PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #4

[Betty P]

Along with Director Cheatle, Secretary Mayorkas and Director Christopher Wray were invited to testify at a hearing today. One was not available and the other declined.

In addition to the July 13 information request, Chairman Green invited Secretary Mayorkas, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director Christopher Wray, and Director Cheatle to testify publicly on Tuesday, July 23, in a hearing to examine the facts and circumstances surrounding the assassination attempt against former President Trump. The FBI told the Committee they could not make Director Wray available for the hearing. DHS declined for Secretary Mayorkas to testify, and the invitation to Director Cheatle remains outstanding.

Chairman Green Subpoenas DHS Secretary Mayorkas for Documents Regarding Attempted Assassination of Former President Trump – Committee on Homeland Security

homeland.house.gov

Interesting. The men don't have to show up. They expect Director Cheatle to take the fall for all of them.

Very unprofessional. They should move Secret Service back to the Treasury Dept.

 

[layer]

something a little more complex than kicking the director on her way out the door has to happen.

100%
The reason the driector is getting kicked on the way out is that she stated that she had answers and refused to give them and gave no reason why she couldn't. This frustrated everyone and made allies out of everyone from AOC to Nancy Mace.

 

[Betty P]

100%
The reason the driector is getting kicked on the way out is that she stated that she had answers and refused to give them and gave no reason why she couldn't. This frustrated everyone and made allies out of everyone from AOC to Nancy Mace.

Link?

 

[layer]

Link?

What are you requesting a link to, the hearing? The list of Democrats that publicly called for Dir. Cheatle to resign?

 

[Ruminations]

Interesting. The men don't have to show up. They expect Director Cheatle to take the fall for all of them.

Very unprofessional. They should move Secret Service back to the Treasury Dept.

FWIW, I interpreted her showing up as being part of her job, and also her being the fall guy.

There is no winning answering questions. And most questions can't be answered because it interferes with the crime investigation by the FBI, gives up security secrets, or interferes with HR actions.

More could be learned in closed session. And it would get the twitter representatives on task.

I hope really more is being learned and being done than replacing the director. But I do think that her being replaced is kinda normal for this kind of appointment.

MOO

 

[JennieM]

Why are we even talking about the SS director being a woman ? ? ?

 

[Arkay]

Nobody said anything about there being any kind of "if" about human rights applying to all genders.

Nobody said anything about the director having any options to dodge responsibility because of her gender of for any reason.

The reality is, there is no reason to think that her resignation is a change that will address the failures on the day of the assassination attempt and the murder.

Expecting real change after a crisis is not even a tiny bit like asking to be treated differently because one is female.

MOO

I have the utmost respect for everyone’s opinions, but I believe you’ve misconstrued my meaning.

Indeed several posters have pondered whether Cheatle was being forced to resign due to misogyny and that if she weren’t a woman things would be different.
However, my focal point was that the boss is responsible whether or not he or she was on the premises at the time, which some posters have alluded to as unfair to her.

I maintain that if the boss has clearly laid out policies and procedures, then he or she bears the ultimate responsibility when things go haywire. Also, IMO, she was unable to answer even the most basic or innocuous questions satisfactorily.

That’s all and agree to disagree.

 

[SouthAussie]

Interesting. The men don't have to show up. They expect Director Cheatle to take the fall for all of them.

Very unprofessional. They should move Secret Service back to the Treasury Dept.

The now Acting Director of the SS (Ronald Rowe) is the person who was responsible for the daily investigative and protective operations at the time of this incident.

He probably is the person who should have been questioned, seeing that was his direct area of responsibility. In order to get full disclosure, if that was the goal.


Ronald Rowe Jr., the Secret Service deputy director, was tapped Tuesday as the acting director of the embattled agency. ... Secret Service deputy director to lead agency after Kimberly Cheatle resigns

In this role, Mr. Rowe was responsible for the direct oversight of the agency’s daily investigative and protective operations

Ronald L. Rowe, Jr.

Effective July 23, 2024, Ronald L. Rowe, Jr. serves as the Acting Director of the Secret Service.

www.secretservice.gov

 

[Betty P]

The now Acting Director of the SS (Ronald Rowe) is the person who was responsible for the daily investigative and protective operations at the time of this incident.

He probably is the person who should have been questioned, seeing that was his direct area of responsibility. In order to get full disclosure, if that was the goal.

Ronald L. Rowe, Jr.

Effective July 23, 2024, Ronald L. Rowe, Jr. serves as the Acting Director of the Secret Service.

www.secretservice.gov

I suppose they'll be asking for his resignation, too?

 

[Simply Southern]

I watched the entire meeting, there is also a transcript.

The SS NEVER had a group meeting. They met with the PSP 7/8 and reviewed the sight. PSP mentions coverage for these buildings, a group of red buildings and the water tower. They were told local LE was responsible.

The PSP had a "contract" w/SS for the motorcade ( and led by Pittsburgh PD) and two entry points and placing 2 PSP cars near the entrance. They were paid. A total of 32 PSP.

LE consist of several small agencies. We do not know the terms of their "contact", other than outside perimeter.

PSP did a final walk thru w/SS 7/11 and the site was left unsecured. Volunteers (60) decorated the stage the night before, invented, unsupervised.

SS and PSP had a control room for communication.
This is where everything gets really dicey. None of the agencies could communicate with each other, everything had to go through the control center.

When the text photos of the suspect, with a range finder and bike, PSP was given another number to forward to, 45 min before Trump took the stage. No one knows who the number belong to.

The committee referred and read an act by Congress after 911 to create a National system. They even funded it. (didn't catch the name of the ACT).
Moo
More to come..

 

[Elley Mae]

What are you requesting a link to, the hearing? The list of Democrats that publicly called for Dir. Cheatle to resign?

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Being from Md and not a fan of raskin he was not at all happy with what happened or her responses.

All of them there dems & reps were not one happy with her.

Jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

I watched the entire meeting, there is also a transcript.

The SS NEVER had a group meeting. They met with the PSP 7/8 and reviewed the sight. PSP mentions coverage for these buildings, a group of red buildings and the water tower. They were told local LE was responsible.

The PSP had a "contract" w/SS for the motorcade ( and led by Pittsburgh PD) and two entry points and placing 2 PSP cars near the entrance. They were paid. A total of 32 PSP.

LE consist of several small agencies. We do not know the terms of their "contact", other than outside perimeter.

PSP did a final walk thru w/SS 7/11 and the site was left unsecured. Volunteers (60) decorated the stage the night before, invented, unsupervised.

SS and PSP had a control room for communication.
This is where everything gets really dicey. None of the agencies could communicate with each other, everything had to go through the control center.

When the text photos of the suspect, with a range finder and bike, PSP was given another number to forward to, 45 min before Trump took the stage. No one knows who the number belong to.

The committee referred and read an act by Congress after 911 to create a National system. They even funded it. (didn't catch the name of the ACT).
Moo
More to come..

Surety not the guy on the roof in the grey suit.

 

[Simply Southern]

Snipped by me...

This is where Cheatle could get in trouble, MOO. I don't think she's responsible for the mistakes of the agents (and local <modnote - LE) but if it was discovered that her agency supplied fewer resources to Trump than to another candidate (excluding Biden), the optic would be very bad. MOO

There should never be a shortage of those resources because the SS has specific duties and they should be equipped to handle them. All of them.

Moo....
I think SS dumped on the local LE team. They designated a very large area with multiple buildings for local LE to cover. They had limited staff, they are small depts with no experience/training in protecting a former president, as stated by the PSP director.

I can't remember which representative stated, he was a sniper and the in a perimeter should have been expanded.

SS had two large events they covered the same day. One with Harris and one with Jill. Biden. Trump was given 3 extra SS for 10s of thousands in an open area. Jill was given 12 for an indoor very secure casino ballroom with 400 people.

I'd say they definitely shorted this event.

NO ONE had the site plan but the SS and they have not released.

Moo

 

[Betty P]

When I was young, my dad was the big boss in a federal agency, at one particular location that was open 24 hours. He had about 1000 people under him.

On occasion he’d go there in the middle of the night to check on the night shift.

One day he was called in by the head of the agency because there was an attempted robbery at night. My father had been at home, asleep, when that happened, yet as the head guy of that particular building he had to answer for whatever went wrong that night.

It comes with the territory. If you are the boss then you are responsible for procedures in place, whether you are present during an incident or not. Male or female is irrelevant.

My father didn’t get fired, no one was injured and the robbery was foiled, but he was considered partially responsible.

He’s nearly 92 now and that still weighs on him, one night in a 57 year career.

IMO, if we as women demand equal rights and equal pay and equal opportunities, we also bear equal responsibility when the buck stops with us.

JMO and JME

But he didn't face a virtual lynching on tv and he wasn't forced to resign. The captain going down with the ship style isn't in favor as much anymore. Some people are just untouchable.

 

[Betty P]

What are you requesting a link to, the hearing? The list of Democrats that publicly called for Dir. Cheatle to resign?

A link to a source saying she had information that could have given them but refused. I don't recall that.

Any member of Congress knows that in a public hearing, heads of agencies are not required to provide sensitive information.

If the committee wanted security sensitive or investigation information from her, they could have called a closed door hearing for a briefing. That's standard practice. Instead, they grilled her for answers they knew she couldn't provide in public.

I have zero respect for those committee members who played that game.

 

[Arkay]

But he didn't face a virtual lynching on tv and he wasn't forced to resign. The captain going down with the ship style isn't in favor as much anymore. Some people are just untouchable.

You are absolutely correct.

My father was not publicly grilled on TV by Congress. Yes. True.
Of course he was not involved in a near-assassination of a former and perhaps future president.

Whether or not it is au courant to go down with the ship these days, I couldn’t tell you, but as I said he’s nearly 92 now and this was decades ago.

My point is not my dad—-my point is in general, bosses set policy and procedures. When something dire happens, those policies and procedures are re-examined.

A U.S. president does not illegally cross the Southern border into America, for example, but his or her policies about the border become questions to ask the boss.

Cheatle failed spectacularly in answering the questions asked of her by bipartisan members of Congress. That was failure upon failure. Ergo, she resigned.

IMO, and done with this now.

 

[photoprose1122]

I’m certain a full investigation will play out regardless of her resignation. I personally don’t think her gender matters - they would have still demanded her resignation if she were a man. The main concern is still the lapse in security planning and execution, and we’ll hopefully get more answers in the coming weeks. MOO.

 

[photoprose1122]

Interesting. The men don't have to show up. They expect Director Cheatle to take the fall for all of them.

Very unprofessional. They should move Secret Service back to the Treasury Dept.

We seem to be getting into gender politics here… I understand your frustration but I really don’t feel like her resignation has anything to do with being a woman. She’s the head, and when the body fails, the head is usually liable for the body’s actions. MOO.

 

[JennieM]

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Secret Service advises Trump not to hold large outdoor rallies – report

The Washington Post is reporting that the Secret Service has “encouraged” Trump to stop holding large outdoor rallies or other large events outdoors.

Citing unnamed people familiar with the matter, the Washington Post said: “For upcoming events, Trump’s team is scouting indoor venues, such as basketball arenas and other large spaces where thousands of people can fit, people familiar with the request said. The campaign is not currently planning any large outdoor events, a person close to Trump said.”

US election live: Secret Service reportedly advises Trump against large outdoor rallies

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www.theguardian.com

 

[shotgun09]

Sadly, I believe that this investigation will stall, in the FBI land of confusion. Similar to JFK and the cocaine bag found in the white house, we will get nothing further. The shooter has been eliminated, Cheatle has resigned due to the failures of the SS that were obvious. The Congress peeps will continue to bloviate, but nothing of any substance will be forthcoming.

Wray is reportedly coming to the Hill tomorrow, for another fabulous show of Congress. NOTHING will be revealed. IMO