting myself on mute listening to all this. Has anybody called, uh, any news agencies, uh, the FBI or state police or anything? I mean, has that happened at all or you just getting the, a cold wind blowing?

PMF: Are, when you, when you say the state police, are you talking about the OSBI?

S: Well, uh, the state police. Um, that's what I'm talking about.

PMF: Well, the Oklahoma Highway Patrol has been involved.

GL: Yes.

PMF: Um, and they have been very cooperative and they have, like I said, they have done more in the month that they've been in this investigation than has been done in the entire time. Now, they're getting the information that we can't get ahold of, like phone records and this type of thing. Um, we continue to follow the leads that we get, uh, but as far as getting any help… News stations, yes, um, there's been very few that have wanted to cooperate, and take the, take the story. Um, but, yes, we've been on, uh, News Channel 9 out of Oklahoma City and KTEN in, um, I guess Texhoma.

H: Mm-hm, right, because that's, that's, I believe that's where I got, you know, the news information was from KTEN.

PMF: Well, those are the only two news stations, but every news station in the state of Oklahoma has been contacted. But they're the only two that have contacted the family and willing to listen to our story.

H: Now, have you found any possible way to be able to take, uh, because of the obvious conflict of interest, uh, between, you know, the, uh, the prime suspect being family members of the sheriff and the sheriff being the investigating body? Um, have y'all come across any information where y'all can totally remove the sheriff out the case because of this? To get him totally out of the loop on the investigation?

MMS: No.

PMF: Well, we've got the information but doing it, uh, the process is not that easy. Um, we are planning on getting a petition signed. It only takes 15 signatures to impeach a sheriff. Um, however, you know, my point is, and what I've stated before, I don't want JR going out on his terms. I want to see JR sit in federal prison for the rest of his life for what he's done. For what he's allowed to happen, I'll put it that way. He has allowed...

H: Would J…

PMF: And there are…

H: I'm sorry, go ahead.

PMF: Well, there are agencies investigating but… You know, it just can't happen quick enough for this family. We've, we've gone over three months now, waiting. You know, so, it's all due process.

H: Uh, would the family support a movement to have Sheriff R removed from office through recall or through protest? We can make, uh, because if the family would support something like that, I'm sure something like that can be put together on a short-term notice.

PMF: You mean, as far as asking him for his resignation or an impeachment, or a recall?

H: An impeachment, because if he's recalled or if he resigns, he goes out on his own terms and continues this line of not being accountable for actions. If he is impeached, that is a criminal indictment. And his, his sheriff's administration has had a long line of abuses. If you remember the JB case, just, I believe it was earlier this year, when his undersheriff, his right-hand man, was charged and pled out to fifty thousand dollars worth of embezzlement. And he claimed he had no knowledge of this, when I can prove it was a lie. It was a known fact county-wide. Because if, if you get the bigger picture of Love and Carter County, Love County is under the district of, uh, the Ardmore district attorney, so it is all prosecuted by the exact same person, and that would be CL. Right about the exact same time JB was taken down, there were several other Ardmore city employees also taken down for embezzlement. So, it's like, when one cat gets let out of the bag, it shows where he's had his hand in the entire district.

 

[McSpy]

Hypothetically, my thoughts are that if a pursuit occurred and 2 people were killed and the driver implicated in that killing, said driver's motive would be:

1) The 2 people had knowledge that would be detrimental to the killer and possibly threatened to "spill the beans"

2) Driver was outraged, out of his mind, possibly drugged up and just "lost it" in a fit of rage

3) 2 people died as a result of the accident which would turn into involuntary manslaughter for the driver, so he hid it

4) Revenge on one and the other just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

After reading about the love triangle from the past between Colt, CN and his (ex?) girlfriend, there may have been some underlying resentment. This could have blown up after the wreck. In otherwords, CN didn't hold back. Since Colt was injured, CN was in worst trouble than if there were no injuries. I do think they were all partying too. So, as we all know, stupid or evil things can happen during that kind of scenario.

 

[OkieGranny]

From the next part of the radio interview (still trying to finish transcribing, very long, very tedious work):

"Well, so we've got two missing people, we've got the last place they were known to be in and that is that car. Let's hurry up and get it out of here before that family gets off this property and can see it. We were also told that car was not wrecked. There was $14,000 worth of damage done to that car and it was totalled by the insurance company."

That's a direct quote from Molly's cousin. So it appears we can put to rest the question of whether the wreck was ever reported to the insurance company. What happened next, what details they were given, whether they ever paid the claim, I'd still like to know.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolony/2013/10/15/what-do-you-think

 

[MzAlexis]

Thank you so much OkieGranny for your hard work! I appreciate it very much! :seeya:

 

[fabvab]

OkieGranny,
I think you are awesome for transcribing these radio interviews too! I appreciate your time and effort!:cheers:

 

[BlithePlum]

Goodness. I've spent a few hours today listening to these radio shows and reading up on things...I don't know how the family is still managing. I'm sure they are LIVID.

On a personal note, I was talking to a close family member the other day who grew up in the area and still spends time in the area, but no longer lives there. I explained the case and when I came to the part about CN being the driver, he stopped me. "He's a N__?!" Let me just say, according to this person, there's a well-known reputation.

Just my opinion and the opinion of a family member.

 

[McSpy]

Goodness. I've spent a few hours today listening to these radio shows and reading up on things...I don't know how the family is still managing. I'm sure they are LIVID.

On a personal note, I was talking to a close family member the other day who grew up in the area and still spends time in the area, but no longer lives there. I explained the case and when I came to the part about CN being the driver, he stopped me. "He's a N__?!" Let me just say, according to this person, there's a well-known reputation.

Just my opinion and the opinion of a family member.

Well, I'm not surprised. Molly's family members have received threats, which I find odd and downright suspicious. Why would anyone threaten a family member of a missing person? The families only want to find their loved ones. CN was the last one to have seen Molly and Colt. CN caused the wreck and started this drama. Who else are the Millers and Haydens going to pester for answers?

 

[Salem]

A Media/Timeline thread has been set up for this case, right here: OK OK - Molly Miller, 17, and Colt Haynes, 21, Wilson; 07 July 2013 *MEDIA THREAD* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Salem

 

[OkieGranny]

Transcript of Interview with Molly Miller's Brother and Cousins, Part 7

Listen to the interview here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolo...t-do-you-think

Key to the participants:

H: Host
GL: Molly's brother
PMF: Molly's cousin
MMS: Molly's cousin

(This is a slightly cleaned-up version, edited for readability. The raw version has been kept intact in a separate file.)

PMF: I'm sure the whole family would agree to support that. How do you guys feel about that?

GL: I'll support it.

MMMS: Absolutely.

GL: All in favor?

H: Aye. Uh, and I will start checking into the legalities of that, uh, either starting tonight or first thing in the morning, um, on having a sheriff impeached. It sounds like y'all have taken a very good first step on getting the petition. Um, now, uh, where does that petition go to?

PMF: Well, we have somebody that's been our advisor regarding that process and I don't actually know the answer to that.

H: Oh, okay. Okay, my guess would be some kind of state attorney general or something like that.

PMF: I think it is...

H: That, that would just be my guess out of the blue.

PMF: I think it is, but I didn't want to state that because I'm not positive about it.

H: Right, I'm not positive either. That would just be my guess, you know, because it wouldn't be anyone in the county because, uh, the sheriff in a county is the highest form of law enforcement. So, in Love County there is nobody in law enforcement more powerful than JR. You know, so going to Love or Carter County district attorneys, that would do you no good because you would be, you know, fighting the very person you're trying to impeach.

PMF: Right.

MMS: Did you know also JB was his son-in-law?

H: Right.

MMS: R's son-in-law?

H: And, um, there is a B family member that is on the Marietta Police Department.

MMS: Yeah, that's his daughter.

H: Oh, that's his other, okay, I wasn't sure…

MMS: Yeah.

H: I was not positive of the relation at all.

MMS: Yeah, his daughter is married to JB.

H: Oh, okay, all right, all right. Uh, and the entire point of bringing all that up, you know, is not to start a Let's Bash JR bandwagon. It is to show a train of abuses of power and flat-out criminal actions that he himself has covered up, because he can. Just simply put, he can. You know, when it comes to certain law enforcement things, he can make things go away, but what he does not realize is people are sick and tired of his nepotism. People are sick and tired of his almighty reaching arm. And I honestly think that he is having a problem with people realizing what he has done, and he does not know how to control it.

PMF: Yeah. I'm pretty sure his life is out of control right now. And I hope he's getting as little sleep as we are.

H: Well, I'd be almost positive of that because, I mean, he's got to know, you know, he doesn't have much time in his office left. And the biggest hurdle I can think of is, like I've stated before, that he is related to about 90% of that town. And I honestly think that's what has kept him in power because people wanted to vote for family. But from everything I've seen and heard, even they are tired of it.

PMF: Well, the, um, the OSBI agent who's been dealing with this case, um, I asked him one day how does JR stay in office and he said if you had as much family as he does, you would be in office too, P. So, there you go.

H: And I, and…

PMF: It's not only, it's not only (unintelligible), it's not only family members. He's got enough, uh, you know, the drug, the criminals, you know, and their kickbacks. I'm sure they are probably registered voters as well and that helps out a lot, because they don't have a criminal record because, why? Because they're in Love County. You know what I'm saying?

H: He keeps them from having a criminal record.

PMF: Pardon?

H: He keeps them from having a criminal record.

PMF: Exactly.

H: Is why they can still vote.

PMF: That's right.

H: And what does it say about a man when his best friends are criminals?

GL: Birds of a feather flock together.

H: And especially a sheriff. Especially when it comes to staying in office, you know, I mean, he's got to have somebody vote for him. Who's going to vote for him if he's so crooked? The criminals are.

PMF: Mm-hm.

GL: Yeah, and the criminal's family, they don't like to see their kids and family members stay in jail for that long for the dumb s*** they do. It's just like their nature down there, you know. It's just like first nature to them, this outlaw behavior. It's, uh, it's a game, it's a lifestyle that people like CN live for and then people like JR enable. I mean, it's just, it's ridiculous and it's, you know, it's…

H: It's absurd, is what it is.

GL: And something needs to be done.

 

[OkieGranny]

Transcript of Interview with Molly Miller's Brother and Cousins, Part 8

Listen to the interview here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolo...t-do-you-think

Key to the participants:

H: Host
GL: Molly's brother
PMF: Molly's cousin
MMS: Molly's cousin
S: Host's sidekick

(This is a slightly cleaned-up version, edited for readability. The raw version has been kept intact in a separate file.)

H: And, I mean, I know y'all have put so much effort into this. I mean, y'all obviously have. Anybody that's followed this for any length of time knows good and well the effort and everything you have put into this, you know, to bring your loved one home. Um, I keep going, taking my mind back to getting JR out of the case. Because I'm sure removing him from office, that will be a bigger battle. Um, but with FBI and OSBI, there's nothing, I don't, the only thing I could see him covering up, uh, you know, covering up on that aspect is evidence, and there is already evidence of him doing that. Such as when they found the car, it, it was, uh, after the chase, after the car was found, what, was it two weeks later? The car had been completely wiped clean of any prints or any evidence.

PMF: Now, listen, I, I want to clear that up. We do not know that it was wiped clean. We, I mean, for a fact, we do not know that car was wiped clean. But what we do know is, when we questioned, uh, I believe it was Lone Grove Police Department, because those, the car was reported stolen through Lone Grove. We do know that they claimed there was no fingerprints in that car. That's what we do know. They, when we asked if there was fingerprints in the car, they said no. But they claimed it was because it had sat out in the elements for two weeks. But there's no DNA, there's no fingerprints, there's no nothing. It's all gone. But&#8230;

H: All right, all right.

PMF: &#8230; no. That's what they claim.

H: That's what they...

S: Well, let, let me interject something here, and this is S again. I used to be a cop, and that's a lie. Uh...

PMF: I know, but&#8230;

S: Fingerprints will be fingerprints for a long time. I don't care. Now if the car was underwater, that's a different story, but if it's out in the open, uh, the fingerprints would be there, if there were any to start with.

PMF: Yeah.

GL: Well, they told us that fingerprints are moisture and moisture evaporates.

S: No, I'm sorry. Uh, fingerprints are the oil from a, from a person. It's not water.

PMF: Right.

S: You know, you leave some, like you go up to a chalkboard and put your hand on a chalkboard, it's slimy, and that's not because of the water in your hand. That's because of the oil that leaks out. You know, so, if they said there's no fingerprints because it was out in the elements for two weeks, that is a lie.

PMF: We figured it was, and that car, uh, um&#8230;.

MMS: Well, they, they didn't take proper procedures from the very beginning, in that you don't tow a car whenever there's, it's a case of two missing kids involved. You don't tow it.

PMF: The car was found and removed off the property within two hours of finding it. They found it within an hour of us, uh, starting a search. They found it...

GL: The first search, the first search&#8230;

PMF: Mm-hm.

GL: The first search that we decided to go down there, they got the word and, like, they knew they needed to get busy, and they re-looked and they just happened to, you know. How close were y'all to finding it? I mean...

PMF: Uh, we were close.

GL: Y'all were what? Three hundred yards away from it?

PMF: Um, I don't know that. But I know we would've found the car had that deputy not found it when he did.

GL: Yeah, y'all were like, like, the way he explained it, was like (unintelligible) Road. I mean, y'all were headed that, I mean&#8230;

MMS: Yeah, we were within a half, not even a half a mile.

PMF: And they called us on the phone after they found the car. We were on the ranch looking, uh, doing a search, and they called us within an hour of us being on that property and told us that the car was found. And, um, that car was&#8230; Before we could get back off the property, that car was towed and removed. And it was moved to... M, am I correct in saying it was towed to WR's salvage yard?

MMS: Yeah.

PMF: Okay. It was towed to WR's salvage yard.

H: Really?

PMF: Yeah.

H: I, I, I, I'm in, I'm in shock over that. I really am.

PMF: Well, so we've got two missing people, we've got the last place they were known to be in and that is that car. Let's hurry up and get it out of here before that family gets off this property and can see it. We were also told that car was not wrecked. There was fourteen thousand dollars worth of damage done to that car and it was totalled by the insurance company.

H: Hm.

S: Well, you know&#8230;

H: Now...

S: This is, this is insane on this whole thing. Um, you know, like [H] said a little while ago, the sheriff's department is the number one top dog in that county. Uh, he could be telling the FBI not to look at this, because that is his constitutional right. But the problem is, that doesn't go into effect if the sheriff has problems, and it sounds like he does. Uh, so, you know, to me, if the number one top dog hammerhead, as he seems to be, is having these issues, then another agency has to take over because that is also in the Constitution. So, you know, I don't know if the FBI is looking into this, but they should be. Because that's what the FBI was originally formed as, was locating missing people. And, you know, so, I'm, has anybody talked to the FBI at all?

PMF: Yes, we have.

S: Okay. Are, are they looking into it?

PMF: Um, at this point, we're not, um, 100% sure that they have taken the case. We, we have not been advised of that. They&#8230;

S: Okay, well, I&#8230;

PMF: &#8230; they listen but that's all they&#8230;

S: Well, i'd call, I'd call them once a day until they do something. Um, because, just letting it, letting it slide, you know, if you don't know, you really need to know. Because it's your family that's in problems here and, you know, the FBI should be all over this thing, and they should be at your house all the time, because&#8230;

PMF: Yeah.

S: &#8230; evidently, the sheriff&#8230; You know, this sounds like, uh, the Barney Fife/Andy Taylor type police department. That's what it sounds like to me.

PMF: It is.

 

[OkieGranny]

Transcript of Interview with Molly Miller's Brother and Cousins, Part 9

Listen to the interview here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolo...t-do-you-think

Key to the participants:

H: Host
GL: Molly's brother
PMF: Molly's cousin
MMS: Molly's cousin
S: Host's sidekick

(This is a slightly cleaned-up version, edited for readability. The raw version has been kept intact in a separate file.)

S: You know, like I said, I used to be a cop, and when somebody said their family's missing, I would, and if it came across my desk, well, I was all over that thing until it was fixed. And I didn't care whose fingers and toes that I stomped on, you know, because I was a state trooper for a while. And if the sheriff says no, you know, and you have a feeling that something is wrong, well, it doesn't matter what the sheriff said. It doesn't matter. And so we had to step on a lot of toes of sheriffs in my short term as a cop. And when you come across sheriffs like this across this country, people think, oh, you know, that we don't have those problems anymore. Well, yes, you do. Especially in the Midwest. And, you know, that's what this all sounds like. There's still people within the FBI that will get into this. And, like I said, you need to be calling these people two times a day, what have you found out? You know, because nothing is happening. If the state people…

PMF: Mm-hm.

S: … won't do it, the state police aren't doing it, well, then the next step is the FBI. So, you know, and you want to impeach the guy, that has to go through your county first. But, from what it sounds like, the state attorney general has to step in. You know, so, this is, this is quite bizarre.

H: Uh, something I was wanting to come back right quick to because I think BlogTalk Radio is about to cut us off here in about twenty minutes. I think we get an hour on it of archive time?

S: Right, right.

H: But something I wanted to get back to was the car. That you, uh, it's stated that that car was reported stolen. But that car, uh, is it accurate that that car was registered to, uh, C's girlfriend?

MMS: Yep.

PMF: Yes.

H: Okay, was that car reported stolen before or after the chase?

PMF: After. 6:30 the next morning.

H: 6:30 the next morning it had been reported stolen.

MMS: Yep.

H: Uh, now, there, was an account saying that, you know, there was no confirmation that C (unintelligible). From what I understand, that there was plenty of confirmation and proof that C was behind the wheel. Is there?

PMF: Well, I'll, I'll put it this way. We do have a statement to that effect, but I'll also tell you this. On September the 10th when we had a meeting with all law enforcement, uh, agencies that are involved in this, um, I asked JR why he called off the police chase. And he, his words were, I told Number Five to block off Long Hollow Road because that's where he always goes. So that was confirmation enough for me to know that that was CN driving that car. Number Five did not block off Long Hollow Road. He went on down Oswalt Road toward the car, the direction the car was coming from, and they almost hit him head on. He had to ditch his car. So…

H: Wow.

PMF: … um, he did have, he made contact with the car. Now, dusted out, I'm not sure that that's the case because, by the time he got turned around and got turned around to heading back toward the car, they were already down Long Hollow Road. He did see the dust up, but dusted out, I don't think that was the case. I just don't. I just think they drove down to the end of the road, didn't see the car anymore, left and went home. That's my personal opinion.

H: Right.

PMF: I don't know for a fact that's how it went, but we know they did not get the car. We also know that JR did not defend them when we asked him those questions in the meeting. You know, they know his MO. They know what he's going to do. They just let him do it.

H: And I think R's, uh, response, to block off Long Hollow Road, that's where he always goes, that should be proof enough to know, uh, to say that R knew exactly who he was dealing with.

MMS: Yes.

PMF: Yeah, he said C is a loose cannon.

H: Wow.

PMF: Hello?

H: Yeah, I'm, I'm here. I was, I was trying to think of a way to, uh, I'm trying to select my words carefully on this. Um, so, so after… I really don't know how to ask the question. Um, after the chase, there was a call from Molly that she had, uh, had she gotten away from C or was she still with him? She was alone?

PMF: We don't know that.

H: Oh, okay, you don't know that, okay. Um, is there any additional information that you want to, or, or that you can or want to be able to get out there? Is there any additional information that I did not cover that y'all were wanting to get out there?

PMF: I don't believe I do.

MMS: I just want to say something. You know, if C and the family didn't have nothing to hide on their land, they would be cooperative and want to get their name clear, and not lawyer up. If you're not guilty, you wouldn't lawyer up and you, you would let us search the land and want to clear your name. You're guilty otherwise.

H: You want to keep, uh, cops away as far as you can.

MMS: Exactly.

H: Um, well, has there been any lie detector tests or anything like that administered? I know there was questioning, you know, as, as he's lawyered up, uh, but was there any type of lie detector test, any forensics that were collected or anything like that?

PMF: No.

H: All right.

MMS: Nothing's been done.

PMF: He's never even been called in for questioning, much less a, a lie detector test. No.

H: Okay, okay, I was, I was under the understanding that he had been called in a couple of times for questioning.

PMF: No.

MMS: No.

 

[OkieGranny]

PMF: And they called us on the phone after they found the car. We were on the ranch looking, uh, doing a search, and they called us within an hour of us being on that property and told us that the car was found. And, um, that car was&#8230; Before we could get back off the property, that car was towed and removed. And it was moved to... M, am I correct in saying it was towed to WR's salvage yard?

MMS: Yeah.

PMF: Okay. It was towed to WR's salvage yard.

H: Really?

PMF: Yeah.

H: I, I, I, I'm in, I'm in shock over that. I really am.

Just wanted to point out that the salvage yard owner has the same name as the sheriff's son, so I'm assuming it's the same person. Let that sink in.

So, apparently, we have a car wrecked by the sheriff's cousin and towed to the salvage yard of the sheriff's son before Molly's family members, who were close by, could arrive on the scene.

 

[McSpy]

Just wanted to point out that the salvage yard owner has the same name as the sheriff's son, so I'm assuming it's the same person. Let that sink in.

So, apparently, we have a car wrecked by the sheriff's cousin and towed to the salvage yard of the sheriff's son before Molly's family members, who were close by, could arrive on the scene.

Thanks for all your hard work! Lots to digest here!

 

[reedus23]

If this were a court case and instead of a sheriff it was a Judge, the Judge would have removed himself from the case long ago. Even if there is no impropriety, it removes the appearance of it. This sheriff should have handed off the case from the get go. Because he hasn't, I question if this case will ever be resolved until him and his office are completely taken out of the loop.

 

[windstorm]

If this were a court case and instead of a sheriff it was a Judge, the Judge would have removed himself from the case long ago. Even if there is no impropriety, it removes the appearance of it. This sheriff should have handed off the case from the get go. Because he hasn't, I question if this case will ever be resolved until him and his office are completely taken out of the loop.

Not only that, but if this were a judge with a connection to either party, you could actually request a change of judge and it would be granted.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven!

 

[OkieGranny]

Transcript of Interview with Molly Miller's Brother and Cousins, Part 10

Listen to the interview here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolo...t-do-you-think

Key to the participants:

H: Host
GL: Molly's brother
PMF: Molly's cousin
MMS: Molly's cousin
S: Host's sidekick
WP: A man offering search help and some very good advice

(This is a slightly cleaned-up version, edited for readability. The raw version has been kept intact in a separate file.)

PMF: Since they went to his house, uh, the OSBI agent went to his house and tried to talk to him, and C said talk to my lawyer. And that was the last they did of the, that's it. But he has not been questioned. There is…

MMS: We did a...

PMF: … no statement on record from CN, period.

H: Hm.

MMS: The only one is from the one we did.

H: Right.

PMF: Exactly.

H: And I, and I read about that and that, that was wonderful, what y'all did. Um, G, are you still there?

GL: I'm here.

H: Is, is there anything you, um, I'm not trying to cut y'all short, but the website is about to cut us short. Um, was there anything that you were wanting to add?

GL: I just, I don't want, I don't want Molly to be forgotten. I feel like that that what's we're being asked to do and that's just not going to happen. And I just…

PMF: Amen.

GL: I just want her to know I love her. I mean, you know, we all love her. You know, I think she knows that, there's no doubt about that but… I just want people to see what our family's going through and get behind us and all, because we're real people and this is, we've, this is a nightmare.

H: That's right.

GL: And, the more people to know that, that's what it's going to take, I think, because… It just makes my blood boil when I think about it and talk about it. It just, just… I'm not really good with words right now. I don't know what it is about tonight and all this happening so out of nowhere, but I want to say thank you for letting, you know, us, listening to us and taking us…

H: Any time.

GL: … asking us questions and I'm real, I'm thankful and…

H: Any, any time. Well, I, I…

S: Uh, there's someone that, that wants to talk to you guys. Uh, he's WP and he needs to offer you some things. Some I'm going to bring him on. We've got maybe seven minutes left here. Uh, WP, are you there?

WP: Yeah, I'm here.

S: Okay, um, I got a message from [not a party to the interview], um, said you have something to offer these people.

WP: Well, I live in Locust Grove, um, just north of you guys.

PMF: Uh-huh?

WP: Uh, I will offer my services, uh, to help you search, and I will also bring along my dog to help with the search. I've been training him for, um, for search.

MMS: That's great.

PMF: That is great. And, as soon as we're able to get on that property, we may, um, be needing your services.

WP: Yep, I'd be more than happy to help. Um, like I said, I live, I live just north of you guys. Um, I live in Mayes County and, uh, it's… From what I've been hearing, there's a lot of stuff that's going on with that sheriff that shouldn't be going on. He should have recused himself as soon as a family member's name was brought up. He should have recused himself from the investigation and let the state handle it.

PMF: Well, he should have, but, uh, we've been told, when we told, when we said this is a conflict of interest, they said it's not considered a conflict of interest because he is the sheriff and he's an elected official, so therefore he does not have to be removed off this case.

WP: Well, actually…

PMF: That's what I was told.

WP: ... he does.

PMF: That's what I was told.

WP: Actually he does.

S: Yes, he does.

WP: He needs to be removed from the case and he should have voluntarily recused himself because it's a family member. All right?

PMF: Right.

WP: It's the same with a judge or a district attorney. If they, if a family member of theirs comes on, they are not allowed to work on the case. But, um, so the point is, get ahold of the city commissioner's office. Get ahold of the state association of sheriffs, all right? And get hold of their ethics office and bring that up to them.

PMF: Okay.

WP: And a, a good thing to do would be to throw your support behind whoever runs against him in the next election. If, even if he doesn't get impeached, bring up the paperwork that shows that you tried to get him impeached. All right? Because that…

PMF: But he's not running. He's not running.

WP: He's not running?

PMF: No, he is not. Matter of fact, he's only got a few years left and he only has to serve out half of his term on this, um, in this term, and he can put somebody in his place. He can, um, I don't, I don't know the, appoint somebody to, uh, take his place. But he is planning on, from my understanding, only serving half of his term and then appointing somebody to, to, to the rest of his term. And he is not…

WP: Okay.

PMF: … running for reelection. And he...

WP: Okay, you don't want that either, okay?

PMF: No.

 

[OkieGranny]

Transcript of Interview with Molly Miller's Brother and Cousins, Part 11

Listen to the interview here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newcolo...t-do-you-think

Key to the participants:

H: Host
GL: Molly's brother
PMF: Molly's cousin
MMS: Molly's cousin
S: Host's sidekick
WP: A man offering search help and some very good advice

(This is a slightly cleaned-up version, edited for readability. The raw version has been kept intact in a separate file.)

WP: You don't want him to, to leave of his own free will. All right? You want him to leave being either under question or under suspicion for a criminal charge, okay? Because in Oklahoma, you're allowed to carry your weapon and carry a weapon as a police officer if you retire in good standing, okay? Or if you leave in good standing. Um, that's, that's a federal law. That's not just Oklahoma; that's a federal law. Uh, but, if, if he has the charge pending, he will lose that ability to carry and he will lose his ability to own the weapons after the fact. Until, until he's cleared up. If it is ever cleared up and, if he is convicted, he will lose it permanently. Um...

S: Well, that's what I was trying to get at before, um, because he cannot be part of this investigation. And I don't live in Oklahoma so I really don't know the process. But what WP told you is exactly what you have to do. You have to get somebody else in there that's going to run the show. Because currently the people running the show, they don't want anybody to know the truth. So, you know, what WP said is, is exactly correct. He lives in Oklahoma, he knows how to do it. So that, that's what you need to do. Um, because the people you're talking to now aren't helping you. So you have to go to the next step.

WP: Another piece, another piece of important information, because I know we, we don't have much time here. Um, if you make a formal request to the Federal Bureau of Investigation in writing, get a lawyer to write it up, make a formal request that they be involved in this investigation, the sheriff can't say anything, okay?

PMF: Okay.

WP: They cannot say anything if you make a formal request. Okay?

PMF: Okay.

WP: But you have to, you have to get, make a formal request for the OSBI and for the FBI to, to become involved in the case. In writing.

PMF: The OSBI?

WP: Yeah…

PMF: You said the O… ?

WP: OSBI.

PMF: Okay.

WP: OSBI and the FBI.

PMF: Okay. Well, the OSBI has not been, uh, very cooperative in the whole situation. I don't know…

MMS: (unintelligible) out of Oklahoma City. (unintelligible) Oklahoma City.

PMF: Well, yeah, but, no, at this point we have DS with the Ardmore, um, OSBI, um, assisting Wilson PD on the case. And, um, you know, we found, M and I found, um, a burning hole that had been burning two weeks, for over two weeks. Um, it was about a ten-foot hole from what I understand, and we requested, I called RH with the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. He contacted the OSBI to come out there. OSBI came out there. He, but long story short, this was about a nine-hour day, okay? Um, long story short, he showed up about five hours after I was there, back on the scene because he wouldn't show up. So I went to his office, I left a message for him to, and told him where I would be. And he showed up about five hours later. And he, um, he took samples out of this burning hole with, uh, a Mountain Dew can that he cut in half and tied to the end of a metal pole. And then he took a backhoe, dug a four by four foot in diameter hole and then filled it back in. So there's nothing there. That, it looks like there was nothing ever there now, because it's all filled in.

WP: That's (unintelligible).

PMF: He dug up the hole that had possibly been burning and been, I'm not going to even say what I think it was, or possibly could have been, but you know what I'm saying?

WP: Yes. Keep your, keep your personal opinions out.

PMF: When he, he showed up on the scene, he told me to leave. He told me to leave. And I asked him why? And he said because this is my crime scene now. So I got in my truck and I drove around to the other side of the bushes and I watched, you know? But I couldn't see them because they were inside the woods but, anyway, I didn't, I didn't leave the property. We were the ones who found that. We deserved to be there, you know? Um, as I've said before, we've done, that fire had gone on two weeks. They knew about it, but nobody had been down there to check it out. And it was just, it was just several hundred feet from the N property. So my point is, I don't feel like I've had any help where the OSBI is concerned. They continuously say, we're assisting.

WP: Then, then make a formal request in writing to OSBI and the FBI. Make sure OSBI knows that you're sending a copy of what you're writing to the FBI, okay?

PMF: Okay.

WP: Because the last thing any state, the last thing any state police force wants have to have come in and second-guess their work is the FBI. Okay?

PMF: Okay.

WP: Nobody wants any federal officials in their business, whether it's people on the street or whether it's government officials and police officers. They do not want the FBI in their business. And if you make a formal request, as is your right, you can get them involved, and the local police departments will not be able to say anything. Okay?

MMS: Also, I need to add something. JR asked if the hole was hot enough to burn a body. Now, if he didn't think something might not have been, they didn't take the right procedures to go about that. Even from the OSBI, you, you don't, he didn't go with the proper procedures to take that evidence, to work that crime scene right. So there's, there's a lot of not trust in that situation.

WP: Absolutely. They've totally mishandled everything. And…

MMS: Yes.

WP: … as far as the fingerprints go that were found on the car, all right? I'll tell you flat out and I'm going to put it in plain English. The man is full of s***. They have pulled fingerprints off of submerged weapons, off of, uh, brass casings, because of the oils that are involved, okay? They've pulled submerged vehicles that have been underwater, and they've pulled fingerprints out of, inside the trunk of that vehicle years later, okay? So, for him to say that it's been out in the elements for two weeks and there's...

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And the podcast ended right there.

 

[StacyMarie83]

After reading about the love triangle from the past between Colt, CN and his (ex?) girlfriend, there may have been some underlying resentment. This could have blown up after the wreck. In otherwords, CN didn't hold back. Since Colt was injured, CN was in worst trouble than if there were no injuries. I do think they were all partying too. So, as we all know, stupid or evil things can happen during that kind of scenario.

This is kind of my theory as well---and I would say molly threw herself in some way by trying to stop something, break something up, etc OR Molly was in fact hurt/killed in the accident and colt and the driver got into over that.