OK - Terence Crutcher, 40, fatally shot by Tulsa PD officer, 16 Sept 2016

[Tawny]

Yeah, no. This case has kind of settled down here in Tulsa. Our Chief of police, Mayor, community leaders, all just handled this better, IMO than how Charlotte officials handled the killing of Mr. Scott. Mr. Crutcher's family never denied that PCP was found in the car, but the Chief didn't immediately announce it to the media, either.

I said in another post it doesn't matter if he had a kilo of cocaine in his car. Totally irrelevant. If the cops were looking for a car with a kilo of cocaine, no way they would have killed him. He would have been too valuable.

If you read the affidavit, the Tulsa DA declared that officer Betty Shelby was escalating the situation and becoming too emotionally involved to the point where she was overreacting. She stated herself that she was in fear of her life, even though she had a loaded weapon, along with three other cops surrounding her and her husband in a helicopter above her. She is being held accountable for blowing this man away because she overreacted.

I think anyone who is comfortable with watching video after video of black men (or anyone, really) being killed by cops in these bizarre situations when it can be avoided should seriously examine why they are comfortable with this, and why they think it is justified.

Well it was CITIZENS calling in saying he was high , and he Parked his car in the road bc he was tripping he wasn't a " disabled motorist "
And that's why he did not stop like a normal person so he would not get sent back to the pen for discovery of his dope .

If he stayed CLEAN right after being paroled none of this would have happened . But keep defending drug dealers

This is the BS I'm talking about that gets everyone angry. The video shows clearly NO OFFICER was in danger for their life and a man is dead because of the officer's overreaction (as backed up by, like, everyone), and yet here you sit blaming the dead man for that. Unfreakingbelievable.

Protests (and from the angrier crowd, riots) happen because we can't let a dead man rest in peace after the fact, when even the department takes responsibility.

 

[ZooSleuth]

Seriously? Wow.

No, it was sarcasm.

 

[human]

Too bad he had PCP in his car. He should have had something like Dom Perignon or Cristal champagne. What was it that Rush Limbaugh had? Oxycontin? These black need to be using the socially acceptable drugs. Duh!!!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Champagne is not illegal last I checked. And you don't get 9 years jail time for it.

But you are right, champagne is a lot more socially acceptable than PCP.

 

[Tawny]

The PCP is irrelevant to what happened to this man. EVEN IF he was high on PCP, he posed no threat to officers, as confirmed by the department. Talking about it this way is a way to make us feel better about a big bad drug user being off the street. JMO.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

No, talking about it is natural IMO and may show why she was scared. She was trained to recognize when someone was high. She recognized it.

She has been charged. But she is innocent until proven guilty. And as far as I know, we can discuss the case.

IMO the PCP had a bearing on what happened.

JMO

 

[Tawny]

No, talking about it is natural IMO and may show why she was scared. She was trained to recognize when someone was high. She recognized it.

She has been charged. But she is innocent until proven guilty. And as far as I know, we can discuss the case.

IMO the PCP had a bearing on what happened.

JMO

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...overreacted-by-shooting-terence-crutcher.html

"became “emotionally involved to the point that she overreacted,” investigators said in an affidavit Thursday."

We are trying to justify her unjustifiable actions.

 

[Tawny]

"On Monday, Chief Jordan had dismissed the idea that Crutcher had a weapon, saying, "I'm going to tell you right here and now: There was no gun on the suspect or in the suspect's vehicle."

"but we'll note that when NPR's David Greene asked Tulsa Mayor Dewey Bartlett if the discovery of an illegal hallucinogen was relevant to the case, the mayor replied, "No, it isn't," and said the police had already mentioned the discovery to Crutcher's family."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ace-manslaughter-charge-in-unarmed-mans-death

 

[Kimberlyd125]

No. We are discussing the case!
You don't think his PCP use and possession will come up during her trial?

 

[Tawny]

No. We are discussing the case!
You don't think his PCP use and possession will come up during her trial?

I'm sure it will and it will hopefully be dismissed as it's not relevant. Investigators, the department, and the mayor agree he was not posing a threat, so the presence of PCP makes no difference. JMO.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

We both know it will.
So why is discussing it not relevant?

 

[Tawny]

We both know it will.
So why is discussing it not relevant?

I haven't told anyone not to discuss it, I've simply posted my opinion on the topic.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Ok.
My point to you is...
Saying "We are trying to justify her unjustifiable actions" because we are discussing it is not correct.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

IMO it will be a huge part of the case. It may be found to be irrelevant. It may not.

But the fact of the matter is, she observed him acting in a manner that told her (because she's trained to detect it) that he was on PCP. She was correct in her observation it seems.
So, that may or may not be relevant to her defense.
We will have to wait and see.

 

[Tawny]

Ok.
My point to you is...
Saying "We are trying to justify her unjustifiable actions" because we are discussing it is not correct.

Sure. It's just my opinion. No worries.

 

[Trident]

The PCP is irrelevant to what happened to this man. EVEN IF he was high on PCP, he posed no threat to officers, as confirmed by the department. Talking about it this way is a way to make us feel better about a big bad drug user being off the street. JMO.

I feel better that a drug user is off the street. Sorry.

 

[Tawny]

I feel better that a drug user is off the street. Sorry.

Do you feel the shooting was justified by his (as of yet unconfirmed by toxicology) drug use? I'm just curious, I won't be angry if you feel you don't want to answer.

 

[Trident]

I'm still thinking about it. I know quite a lot about druggies, sadly, and I've seen the damage they can do.

 

[human]

I feel better that a drug user is off the street. Sorry.

The worst drug of all is alcohol. It causes irreversible birth defects, family dysfunction, and death or madness to the user. I wish it was off of the streets

 

[Trident]

The worst drug of all is alcohol. It causes irreversible birth defects, family dysfunction, and death or madness to the user. I wish it was off of the streets

And drugs don't? The youngster my daughter went to the senior prom with is locked up in an asylum - LSD. A relative of mine lost EVERYTHING because of crack. Another one is in the process of losing EVERYTHING, even the kids. An acquaintance lost his son, high on crack, who wouldn't drop the stolen TV. Bang, deader than a door nail. One less druggie. Sorry, but I've been robbed, and seen the dark side. My sympathy quotient has run dry.