OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #3 *Arrests*

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Unless there's a police report detailing what happened, we really don't know what was said/exchanged completely. I have no idea how many times cops were called out due to circumstances like this but until we know the context of this particular situation, if anyone knows or has the report I just thought it was more likely something said snidely than them giving TA the power to think she was above the law imo. I don't even know if TA heard this remark but it wouldn't have mattered unfortunately. She already was scheming this sick plan.
Given WR's background, it's possible he was noticeably impaired and legally should not be driving. Seems that would be a big influence as LE really would then have to arrest WR not just for DUI, but child endangerment. Just speculation, of course, on another possible reason for LEO perhaps appearing to be unfairly on the side of TA.
 
Interesting on this after reading again……. if I understand, (in third paragraph on page 2), TA’s son is indicating in his statement to officials that his grandmother is not truthful in one of her statements to authorities and he is denying that a conversation she described had occurred??!! SMH.

I imagine the police and investigators have been working hard to separate the wheat and chaff from all of these individuals? MOO
 
Interesting on this after reading again……. if I understand, (in third paragraph on page 2), TA’s son is indicating in his statement to officials that his grandmother is not truthful in one of her statements to authorities and he is denying that a conversation she described had occurred??!! SMH.

I imagine the police and investigators have been working hard to separate the wheat and chaff from all of these individuals? MOO
He’d lie to protect both himself and his mom, as he’s alleged to have made a damning statement to his grandmother.

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A bunch of geniuses
unreal
Because they are the most inept, incompetent murderers in recent history (JMO).
But wait, there is more....

Evidently, the "Crew" was not all family to the matriarch gone bad.

In short, I can see family mixing not being very bright with being under the direct influence of the matriarch, having an emotional stake in the dispute as extended family, and...personally loathing VB.

Thus, when presented with the "need" and the "solution", they give a knee jerk agreement and participate.

But, not all the Crew was family? You would think that non family, even if not very bright, would have looked at the "plan" and said: "Whoooah, wait a minute....." -or- "Just count me out- waaay out."
 
How in the heck does a hammer break? And why would they leave it?
If not from excessive force (which I don't think happened here), it can happen if the head flies off the wooden handle because of age or cheap construction. I had a hammer in a tool set given as a gift whose metal handle bent after, well, I can't remember, but it wasn't long in use. As to why they left it, they're not the...sharpest tools in the shed.
 
Possible Burial location. IMO There is no implication of this individual being involved but is only for location purposes.
I have been looking at the Property in Texas Co OK that has been disclosed and find that "he" owns property in section 8, TWP 3N Range 10E and it is about 8.6 miles from the car location and there are a couple ponds according to Google Earth and Acre Value. Pond is in SE 1/4 of section 8


This location is 8.62 miles SW of the abandoned car. (5.4 mi west and 6.8 mi south of the abandoned car)
JMO and Suppositions.
 
I agree. And not just Jim Jones, we've seen many variations, the latest, IMO, Jodi Huisenfrut.

BTW, the so-called church of God's Misfits that comes up in google appears to be a lone guy called Squirrel who's posted for years on social media...not really a church. (Though the beard is similar). IMO this group that met in the Tw's home is just using the same name.

First, create a sense of 'unless we take action, we're doomed, it's us against them' I'm thinking politics may have been creating momentum that way.

Perhaps a cult of TA's personality...some kind of mind control techniques, devotion to her as their leader, stoked by anxiety about upcoming election, need to practise striking out...

Especially the part about Cora sharing the details with her daughter - IMO, she just didn't see anything wrong in what they'd done. She never expected her daughter might disagree.

JMO
Or that DD might have a mind of her own, capable of making independent decisions.
 
Wow.
I’ve been at a casino hotel the last two days and you know how there is no news there, except for sports, so gamblers aren’t distracted by real life.

I’ve tried to catch up but I am sure I missed many posts. I just want to chime in and thank those who posted the affidavit.

What a hideous premeditated plan.

A fake Christian woman kills not only her grandchildrens’ mother, but also murders a true Christian woman. It seems as if JK was selected because she was safe, trustworthy, responsible and diligent.

I had supposed she was collateral damage and so there would not be a witness, but I see from the affidavit that TA blamed JK as well, just because she was supervising.

All these motherless children. :(
And how tough for CW for doing the right thing and telling the truth about her own mother’s involvement…she’s a minor, I don’t remember if I read who will take care of her now?

Likes and loves for all the great posts that I had to skim through….

:) :) :) :) :)
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
 
Firearm Laws. Oklahoma & Kansas.
Oklahoma is a constitutional carry state. No license or permit needed to carry a loaded firearm..I’ll say MOO as I can’t find a msm link, but here is a law office link.
@Pyrite Thanks for your post w link.

More info re handgun laws.

OKLAHOMA handgun laws, answers to Q's below are NO.
State permit required to purchase?
Firearm registration?
Owner license required?
Permit required for concealed carry?
Permit required for open carry?
^ per Gun laws in Oklahoma - Wikipedia
Has links to OK statutes for more info.

KANSAS handgun laws, answers are also NO.
^ per Gun laws in Kansas - Wikipedia
Has links to KS statutes for more info.
 
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All these motherless children. :(
And how tough for CW for doing the right thing and telling the truth about her own mother’s involvement…she’s a minor, I don’t remember if I read who will take care of her now?
Snipped by me for focus. CW's father is named in one of the affidavits and is not CT. My hope is he's an upstanding person who will help those kids try to heal. They've lost their mother too. And no telling what they've seen or heard aside from this case.
Edited to clarify: CW's father was ONLY named as her father, not as any kind of accomplice. I just realized I don't want to confuse anyone who hasn't read the affidavits.
 
Or that DD might have a mind of her own, capable of making independent decisions.
I really hand it to her. Growing up in that environment, the influences, her mother, etc., she really has developed her own sense of morality. No doubt she is intelligent and self aware. She will go far, I wish her the best.
 
I think she will also be a danger to the Twombley daughter and anyone else she perceives as slighting her, even in prison. The others need life without parole.
Not sure about that. The others assumably had plenty of opportunities to squash this idea and go to LE. They participated in the murder of 2 women! I say death for all.
 
Affidavits also reveal that Cora and Cole turned up and tried to get access to CW while she was being interviewed by authorities, Cole with a gun in holster.

Would she have gone to LE without them knowing and presumably an adult accompanied her?
 
Affidavits also reveal that Cora and Cole turned up and tried to get access to CW while she was being interviewed by authorities, Cole with a gun in holster.

Would she have gone to LE without them knowing and presumably an adult accompanied her?
If we did not know about VB and JK, seeing someone "open carry" in Oklahoma would probably not raise a lot of eyebrows.
 
Affidavits also reveal that Cora and Cole turned up and tried to get access to CW while she was being interviewed by authorities, Cole with a gun in holster.

Would she have gone to LE without them knowing and presumably an adult accompanied her?
The affidavit states that she was questioned over the border in TX, so probably at the home of her father or another family member. Smart of her to make sure she was away from C&C before saying anything, for her own safety.
 
Affidavits also reveal that Cora and Cole turned up and tried to get access to CW while she was being interviewed by authorities, Cole with a gun in holster.

Would she have gone to LE without them knowing and presumably an adult accompanied her?
Dear Lord, I hope CW didn't go home after the interview. Do we know?
eta, just saw the above post. thank heavens. and more smartness from the young lady.
 
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