OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #3 *Arrests*

[nhmemorymaker]

I think she was front and center and then confessed to cut an early bird deal.

This is what I believe as well.
She had lots of time to think about this as LE got closer and closer.
In the end, she is STILL only going to do what Tifany wants for Tifany.

My guess is that she is banking on Life instead of DP.

 

[Trino]

Back to the topic of how many marriages TA has had. Some have said 4 or 5. The question is: are these former spouses alive? If not, did they die of natural causes, an accident, or suicide? How about homicide or "undetermined" or "pending"?

From Wikipedia: "The [causes of death] classifications are natural, accidental, suicide, homicide, undetermined, and pending. Only medical examiner's and coroners may use all of the manners of death. Other certifiers must use natural or refer the death to the medical examiner. The manner of death is determined by the medical examiner."

CDC - Stats for Oklahoma

I hope the authorities are thoroughly checking into her past.

Wikipedia says the U.S. has had 68 female serial killers. 69?

 

[Gae]

Doing a compare/contrast of TA's and CT's Facebook and Pinterest accounts is interesting - especially their Pinterest accounts. TA comes across as "I am woman hear me roar" personality. OTOH, CT doesn't - especially looking at her interests and inspirational quotes on Pinterest. I have the feeling (and could be totally wrong) that CT wasn't involved in the planning and execution of these murders - but found out afterward - possibly helped in trying to cover it up? It will be interesting to see how much she played a part in this.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I really don't think TA was that worried about keeping up appearances in terms of making it look like she was bringing the kids to the visit. She knew Veronica and Jilian were going to die that morning and therefore would never be able to tell anyone she wasn't waiting at Four Corners. I really don't think she expected OSBI or the FBI to become involved in the case. I think she imagined herself telling the local sheriff she had no idea what had become of the women and that would be that, as delusional as that is. She didn't see Veronica or Jilian as human beings of any importance; Veronica was just an obstacle to her getting to keep her grandchildren as she felt entitled to do and Jilian was just collateral damage. She must have been shocked when the story went global right away. I really don't think she expected it to be more than a curious disappearance on the local news that quickly faded into obscurity and became yet another Oklahoma unsolved cold case.

We will probably be diagnosing TA's visions of grandeur ...forever. I suspect we will even see that hard core narcissistic behavior with statements and / or court outbursts for us down the road!

But I am reminded of how evil narcissists work with the LE videos of Lori Vallow sitting on her curb in Arizona as she and her brother had just murdered her husband.....
Some people are just performance specialists...

 

[Knitty]

MOD NOTE: I'm seeing some discussion about sovereign citizens being related to this case, but I have seen not one link. Links are REQUIRED at Websleuths, otherwise anybody can just post anything they want and call it fact, and next thing you know the New York Post is using Websleuths as a source. Snipped from Social Media Rules linked under this post:

"Individuals
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• If a social media page is set to private and you get in the back way, you may not post what you find. Private means private!"

 

[TheMom77]

I see both of the Twombly FB pages are now gone.

 

[CuriousCricket]

This is what I believe as well.
She had lots of time to think about this as LE got closer and closer.
In the end, she is STILL only going to do what Tifany wants for Tifany.

My guess is that she is banking on Life instead of DP.

I would hope LE worked backward up the chain of command among the four arrested, leaving questioning TA for last. That way, they had more ammo to throw at her.

Or perhaps the 4 were questioned at the same time, with the investigators meeting in the hallways (visible to those being grilled, and exchanging notes. Then the interviewers would return to their perp with new info, wearing them down, making them mis-trust each other.

 

[GRT]

I see both of the Twombly FB pages are now gone.

I'm still able to pull both up/

Cora Twombly

Cora Twombly is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Cora Twombly and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected.

www.facebook.com

Cole Twombly

Cole Twombly is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Cole Twombly and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected.

www.facebook.com

 

[Gae]

I see both of the Twombly FB pages are now gone.

I still see hers.

 

[Tabulator]

I can’t help but think about what WR is thinking right now. IF, he was unaware of what his mother had been planning, it has got to be nearly unbearable being forced to stay in rehab with no communication with the outside world as all of this unfolds. Not saying I’m necessarily sympathetic toward him just interested in his mindset right now.

Hopefully, we will learn more about the four arrested and charged later today. I, personally, want to give WR every presumption of innocence until more information is released. I realize he wasn't given a choice about attending rehab, but it is extremely important that he works on bettering himself while he is in there - to become a more responsible man and, as importantly, to become a more present father. I may be completely wrong about his involvement, but I really want to give him the benefit of doubt for his children's sake.
This whole thing will traumatize those children for the rest of their lives and I SO want for them to have something decent happen. I really hope the father is not involved.

 

[TTF14]

I was thinking that as well. Was the burial site prepared in advance? Further evidence of premeditation.

I know a cattle rancher who has a huge hole dug to dispose of trash. It's his second hole I believe, and it's getting full so he's going to soon dig a third. it's more like a huge pit. Picture the size of a basement foundation for a very large house. If he has an animal die (besides a house pet), that's where it goes. Old furniture, broken machinery, etc. Is this a "thing" among cattle ranchers? I have no idea since he's the only one I know. Just throwing it out there. It's possible, if they do have some kind of hole/pit like this, they were asked if they could use it.....or just helped themselves.

I have not read all posts so I'm not up with all the details, though! I could be way off.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Hopefully, we will learn more about the four arrested and charged later today. I, personally, want to give WR every benefit of innocence until more information is released. I realize he wasn't given a choice about attending rehab, but it is extremely important that he works on bettering himself while he is in there - to become a more responsible man and, as importantly, to become a more present father. I may be completely wrong about his involvement, but I really want to give him the benefit of doubt for his children's sake.
This whole thing will traumatize those children for the rest of their lives and I SO want for them to have something decent happen. I really hope the father is not involved.

Perhaps having TA removed from his life and lots and lots of therapy, with the passage of a lot of years (as I see it) perhaps WR and his children will be able to create loving relationships among themselves. What trauma and hurt each will have to attempt to overcome. How incredibly sad for each of them.

 

[303gmf]

I see both of the Twombly FB pages are now gone.

Looking at Cole’s right now

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I can’t help but think about what WR is thinking right now. IF, he was unaware of what his mother had been planning, it has got to be nearly unbearable being forced to stay in rehab with no communication with the outside world as all of this unfolds. Not saying I’m necessarily sympathetic toward him just interested in his mindset right now.

Oh I keep wondering as well... He must have been able to see the news of the missing women while in rehab...
Was he informed about WHERE his kids were ?
Did he care?

Some of us had speculated he was only in rehab to avoid jail time. And was that plan encouraged BY Tifany?



I do keep wondering if the courts will alter the required rehab for one reason or another.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Perhaps having TA removed from his life and lots and lots of therapy, with the passage of a lot of years (as I see it) perhaps WR and his children will be able to create loving relationships among themselves. What trauma and hurt each will have to attempt to overcome. How incredibly sad for each of them.

So far, it does seem difficult to find good strong role models in that family structure....
I so hope that there are some.
But who knows when and how WR might recover?

I guess I am hoping that these children are put with Veronica's family, not WR's.

 

[TheMom77]

Looking at Cole’s right now

Oh wow, when I click either link for those it just goes right to my main FB page.

 

[TheMom77]

Oh gosh sorry for the misinformation about their pages! I cannot open either one.

Editing to add: I found them by searching FB, no idea why the links from here don’t work for me.

 

[PommyMommy]

Authorities to give update after 4 charged with murder in missing Kansas women case​

The FBI, OSBI, OHP, and the Texas County Sheriff's Office will hold a a news conference at 10 a.m. CT. on Monday.

2 bodies found in search for missing Kansas women - KAKE
A news conference will be held at 10 a.m. Monday. Watch it here, on the KAKE News App or on the KAKE News Facebook page.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I am sympathetic toward him as he's been reared by TA. Growing up is tough with well-meaning parents. There are missteps by everyone - parent and child alike, but to be dominated by an overly proud, strutting "important"-in-the-community, accustomed-to-getting-her-own-way mother, who chooses at least one felon as a boyfriend . . . . This poor man has never had the first chance.

He has still grown up with privilege, and the court filings showing his behaviors to others, shows a callous mean individual. Cant blame mom for everything....

 

[imstilla.grandma]

So grateful the ladies’ bodies were found yesterday as today’s weather doesn’t look so good. The rain around all the dirt would add excess water to holes and pits possibly eliminating dna or evidence.

Monday is an Alert Day in Oklahoma as there's a risk for severe storms that could produce hail and tornadoes later tonight for most of the state.

Strong cap limited severe storms in Oklahoma on Monday night, Tuesday morning

Monday is an Alert Day in Oklahoma as rounds of severe storms could produce hail and tornadoes throughout the night and into Tuesday

www.koco.com