Oscar Pistorius - Sentencing - 6.13.2016

[Paul Connelly]

IRoux avoids all of that to focus on drama because he has a **** case.

Exactly! that was my point. Nel just did what he had to do. No theatrics, just solid law. Once I heard Roux's whiney rehash I knew he had nothing of substance. My only slight concern now is Masipa. She's a bloody loose cannon and I have no faith in her right to preside on a High Court Bench. However, as we've pointed out the SCA judgement has somewhat limited her options.

 

[Fuskier]

John Ray ‏@johnrayitv 15h15 hours ago

#OscarPistorius Court packed as ever for last session of hearing. Most here expect actual sentence on Friday

 

[cottonweaver]

Ok finally got some bloody bandwith

what is this?

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman 3m3 minutes ago

#OscarPistorius several of the legal team speaking to OP. Something doesn’t seem right. Much concern. BB

Any ideas. What's/was occurring
Sorry re all questions but .......I'm in the dark with no video

I hope he's not going to have a fainting fit or sthg

 

[mrjitty]

Might be wise for her to give him 15. My opinion only.

Be interesting to know the vibe in legal corridors.

She might be pissy and being close to retirement, decide to take a parting shot.

The SCA did of course throw her a bone, so maybe she will be an obedient little puppy and get back into line.

Of course no Judge loves being shredded by the Court of Appeal - let alone in a televised judgement!

 

[Interested Bystander]

I wonder if that's at Oscar's directive?

I think the family are on record (recently) as saying they are not expecting a prison sentence. I am unsure how they could contemplate that. I wonder if they have been told by Roux that is a possibility?

I am quite disgusted at the way OP has been paraded on his stumps in court. He is also drugged "to the eyeballs" and mostly seems not to be following the argument. Was this intentional for effect too? I don't doubt he is depressed, who wouldn't be, facing a long term in prison after murdering one's girlfriend but there is such fakery going on in an attempt to get him a very light sentence for a heinous crime. Very strange he did not see or seek to see a psychiatrist between October and the week before these proceedings if he had been showing signs of a severe mental disorder. It really does beggar belief.

 

[lithgow1]

Re the stumps issue, I agree that it was pretty out there but in some ways, though manipulative, it was clever IMO. I think part of why so many of us were disgusted by it is we believe that OP murdered her knowingly and that Roux must also know this and as such it is horribly cynical by Roux and probably nothing less than we would expect from OP.

However, I do have a 'however'! If for arguments sake Pistorius was telling the truth about that night then it would be valid I reckon. There is no denying that he is disabled and were he to be confronted by an armed intruder while on his stumps then he would be very vulnerable. But because we have seen video of him moving much more freely than he did in the courtroom and because we are convinced he has lied and lied and lied some more it is repugnant to us that they would pull such a stunt. I guess I am just doing a bit of lunch break devil's advocating to think of circumstances where it would not be a cheap stunt but since the only one would be if OP was telling the truth and he is not, then yes, it was all pretty off. At least it opened up an opportunity for Nel to fight fire with fire.

 

[Fuskier]

Jacaranda News ‏@JacaNews 15h15 hours ago

#OscarPistorius arrived back at court shortly before the rest of his family. Court just resumed.

 

[Fuskier]

Erin Bates Verified account ‏@ermbates 15h15 hours ago

Here are five things you need to know about the #OscarPistorius sentencing. WATCH: http://bit.ly/1YrtRQK @News24

 

[cottonweaver]

OO er IB.

Recently "not expecting a prison sentence". I Don't believe it.

They only get a whiff of the specific no. of years after the case closes
Remember last time, at post sent hearing party at Oscars - he already knew what he was getting that night. So said JCarlin

 

[JudgeJudi]

Thank you

I believe Viper is talking about parole not suspended sentence.

Parole is not actually relevant in sentencing tho' the Judge may specify a non parole period.

Okay. The sentencing post was from Sentencing Guidelines: South Africa

B. Limits to Sentencing Discretion

Scroll down to the second para. underneath para. 6

[url]http://www.loc.gov/law/help/sentencing-guidelines/southafrica.php#Introduction[/URL]


On the question of parole ...

"The parole board has a wide discretion to grant parole, although the law puts limits in the case of more serious offences.

Offenders sentenced to more than two years (but less than life) in prison must serve half their sentence before being eligible for parole”.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Os...frica-20140516

And the following from the SA Criminal Procedure Act, 1977

276B. Fixing of non-parole-period

(1)(a) If a court sentences a person convicted of an offence to imprisonment for a period of two years or longer, the court may as part of the sentence, fix a period during which the person shall not be placed on parole.

(1)(b) Such period shall be referred to as the non-parole-period, and may not exceed two thirds of the term of imprisonment imposed or 25 years, whichever is the shorter.

 

[Fuskier]

EWN Reporter ‏@ewnreporter 15h15 hours ago

#OscarPistorius court resumes. Nel continues with his closing argument. BB

Barry Bateman Verified account ‏@barrybateman 15h15 hours ago

#OscarPistorius court resumes. Nel continues with his closing argument. BB

Jacaranda News ‏@JacaNews 15h15 hours ago

#OscarPistorius Nel continues with his argument in aggravation.

 

[lithgow1]

Ok finally got some bloody bandwith

what is this?



Any ideas. What's/was occurring
Sorry re all questions but .......I'm in the dark with no video

I hope he's not going to have a fainting fit or sthg

Dunno what it was but don`t worry - it is old tweet and nothing happened.

 

[cottonweaver]

Re the stumps issue, I agree that it was pretty out there but in some ways, though manipulative, it was clever IMO. I think part of why so many of us were disgusted by it is we believe that OP murdered her knowingly and that Roux must also know this and as such it is horribly cynical by Roux and probably nothing less than we would expect from OP.

However, I do have a 'however'! If for arguments sake Pistorius was telling the truth about that night then it would be valid I reckon. There is no denying that he is disabled and were he to be confronted by an armed intruder while on his stumps then he would be very vulnerable. But because we have seen video of him moving much more freely than he did in the courtroom and because we are convinced he has lied and lied and lied some more it is repugnant to us that they would pull such a stunt. I guess I am just doing a bit of lunch break devil's advocating to think of circumstances where it would not be a cheap stunt but since the only one would be if OP was telling the truth and he is not, then yes, it was all pretty off. At least it opened up an opportunity for Nel to fight fire with fire.

BIB Definitely. They "opened the door" again. Now Pros can show the Reeva horror without feeling that it is totally undignified, approved by Barry,to wipe the undue empathy from Msipa's mind

 

[Fuskier]

Erin Bates Verified account ‏@ermbates 15h15 hours ago

#OscarPistorius court back in session, Nel begins arguing once more. Sentence the court could think of starting at is 15 years, he submits

Jacaranda News ‏@JacaNews 15h15 hours ago

#OscarPistorius Nel again says there is no clean slate, we have to start at 15 years when it comes to sentencing for murder.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Hahaha, Nel wants a sentence higher than 15 years to take account of reductions, i.e. not 15 years less any reductions.

This is priceless.

 

[JudgeJudi]

THIS is why OP was stockpiling his meds.

 

[sleuth-d-]

http://www.nwu.ac.za/sites/www.nwu....epages/2011volume14no5/MujuziDOC2011(14)5.pdf

take your pick...

Under section 73(6)(a) determinate sentence... 50%

Under section 73(6)(v)
, an offender sentenced in terms of the Criminal Law
Amendment Act, which provides for minimum sentences for stipulated offences:
may not be placed on parole unless he or she has served at least four
fifths of the term of imprisonment imposed or 25 years, whichever is the
shorter, but the court, when imposing imprisonment, may order that the
prisoner be considered for placement on parole after he or she has
served two thirds of such term.

 

[Interested Bystander]

I agree JJ. It would do him no good whatsoever. There are various stages of grief to go through and he is still at the blame stage. Unfortunately, he wants to blame himself as a father who failed to protect his daughter. That's why he wants to stick needles into his abdomen to feel what she felt. He wants to take that pain and endure what she did and soak it up like a sponge. Similarly, he wants to see the graphic images to help him feel what she felt. We know that it won't help him of course, he needs to move on to the other stage of grieving which is acceptance. To do this he needs to understand why and how she was killed and Roux won't allow him this salve to help him heal. Roux is compounding the man's distress and you right he is all of those things and more. He has no integrity and he is cynically torturing the innocent. He has gone way beyond the bounds of his duty to give his client a fair trial. He's crossed the rubicon and entered the abyss. He more than anyone will know Pistorius is guilty and yet he still persecutes the fragile, vulnerable and innocent Steenkamps. The man is beyond belief.

BiB

Thank you for that. I have long believed that Roux must know he is guilty and have posted that many times. Whilst OP needs a good Defence Lawyer and it is right, Roux, as you say, has crossed the rubicon and entered the abyss.

I also happen to think the family knows he is guilty. The "overkill" attendance at the trial speaks for itself IMO. I would expect there always to be a few to support him but at times there seemed to be a benchful of tearful, sobbing, sad relatives putting on a display (displaying in public must be in the genes TIC).

 

[Trooper]

whoa... Nel is hinting at showing the death photo's in court.........

 

[JudgeJudi]

Nel is shutting all the gates and Masipa will need to be very careful. She needs to heed what every word Nel is saying. The SCA would love to read this transcript should the NPA appeal.