PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #4

[layer]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/08/03/trump-rally-police-radio-transmissions/

Gah, paywall.

 

[byo]

Gah, paywall.

Looks like it's been archived, though.

‘We lost sight of him’: Radio traffic shows failed search for Trump rally shooter

 

[fred&edna]

Gah, paywall.

I can read it (hmm... likely a fluke). I'll share some here:

The Post examination also shows that communication between the Secret Service and the local police was disjointed and time-consuming, helping to explain why Secret Service agents closest to Trump were taken by surprise when gunfire erupted. On two occasions, a local officer inside the Butler County command post had to relay information about Crooks to the Secret Service hub by cellphone — on a day when cell service was balky and unreliable.

That method was too slow when seconds counted. A local police officer spotted Crooks on a rooftop with a gun and radioed in to the local command center that he was “armed” approximately 30 seconds before the shooting, according to the transcript of the radio communications and Secret Service officials, but that message was not passed on to the Secret Service command post before Crooks started shooting, the agency has acknowledged.

Patrick Young, commander of the Beaver County Emergency Services Unit, which supplied local officers to secure the rally, said that it’s important that law enforcement agencies share one command post where information can be received and transmitted quickly.

“All the key stakeholders should be in the same room,” Young said in an interview. “That alleviates any communications problems.”

 

[layer]

After trying to lay blame on local LE and looking ahead at what they have to cover at events and rallies i think they knew they had to take the heat for their mistakes because too many ppl had the video evidence and ppl that spoke out about what they saw.

You're suggesting they had to come clean because there is too much cellphone footage to keep stonewalling and lying. Except they haven't really come clean, IMHO.

Local LE at the future events that SS has to cover may not want to work with them if this is the way SS operates.

This is the way SS operates.
I don't think local LE can opt out of an event occurring in their jurisdiction, with the people they are sworn to serve and protect at risk - just sitting ducks. This needs to be fixed, now. I promise you that some very bad people took notice of how easy it was to get rounds within milimeters of all out chaos.

 

[fred&edna]

And, from the WaPo article linked above:

A Pennsylvania State Police spokesman stressed that state troopers were acting in a supporting role and referred questions to the Secret Service.
At a news conference Friday, acting Secret Service director Ronald Rowe Jr. acknowledged that there were separate communications hubs that did not effectively share information in vital moments. “There might have been radio traffic that we missed. We have to be better on that,” he said.

 

[Sundog]

I can read it (hmm... likely a fluke). I'll share some here:

The Post examination also shows that communication between the Secret Service and the local police was disjointed and time-consuming, helping to explain why Secret Service agents closest to Trump were taken by surprise when gunfire erupted. On two occasions, a local officer inside the Butler County command post had to relay information about Crooks to the Secret Service hub by cellphone — on a day when cell service was balky and unreliable.

That method was too slow when seconds counted. A local police officer spotted Crooks on a rooftop with a gun and radioed in to the local command center that he was “armed” approximately 30 seconds before the shooting, according to the transcript of the radio communications and Secret Service officials, but that message was not passed on to the Secret Service command post before Crooks started shooting, the agency has acknowledged.

Patrick Young, commander of the Beaver County Emergency Services Unit, which supplied local officers to secure the rally, said that it’s important that law enforcement agencies share one command post where information can be received and transmitted quickly.

“All the key stakeholders should be in the same room,” Young said in an interview. “That alleviates any communications problems.”

<Snipped for focus>

... it’s important that law enforcement agencies share one command post where information can be received and transmitted quickly.

So there was no unified command post. And no one commander of a unified command post.

 

[Sundog]

Trump shooter autopsy reveals cause of death after attempted assassination

Butler County Coroner William Young released a one-page autopsy summary of the man who attempted to kill former President Donald Trump.

www.usatoday.com

Butler County declined a request from the USA TODAY Network for a full copy of the autopsy results, citing the state’s record law that specifically exempts it. It is unknown whether officials tested Crooks for chemicals or medications as is standard in autopsy examinations.

 

[Elley Mae]

As someone who is multigenerational local LE I was extremely offended by that. You can't put it on local LE to defend against a Iranian assassination plot to kill a current or former President. That's just so far out of scope and training, that regardless of how good local LE is at being local LE you can't put that on their shoulders.

They on one hand told local LE to deal with that section, but on the other hand they threw local LE under the bus for dealing with that section. I'm specifically referring to the sniper briefly leaving their position - while it was still occupied by another sniper - because the Suspicious Person wasn't being tracked and other local LE in that section hadn't seen that person, so the one who spotted him tried to find him to re-acquire the Suspicious Person. The local LE were trying to protect the section and it's not like the USSS said they'd dispatch an agent there, which they apparently distinctly wouldn't send an agent to investigate in that section. Local LE dealt with the situation as they saw fit since the USSS wouldn't deal with, so the USSS has no business criticizing local LE for trying to proactively deal with the situation that USSS forced them to deal with alone.

Not blaming local LE at all, it’s all on SS as far as I am concerned. Father was cop 32 years. Its SS who should have had the agr building. Period

I didn’t like cheatle or rowe (at the hearing) trying to shuffle blame on them.

It’s my opinion that rowe, rojek and who ever made the decision on the site plan should go as well.

Thats just me, I’m a hard azz.

 

[layer]

It’s my opinion that rowe, rojek and who ever made the decision on the site plan should go as well.

Keeping everyone in place inspires confidence and ensures continuity... for everyone making nefarious plans right now.
Ugh
I would add to your list whoever came up with that plan, and I'd prefer to see that person testify under oath on capital hill. I would also like to know who made the decision to allow the president to go onstage more than 10 minutes after SS snipers spotted Crooks on the roof without knowing whether or not that situation was even resolved (obviously it wasn't).
I’m a hard azz too.

 

[Maumau1616]

After trying to lay blame on local LE and looking ahead at what they have to cover at events and rallies i think they knew they had to take the heat for their mistakes because too many ppl had the video evidence and ppl that spoke out about what they saw.

Local LE at the future events that SS has to cover may not want to work with them if this is the way SS operates.

Agreed. Plus, like any project, while there may be people/a group (LE) responsible for something, the project lead (SS) is accountable. Playing the blame game just makes them look bad.

MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

Heading off another would-be assassinator?


The Metropolitan Police Department said it arrested a Texas woman who traveled to Washington, DC, for allegedly making threats against former President Donald Trump and carrying a gun without a license.
Police were first alerted to [the] woman Friday afternoon by the US Secret Service, according to a police report obtained by CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/02/politics/texas-woman-arrested-trump-threats/index.html

 

[Friday Fan]

You know this isn't rocket science. If you are going to create an emergency network system you test it. You go through a real time test, incorporating a staged emergency and have all your response team treat it as real.

I worked for a ministry in Canada that had a section called the Emergency Measures response. They used to sit around spit balling all sorts of catastrophic situations where you'd have mass casualties. Everything from plane crashes in densely populated areas, train derailments with noxious substances, natural disasters like floods, etc. They hired volunteers to act as victims who display injuries similar to those in plane crashes, etc and have EMT's treat the 'patients' to gauge how quickly they respond.

It tests everything from a standby situation to actual implementation. It is the reason why, back in 1979 Mississauga, a suburb of Toronto, experienced an actual train derailment where the train was carrying hazardous chemicals that caught fire. A coordinated effort of several police forces evacuated over 200,000 citizens without any injuries or deaths. It was called the Mississauga Miracle.

I remembered with disbelief how the response for the victims of Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico was a shambles because all the prep work ever done for emergency responses to catastrophic damage created by hurricanes had only ever focused on the contiguous United States.

Uvalde is rural. They never anticipated a school shooting. It's in the rural radio zone where they consider outdoor threats more important.

Iirc there were immediate suspensions while the investigation was ongoing.

I can't find the link cuz I'm on my phone. Each radio channel includes multiple counties. Uvalde was in an emergency channel/region that was designed for border threats. (Hence long range, outdoor) It was in old BW document with drawings etc.
I won't have computer access for a week, so this issue will have died down by then.
In order to obtain radio access, they had to leave the rebuilding. No one from DPS (who designed the program) resigned in the wake of Uvalde. Only locals resigned.

 

[Tricia]

Hey Everyone.
This thread is closing for the night and will reopen in the morning.
Take care
Tricia

 

[Knitty]

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