It's never been reported so I doubt they did. Pretty sure whoever dug up the stuff on Grice looked for all of them doing it. I don't think Grice's revocation of citizenship, nor what the other four thought about that had anything to do with why the victims were killed. It was like so many other custody disputes that end up in murder.
What I would find interesting if true- TA was a process server and served on some sort of local board. Cora and hubs had some sort of meat facilty right? They would have to be licensed in some fashion to do that. Point is, would it be wise to do that if you have to deal with local or even state government in areas related to your livelihood?
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Did Paul Grice's wife use the sovereign citizen idea too? I know she's distanced herself from him.
I don't think hormones is a legitimate defense. Better TA be evaluated mentally because there's something definitely wrong other than hormones. Ultimately, she may end up in a mental facility. And, let us not forget TA raised her son. Sure doesn't seem she did a very good job. Guesses are part of the reason he's the person he is today is because of her. Hopefully, after spending time with TA, the grandchildren can be de-programed. Did anyone know the real TA?
I don't know if I agree. I think hormone defense is a legitimate defense. I remember a case about 20 or so years ago. IIRC it was in TX, a woman drowned her kids in a bathtub and tried to use post partum as a defense. It did not work initially. I am sure there have been others who have tried hormone defense as well, but this one stands out in my head. Andrea Yates I believe her name was. However a few years later they overturned her conviction to not guilty by reason of insanity. I am sure there were other MH issues at play as well. However I doubt TAs hormones led to this conspiracy.
I would also add to this that a hormone crime would probably be spur of the moment and not premeditated like this crime.
That sounds logical and in most cases is probably right. I think where this went from fantasy to a plan was when the first person agreed with her that the mother needed to be removed. I can't comprehend the others agreeing to participate.
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It will be interesting to see if she testifies against him.Paul Grice, suspect in Kansas moms killings, can’t afford attorney
Paul Grice, 31, was arrested and charged in the kidnappings and murders of Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley.
Yes, his wife relocated with their children around the time of Grice's arrest. I believe they returned to Colorado. She has indicated she knew nothing about the Misfit's plans and was not involved in the murders, and indeed she is not named in any of the warrants or affidavits.
Given the weird questions Grice asked his friend about DNA buried in dirt and leaving for Mexico, I can't believe he didn't at least make suspicious statements to/in front of his wife after the murders. Even as someone completely uninvolved, you'd think she started replaying previous conversations & comments that might not have meant much at the time but in light of the murders suddenly did.
I think if I suddenly had reason to think my husband was involved with two murders and perhaps talked of fleeing to Mexico, I would get myself, the kids & the pets out of there pronto.
Tifany admitted "responsibility", too, but they all plead NG so they're gonna try to walk that back. None of them have ANY defense so what on earth will their defense atty's being arguing? Total lost cause, just like Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell. Exercise in futility.
Paul Grice, suspect in Kansas moms killings, can’t afford attorney
Paul Grice, 31, was arrested and charged in the kidnappings and murders of Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley.
Yes, his wife relocated with their children around the time of Grice's arrest. I believe they returned to Colorado. She has indicated she knew nothing about the Misfit's plans and was not involved in the murders, and indeed she is not named in any of the warrants or affidavits.
Given the weird questions Grice asked his friend about DNA buried in dirt and leaving for Mexico, I can't believe he didn't at least make suspicious statements to/in front of his wife after the murders. Even as someone completely uninvolved, you'd think she started replaying previous conversations & comments that might not have meant much at the time but in light of the murders suddenly did.
I think if I suddenly had reason to think my husband was involved with two murders and perhaps talked of fleeing to Mexico, I would get myself, the kids & the pets out of there pronto.
I sure as hell hope they were! Please, no errors.