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Is there any good solid timelines for these? Like missing date/found dates and locations?
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Shadows in the Rose City: A Series of Suspicious Deaths Raise Fears of a Potential Serial Killer in PortlandIs there any good solid timelines for these? Like missing date/found dates and locations?
I'm not familiar with the locations. I wasn't saying the dead end or other areas were better locations per say, just similar isolated locations. I just was looking at what was obvious on Google maps. I wonder who discovered each of these girls. It seems he didn't want them discovered quickly. I think he may have been more familiar with Js location because how else would he know its abandoned? There's a dead end road right next to that, I would think that's easier and more hidden than opening a gate, dragging someone from an out in the open area everyone can see as they pass by. There were other areas off the freeway before that area, too. Well, looking from i5. I haven't looked from 205. What made him turn left on that street vs going straight or turning on a different street? I'm sure there are other more isolated areas he passed. So...why there. I actually think if he wanted them being found taking the longest, an abandoned property would be better than a dead end.Moving a body that far is unusual, but I do think that’s what is happening. (And I am mostly referencing JS, CP and BW here, as those are the three to me that are almost definitely related).
Which makes a pretty weird dichotomy—clearly the killer is comfortable enough to move bodies long distances, but the actual dump sites, from what I can tell, are not all that concealed and honestly kind of lazy. Makes me wonder if the killer is smaller in stature and/or in somewhat poor health.
And to reference your previous post, what you noted about JS location I think is true of all three (and probably true of AR too): there were MUCH better dump sites close by in each of those areas, which suggests to me that he had only a basic familiarity with the locations.
There are cameras up and down the freeways. ...maybe not these rural areasOur killer wants to get out of the area ASAP. Not to be seen there. I wonder if there are any cameras in the area?
The police said it's still under investigation ie to be determine and they didn't think all 6 were related at this time which means A that may change andor B only 2, 3, 4, or 5 may be related andor C there may be 1-5 killers on the loose. So, who knows. It's all up in the air.So is there a serial killer or not? I'm confused. There were articles earlier in the thread that said PPB say they aren't connected while there are other articles saying police are looking to see if they're connected. Did I miss something? I did only skim this thread so I could just be an idiot. JMO
Did I miss where police stated the others causes of deaths?I think that out of the six JS was more personal. The viciousness,and brutality, is to me indicative of familiarity to her,and some level of comfort and trust on her part. Also for him to take the time and effort to travel across state lines, and take that big of a risk with her. (Where the others were left in Oregon). MOO
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Oh, I also read someone say truckers would travel 100s of miles from truck stops to leave bodies. Not ordinarily. The Fbi has a serial killer trucker task group where they have linked bodies found off the sides of interstates to serial killing truckers. I almost always consider truckers when it comes to these cases but based on where JS was found, I rule that out. It is surprising to me if someone drives 30+ minutes with a body I their car. Which leads me to wonder. What if these girls got in someone's car and went for a drive for whatever reason? I do think these women went missing from somewhere in Portland area; maybe a max stop, 82nd, milwaukie, downtown portland, or clackamas areas. I guess driving out 30+ minutes isn't outside of possibilities, I just thought of Gary ridgeway. Sidenote, I think JS looked taller and not petite. I don't think any of the girls really look alike.
I don’t need to look at a road map, I grew up in Portland. I lived in Seattle for several years too, I know the region well.Respectfully snipped.
Here is the problem. The SK might be in Portland, Klamath Falls, Vancouver, WA or totally elsewhere.
Here is the problem with Portland. It is an intersection of so many highways. Could be I-5, or, the traveller could take I-90 to Tri-Cities, drive down through Yakima to the border with Oregon then down to Portland via Interstate 84, or he could drive from Boise to Portland via 84, or go from Vavcouver south via I205.
Or the killer could be totally local. .
Portland has an unusual location, that's all. Just look at the road map. And while in Seattle, well, yes, there are many roads but move North, South or East, and you are still in a densely inhabited area, with Portland, it is different. This beautiful city is surrounded by forests, barns, wastelands or typical Oregon boonies. But the roads run through in in all directions. And lots of people camp in the area, too.
My feeling is, there is a SK who hunted in Portland in the end of 2022 - beginning of 2023, but it makes sense to look for the remains with similar COD in the large surrounding area. Maybe starting in Ogden, UT, or Boise, or Yakima reservation (the connection would be I-84), or around HWY 205, or I-5. It is possible that the killer lives in Portland and hunts in the area, or alternatively, he can easily get to the route that goes through Portland. We know that he preys on young women, as to the fact hinted at in the article, that they are into drug scene, there is your explanation how he lures them into the forests.
I agree with this. I think our killer is lazy. He doesn’t seem to conceal the bodies. Just dumps in areas that don’t have as much traffic.
If KS is linked, it sounds like at first he was dumping closer to where he picked them up. Maybe he got scared after and started driving them further out. When KS went missing there was a lot of attention. Facebook lit up and she was on the news. AR was reported missing and I had no idea until she was found.
I don’t need to look at a road map, I grew up in Portland. I lived in Seattle for several years too, I know the region well.
I will be straight up shocked if the killer currently lives anywhere besides the east side of Portland or its eastern burbs. But he may not be originally from there and definitely could be responsible for similar murders elsewhere.
I don’t know the specific dead end either, nor do I know Ridgefield well, I just know it gets real rural real fast if you venture just outside of it to the east or northeast. And it’s just my impression of the other locations that they are similar in that sense.I'm not familiar with the locations. I wasn't saying the dead end or other areas were better locations per say, just similar isolated locations. I just was looking at what was obvious on Google maps. I wonder who discovered each of these girls. It seems he didn't want them discovered quickly. I think he may have been more familiar with Js location because how else would he know it’s abandoned? There's a dead end road right next to that, I would think that's easier and more hidden than opening a gate, dragging someone from an out in the open area everyone can see as they pass by. There were other areas off the freeway before that area, too. Well, looking from i5. I haven't looked from 205. What made him turn left on that street vs going straight or turning on a different street? I'm sure there are other more isolated areas he passed. So...why there. I actually think if he wanted them being found taking the longest, an abandoned property would be better than a dead end.
I think he knows portland pretty well, but I don’t get the sense that he really knows the surrounding area.He should know the area, and statistically, SK don't live far from their victims, but I wonder if the habits are changing post-Covid. Or maybe they changed before.
Lindsey Baum, abducted in McLeary and dumped in Ellensburg, is one such case.
I have just noticed that all long-practicing serial killers have no obvious, or traceable, connection between them and their victims.
There's only 1 road to get to where she was left. Only 2 roads to that road.The girls didn't look alike. If I were to take the wildest guess, I'd think AR was his preferred type, while JS represented the archetype of the girls he kept feeling angry with, maybe starting in HS. Blunt trauma to head and neck? I wonder if she was taller than him, so he had to incapacitate her somehow (drugs) and attack from the back.
I also wonder if that barn had a few roads to get to it and he dumped her there planning to return if it was an abandoned place.
How would perp know that. ?I have another theory. Maybe, like other SK, he planned to return back, maybe even make his personal "site".
If the barn was abandoned and bought by a Colorado company, maybe as the site for potential project, but so far, just a parcel of land, and the perp was aware that here is a place with ownership but not in use, that might have looked like a promising dumping spot.
I think there are other exits that are also rural before where she was put, such as what is labeled lambert and Duluth and baker areas (not cities) on Google maps. I guess those have Ridgefield addresses. But again, why go farther and to a farther exit?I don’t know the specific dead end either, nor do I know Ridgefield well, I just know it gets real rural real fast if you venture just outside of it to the east or northeast. And it’s just my impression of the other locations that they are similar in that sense.
There’s actually not much in terms of rural areas directly accessible via exits off I5 or 205 before Ridgefield. I had to look it up to verify this, but it’s the first exit beyond the Vancouver area.
You make a great point on how he would have known about the abandoned property. That could be a big piece of the puzzle
My bad, you are totally right. I didn’t look closely enough and got thrown by the Ridgefield addresses.I think there are other exits that are also rural before where she was put, such as what is labeled lambert and Duluth and baker areas (not cities) on Google maps. I guess those have Ridgefield addresses. But again, why go farther and to a farther exit?